Byron Jones or Amari Cooper?

[mattjames2010]

Our OL is overrated. Zeke had yards and TDs this past season but we weren’t running the ball consistently from game to game. We were having to pass the ball far too much from week to week. We got away from the running game most weeks and relied on Dak. As for our defense it was mediocre this past season especially on third down. We had some of the fewest takeaways of any team in the league and we weren’t getting many sacks. The offensive stats we had this past season don’t tell the entire story. Too much was put on our QB this season due to an inconsistent running game and defense.

Our O-line is overrated? Oh, keeping Dak from being sacked and opening holes up to get Zeke 1,300 yards and 10+ TDs despite running like he is a 29 year old RB already. So overrated. Let's go by your word alone lol

And I didn't say our defense was perfect, or great, I said it was better than our 2016 defense. Either way, your "carry" argument is still just BS to the fullest extent. Dak is surrounded by talent.

 

[mattjames2010]

“Shut the hell up about it”?

Dude, relax this is just a discussion.

what difference did Byron make on the year the defense had?

How about locking down his man the majority of the time? He's not elite, but he is a great man to man corner and you don't just replace those with bargain bin shopping in FA.

 

[KJJ]

Our O-line is overrated? Oh, keeping Dak from being sacked and opening holes up to get Zeke 1,300 yards and 10+ TDs despite running like he is a 29 year old RB already. So overrated. Let's go by your word alone lol

And I didn't say our defense was perfect, or great, I said it was better than our 2016 defense. Either way, your "carry" argument is still just BS to the fullest extent. Dak is surrounded by talent.

Zeke looks like a 29-year-old RB because there isn’t many holes. He runs into piles most games because our OL isn’t run blocking worth a crap. It’s been around two years since he’s had a run of more than 31 yards. Our OL is overrated! Dak turned a third round receiver in Michael Gallup into 1000 yard receiver despite a number of drops. Even Witten was dropping balls last season. Our defense this season wasn’t better than it was in 2016. No way could we win 13 games with this defense. There’s a reason our coaching staff was cleaned out at the end of this season, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[mattjames2010]

Zeke looks like a 29-year-old RB because there isn’t many holes. He runs into piles most games because our OL isn’t run blocking worth a crap. It’s been around two years since he’s had a run of more than 31 yards. Our OL is overrated! Dak turned a third round receiver in Michael Gallup into 1000 yard receiver despite a number of drops. Even Witten was dropping balls last season.

No, Zeke looks like a 29 year old RB because he can't get to the second level due to, at times, poor vision (which he admitted to in the Jets game) and not having a second gear to take it to the house. He's a good bruising RB, but his speed has declined. Either way, your claim is baseless about our line being overrated despite Dak having stone feet and poor pocket awareness, yet only being sacked a little over 20 times in 2019. You're talking out of your butt, and as always, instead of just saying "Whoops! I was wrong", you will want to save face for 10 pages. Embarrassing.

LOL imagine blaming the freakin' line ON THE FACT THAT AN RB LACKS THE BURST TO REACH THE SECOND LEVEL BAHAHAHAHAHA All those other RBs, you know like Barkley, that have WORSE lines somehow manage to get to the second level, but Zeke needs the line to part like the red sea to get to the second level.

Gallup is a #2 WR, which is why he was taken in the third round. They are capable of getting 1,000 yards....especially when you throw the ball nearly 600 times. PFF had him ranked as one of the top receivers in the draft and considered him a steal.

We're done here. You're reaching and you lost. NEXT!

 

[WillieBeamen]

No, I said “most” of the top QBs in the league have top receivers. You’re the one moving the goalposts. If you want to keep wasting time on this feel free.

And I showed you several that DONT need a top receiver


The MVP of the league doesnt have a top receiver on his team

 

[KJJ]

No, Zeke looks like a 29 year old RB because he can't get to the second level due to, at times, poor vision (which he admitted to in the Jets game) and not having a second gear to take it to the house. He's a good bruising RB, but his speed has declined. Either way, your claim is baseless about our line being overrated despite Dak having stone feet and poor pocket awareness, yet only being sacked a little over 20 times in 2019. You're talking out of your butt, and as always, instead of just saying "Whoops! I was wrong", you will want to save face for 10 pages. Embarrassing.

LOL imagine blaming the freakin' line ON THE FACT THAT AN RB LACKS THE BURST TO REACH THE SECOND LEVEL BAHAHAHAHAHA All those other RBs, you know like Barkley, that have WORSE lines somehow manage to get to the second level, but Zeke needs the line to part like the red sea to get to the second level.

We're done here. You're reaching and you lost. NEXT!

There’s articles everywhere criticizing our run blocking this past season. You’re just wasting my time.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/in...ds-to-be-more-consistent-in-run-blocking/amp/

 

[KJJ]

And I showed you several that DONT need a top receiver


The MVP of the league doesnt have a top receiver on his team

Jackson didn’t need a top receiver the Ravens are a run first team. Everything they do is dependent on their running game. If they had a top receiver they might not have run into the road block they did in the playoffs. Everything was put on Jackson. The Ravens are going to have a tough time consistently winning with the type of offense they run. Too much is dependent on the play of their QB. Everything revolves around Lamar Jackson. The MVP of the league will be sitting home watching the Super Bowl. He didn’t even make it to a title game. Jackson passed for a season high 365 yards and was terrible. The more he had to throw the worse he got.

