Interesting Romo stat I ran across

[RoboQB]

Romo carried the team for years. Anyone paying attention knew that. And not just the defense, but the offense too. For a few years, every play was hike the ball, avoid the jail break, throw the ball.

Sad for Romo and Cowboy fans that he broke down just at the height of his skill. Said that midway through 2013 he felt the game just slowed down for him. In 2014, he has an MVP season. Then breaks in 2015. And *again* in preseason against Seattle. Noooooooo! What's an old man doing scrambling in a preseason game?

I'm not complaining about Dak's performance in 2016, but I would have let Romo come back in 2016. The possibility of MVP level play is not something to pass up.

Almost Antonio.

Not that Romo has a tragic life. Now he's just the top paid NFL announcer. And rightly so. Gets to play a game and watch a game all his life for millions. Good for Tony.

I agree with your entire post.
Especially the end. It's cool that he landed on his feet in a big way.

 

[TwentyOne]

On BBI they have a thread for wins by a QB with a defense that was 16th or worse in points allowed from 1970 to 2016. It was from Reddit.

Romo has 42 such wins putting him 8th on the list.

The seven QBs ahead of him played more games and had more opportunities for wins, but it still is very impressive.

The best part is looking further down the list. Joe Montana had only 5 such games. Troy Aikman and Roethlisberger 11, Steve Young 16, and the GOAT Tom Brady 20.

There's others on the list, but you can clearly see who played with good defenses and who didn't.

Peyton Manning had the most, 102 wins of this kind. When looking at best ever, this would be a great stat for Peyton.

Eli Manning was third with 73 wins and the reason the thread was started.

P.S. since 2016 the Dallas defense has been better than 16th in points allowed every year(5th, 13th, 6th and 11th), so if you're interested, Prescott has no such wins.

1 botched FG hold.

 

[Flamma]

On BBI they have a thread for wins by a QB with a defense that was 16th or worse in points allowed from 1970 to 2016. It was from Reddit.

Romo has 42 such wins putting him 8th on the list.

The seven QBs ahead of him played more games and had more opportunities for wins, but it still is very impressive.

The best part is looking further down the list. Joe Montana had only 5 such games. Troy Aikman and Roethlisberger 11, Steve Young 16, and the GOAT Tom Brady 20.

There's others on the list, but you can clearly see who played with good defenses and who didn't.

Peyton Manning had the most, 102 wins of this kind. When looking at best ever, this would be a great stat for Peyton.

Eli Manning was third with 73 wins and the reason the thread was started.

P.S. since 2016 the Dallas defense has been better than 16th in points allowed every year(5th, 13th, 6th and 11th), so if you're interested, Prescott has no such wins.

Interesting statistic. I think it works in giving an overall picture, but like with any statistic, it can sometimes be misleading. Take the 2007 Giants for example. I know they had some early season injuries on the defense, but come playoff time that defense was playing at an elite level yet statistically they are below 16th in points allowed. Making it appear that Eli won a SB with a sub par defense.

The 2016 Cowboys. That was not a good defense. They were hidden by a potent ball control offense. That D was every bit as bad as the 2014 team who BTW also came in at better than 16th for the exact same reason.

 

[12+88=7]

No one should be surprised Romo led the team to so many wins (42) due to playing beside such an average-or-worse defense (16th ranked-or-worse). Romo was very talented and the owner of most Cowboys franchise QB passing records for that reason. Of course, Dak would have no (0) wins to such a feat due to his defenses not being ranked so average-or-worse (5th, 13th, 6th and 11th) every year, but it doesn't mean he hasn't led or carried the team to wins. There is a reason why Dak has led the team to 8 comeback wins and 14 game-winning drives in only his 4 years in the league and is on pace to break Romo's franchise career record leading stats for both categories (24 comebacks and 29 game-winning drives all accomplished during 13 seasons as a Cowboy).

As for Troy only having 11 career wins with a defense ranked 16th or worse during his 12 year career as a Cowboy is because he was blessed to be surrounded with so much talent throughout his career, hence the 3 SB wins. Interesting since Troy only accomplished 15 comebacks and 20 game-winning drives throughout his 12 year career which included 16 playoff games (unlike Romo who had 6 playoff games (with only 1 win) and Dak so far with 1 playoff win in 3 playoff games). One can argue that being surrounded by such high talent for so many years (12) helped Troy accumulate so many career wins, yet Troy never passed for 3,500 yards or more than 23 TDs in a season while finishing with a completions average of 61.5 %, numbers much lesser than Romo (65.3 career completions %) or Dak (65.8 career completions % so far). So much for the Mr. "You either have accuracy or you don't as a pro" QB talker. One would think Troy's career completions % average would have been higher due to being surrounded with so much talent? Oh well...

This also explains why Romo ranks third in "same franchise" quarterback wins in Cowboys history with 78, trailing Troy Aikman (94) and Roger Staubach (85). One would have thought Romo would have been the leader in franchise career wins since he played for more years (13) than Troy (12) and Staubach (11) ever did, considering Romo pretty much owns just about every other franchise QB leading stat. Proves that any QB who plays for the Cowboys needs to be surrounded with very good talent every year to have the opportunity to win so many games. No QB can do it all by himself.

You're looking at seasons played when you should be looking at games started.

Aikman 165, Romo 127, Staubach 114.

Both Romo and Staubach would easily pass Aikman if they had started the same amount of games.

While looking this up I noticed that Prescott with 64 starts in 4 years has half the starts Romo had in 13.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You're looking at seasons played when you should be looking at games started.

Aikman 165, Romo 127, Staubach 114.

Both Romo and Staubach would easily pass Aikman if they had started the same amount of games.

While looking this up I noticed that Prescott with 64 starts in 4 years has half the starts Romo had in 13.

All true. So what does this tell you? Dak is a combination of Romo, Staubach and Aikman.

Dak is the real deal. We're lucky to have him.

 

[jwitten82]

All true. So what does this tell you? Dak is a combination of Romo, Staubach and Aikman.

Dak is the real deal. We're lucky to have him.

Wth? Lmao, Damn ur delusional

 

[Aviano90]

Interesting statistic. I think it works in giving an overall picture, but like with any statistic, it can sometimes be misleading. Take the 2007 Giants for example. I know they had some early season injuries on the defense, but come playoff time that defense was playing at an elite level yet statistically they are below 16th in points allowed. Making it appear that Eli won a SB with a sub par defense.

The 2016 Cowboys. That was not a good defense. They were hidden by a potent ball control offense. That D was every bit as bad as the 2014 team who BTW also came in at better than 16th for the exact same reason.

Just another stat to say “oh, look, Romo never had a chance”.

We all know the defenses Romo had were typically bottom half of league. But, if you’re going to win in this league you have to win elimination games. Whether you have the best or worst defense or offense in the league, the fate of your season hinges on what occurs during those 60 minutes. Bringing up the Giants 2007 defense is a great example. Their defense was poor overall but played well in the post season

If you look at the Cowboys performance in elimination games, what you will typically find is that the defense outperformed their season average and the average of their opponents while the offense typically underperformed the season averages.

Our offense had 9 elimination games played with Romo as starting QB and we were 2-7 in those games. Our offense averaged 17.1 points per game in those games, scoring over 21 points only twice (both wins). To put that into perspective, that is slightly better than our offense averaged in 2015 when Romo was injured.

Regardless of our team’s regular season defensive performances, our top 10 offense rarely played up to snuff when the season was on the line. On 5 different occasions, they had the ball late in the 4th quarter with an opportunity to take the lead and succeeded only once against Detroit in 2014.

This is why these regular season stats propping Romo up against all odds are virtually meaningless. The team still had opportunities to extend seasons that weren’t taken advantage of more often than not and it wasn’t just poor defensive play in those games that were to blame. It’s not like the offense was scoring 30+ points per game and just falling short because the defense sucked.

 

[Qcard]

On BBI they have a thread for wins by a QB with a defense that was 16th or worse in points allowed from 1970 to 2016. It was from Reddit.

Romo has 42 such wins putting him 8th on the list.

The seven QBs ahead of him played more games and had more opportunities for wins, but it still is very impressive.

The best part is looking further down the list. Joe Montana had only 5 such games. Troy Aikman and Roethlisberger 11, Steve Young 16, and the GOAT Tom Brady 20.

There's others on the list, but you can clearly see who played with good defenses and who didn't.

Peyton Manning had the most, 102 wins of this kind. When looking at best ever, this would be a great stat for Peyton.

Eli Manning was third with 73 wins and the reason the thread was started.

P.S. since 2016 the Dallas defense has been better than 16th in points allowed every year(5th, 13th, 6th and 11th), so if you're interested, Prescott has no such wins.

Eehhh feel good stats...

 

[Qcard]

Romo had Parcells, Wade and Garrett

Dak had Garrett has McCarthy

Romo 06 Fumbled Snap Seattle
Romo 07 R.W. McQuarters End Zone pick
Romo 08 1 Playoff Win 104.9 Rating Eagles
Romo 08 Vikings 3 Fumbles Pick Sacked 6x


These are the stats that matter.

Romo will get Ring Of Honor and a place in history for building new Stadium.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Wth? Lmao, Damn ur delusional

Mike McCarthy sees IT. Michael Vick sees IT. Bill Belichick sees IT. Jerry Jones sees IT. They all see IT in Dak. Dak has traits that all 3 of our previous QBs possessed.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Just another stat to say “oh, look, Romo never had a chance”.

We all know the defenses Romo had were typically bottom half of league. But, if you’re going to win in this league you have to win elimination games. Whether you have the best or worst defense or offense in the league, the fate of your season hinges on what occurs during those 60 minutes. Bringing up the Giants 2007 defense is a great example. Their defense was poor overall but played well in the post season

If you look at the Cowboys performance in elimination games, what you will typically find is that the defense outperformed their season average and the average of their opponents while the offense typically underperformed the season averages.

Our offense had 9 elimination games played with Romo as starting QB and we were 2-7 in those games. Our offense averaged 17.1 points per game in those games, scoring over 21 points only twice (both wins). To put that into perspective, that is slightly better than our offense averaged in 2015 when Romo was injured.

Regardless of our team’s regular season defensive performances, our top 10 offense rarely played up to snuff when the season was on the line. On 5 different occasions, they had the ball late in the 4th quarter with an opportunity to take the lead and succeeded only once against Detroit in 2014.

This is why these regular season stats propping Romo up against all odds are virtually meaningless. The team still had opportunities to extend seasons that weren’t taken advantage of more often than not and it wasn’t just poor defensive play in those games that were to blame. It’s not like the offense was scoring 30+ points per game and just falling short because the defense sucked.

BOOM!!!! Nailed it!

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

most misunderstood and under appreciated cowboy ever. miss you tony!!!

My feelings exactly, he will always be one of my favorite Cowboys along with Woodson, Randy White, Walt Garrison and Jethro Pugh.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Best Dallas QB I've seen play

Me too.

 

[Flamma]

Just another stat to say “oh, look, Romo never had a chance”.

We all know the defenses Romo had were typically bottom half of league. But, if you’re going to win in this league you have to win elimination games. Whether you have the best or worst defense or offense in the league, the fate of your season hinges on what occurs during those 60 minutes. Bringing up the Giants 2007 defense is a great example. Their defense was poor overall but played well in the post season

If you look at the Cowboys performance in elimination games, what you will typically find is that the defense outperformed their season average and the average of their opponents while the offense typically underperformed the season averages.

Our offense had 9 elimination games played with Romo as starting QB and we were 2-7 in those games. Our offense averaged 17.1 points per game in those games, scoring over 21 points only twice (both wins). To put that into perspective, that is slightly better than our offense averaged in 2015 when Romo was injured.

Regardless of our team’s regular season defensive performances, our top 10 offense rarely played up to snuff when the season was on the line. On 5 different occasions, they had the ball late in the 4th quarter with an opportunity to take the lead and succeeded only once against Detroit in 2014.

This is why these regular season stats propping Romo up against all odds are virtually meaningless. The team still had opportunities to extend seasons that weren’t taken advantage of more often than not and it wasn’t just poor defensive play in those games that were to blame. It’s not like the offense was scoring 30+ points per game and just falling short because the defense sucked.

I count 10 elimination games and he's 2-8.

I'm not one that buys into "he had crap defenses" excuse. Crap coaches? Maybe. He only had a year with Parcells. How good were the Steelers D over the years? They put up good records. The Chiefs D last season was every bit as bad as the Cowboys D from 2011-2013 yet the Chiefs were a neutral zone infraction away from going to the SB. You could say the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the difference in coaching. Or you could just say Romo is no Big Ben, Mahomes, and throw in Dan Fouts for good measure. Both would probably be true.

One other thing to consider. I guess this could be considered in defense of Romo although that is not my intent. It's just a situation I find happens more often than not, and not just with Romo. How many of those elimination games were the Cowboys favored to win? Only 3 of 10. Dallas won 2 of them. How many QBs have a stellar record playing as dogs away in elimination games?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Man people try and change the narrative now. Now Romo never had a defense. No matter if he had a defense or not the results were always the same. First round exit or missed out on the playoffs.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

And away we go--The Joker.

LLLOOOLLL, will be good.

 

[Aviano90]

I count 10 elimination games and he's 2-8.

I'm not one that buys into "he had crap defenses" excuse. Crap coaches? Maybe. He only had a year with Parcells. How good were the Steelers D over the years? They put up good records. The Chiefs D last season was every bit as bad as the Cowboys D from 2011-2013 yet the Chiefs were a neutral zone infraction away from going to the SB. You could say the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the difference in coaching. Or you could just say Romo is no Big Ben, Mahomes, and throw in Dan Fouts for good measure. Both would probably be true.

One other thing to consider. I guess this could be considered in defense of Romo although that is not my intent. It's just a situation I find happens more often than not, and not just with Romo. How many of those elimination games were the Cowboys favored to win? Only 3 of 10. Dallas won 2 of them. How many QBs have a stellar record playing as dogs away in elimination games?

One game was against Philly in 2013 and Romo was hurt for the week 17 game. Kyle Orton played that game and we had a chance late in the 4th quarter to win that game, but Orton threw an interception. We just 24-22.

I am not sure how many we were favored to win. I just know the team did have opportunities to win those games and it wasn’t just bad defense that caused losses in those games. That’s why I don’t subscribe to the theory Romo never had a shot.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I found this interesting speaking of Eli, Clay Travis yesterday morning heading to work was going over his numbers compared to John Elways and Eli's are better even though he has more int's 244 to 225. Plus the 2 SB's MVP compared to 1 SB MVP for John.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I found this interesting speaking of Eli, Clay Travis yesterday morning heading to work was going over his numbers compared to John Elways and Eli's are better even though he has more int's 244 to 225. Plus the 2 SB's MVP compared to 1 SB MVP for John.

Elway played in a much different era. I can’t compare those two guys and do justice to Elway. Eli should be compared to the Romo’s or Phillip Rivers. Guys in his actual era.

 

[aria]

Wait, so Eli has more wins with worse defenses? I’ve always been told here that Eli always had better defenses and that was the majority of the reason he won any games at all. Sure, Eli played more games but that was because he wasn’t as fragile or as dumb as Tony.

I’ve also been told Eli always had better O lines, I’d like to see that stat, especially with what he’s had over the past 7-8 years.