 

[mattjames2010]

There’s articles everywhere criticizing our run blocking this past season. You’re just wasting my time.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/in...ds-to-be-more-consistent-in-run-blocking/amp/

LOL "inside the star"

And PFF has us ranked 4th - https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season

Football Outsiders tends to agree - https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/offensive-line/2019

 

[KJJ]

LOL "inside the star"

And PFF has us ranked 4th - https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season

Football Outsiders tends to agree - https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/offensive-line/2019

Our defense wasn’t good all you had to do was watch the games. There’s a reason our defensive coaching staff was cleaned out.

 

[mattjames2010]

Our defense wasn’t good all you had to do was watch the games. There’s a reason our defensive coaching staff was cleaned out.

Our defense had a forced incompletion of 12.2% (third best) and only 10.5 yards per reception, which was fifth best, while being 9th in points allowed. Again, they aren't elite, but they are good.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Jackson didn’t need a top receiver the Ravens are a run first team. Everything they do is dependent on their running game. If they had a top receiver they might not have run into the road block they did in the playoffs. Everything was put on Jackson. The Ravens are going to have a tough time consistently winning with the type of offense they run. Too much is dependent on the play of their QB. Everything revolves around Lamar Jackson. The MVP of the league will be sitting home watching the Super Bowl. He didn’t even make it to a title game. Jackson passed for a season high 365 yards and was terrible. The more he had to throw the worse he got.

Lol. What are you even rambling about?

Here are the top 10 qbs in passer rating in 2019:

Tannehill
Brees
Jackson
Cousins
Wilson
Stafford
Mahomes
Garoppolo
Carr
Prescott


4 of these QBs have top 10 receivers on their team

Brees, Cousins, Mahomes, Prescott

4 of these QBs without top 10 receivers made the playoffs

Jackson, Tannehill, Wilson, Jimmy G

There is absolutely nothing to suggest a top WR is needed to succeed in this league

 

[KJJ]

Our defense had a forced incompletion of 12.2% (third best) and only 10.5 yards per reception, which was fifth best, while being 9th in points allowed. Again, they aren't elite, but they are good.

Those stats don’t tell the story. Rarely do stats tell the story. Statistically we were 9th in defense and that’s based on yards. That ranking doesn’t tell near her the entire story. The defense we had this year we’ll never win crap with. To win with defense you need to make critical third down stops, pressures/sacks and get takeaways.

 

[mattjames2010]

Those stats don’t tell the story. Rarely do stats tell the story. Statistically we were 9th in defense and that’s based on yards. That ranking doesn’t tell near her the entire story. The defense we had this year we’ll never win crap with. To win with defense you need to make critical third down stops, pressures/sacks and get takeaways.

LOL they tell the story that they were effective against the QB in important areas, and I didn't give you total yards, I gave you specifically how they played against the pass. Nobody suggested they are elite or championship caliber, remember the context: Your claim was that Dak "carried", despite this being a thread about retaining Cooper....who you argue Dak needs, while in the same breath saying Dak carried him. You're all over the place and probably drunk, per usual.

But either way, Dak was surrounded by talent this year, didn't need to carry anyone.

 

[KJJ]

Lol. What are you even rambling about?

Here are the top 10 qbs in passer rating in 2019:

Tannehill
Brees
Jackson
Cousins
Wilson
Stafford
Mahomes
Garoppolo
Carr
Prescott


4 of these QBs have top 10 receivers on their team

Brees, Cousins, Mahomes, Prescott

4 of these QBs without top 10 receivers made the playoffs

Jackson, Tannehill, Wilson, Jimmy G

There is absolutely nothing to suggest a top WR is needed to succeed in this league

You’re putting way too much weight in passer rating. If there wasn’t anything to suggest that a top WR is needed to succeed in the league then you wouldn’t see so many receivers drafted in the top 10. The NFL is a passing league and you need solid receivers. An elite receiver is a coveted commodity. Most of the QBs in the Hall of Fame had a HOF WR and I said “most.”

 

[KJJ]

LOL they tell the story that they were effective against the QB in important areas, and I didn't give you total yards, I gave you specifically how they played against the pass. Nobody suggested they are elite or championship caliber, remember the context: Your claim was that Dak "carried", despite this being a thread about retaining Cooper....who you argue Dak needs, while in the same breath saying Dak carried him. You're all over the place and probably drunk, per usual.

But either way, Dak was surrounded by talent this year, didn't need to carry anyone.

You’re a Dak hater and nothing that’s said is going to convince you. When a QB is having to pass for multiple 400 yard games they’re doing some carrying. When a QB is pushing 5000 yards a lot is being put on them.

 

[kskboys]

You’re putting way too much weight in passer rating. If there wasn’t anything to suggest that a top WR is needed to succeed in the league then you wouldn’t see so many receivers drafted in the top 10. The NFL is a passing league and you need solid receivers. An elite receiver is a coveted commodity. Most of the QBs in the Hall of Fame had a HOF WR and I said “most.”

Agree. It's not that you need a top 5 WR, but any QB does need guys who can create separation.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Agree. It's not that you need a top 5 WR, but any QB does need guys who can create separation.

If thats your stance, then you agree with me and not him

 

[WillieBeamen]

You’re putting way too much weight in passer rating. If there wasn’t anything to suggest that a top WR is needed to succeed in the league then you wouldn’t see so many receivers drafted in the top 10. The NFL is a passing league and you need solid receivers. An elite receiver is a coveted commodity. Most of the QBs in the Hall of Fame had a HOF WR and I said “most.”

Wrong.

Being that it IS a passing league (the rules make it easier on receivers), means there is less reliance on that top receiver than ever.

Now quick, tell me the last elite WR to win a Super Bowl

 

[kskboys]

Lol. What are you even rambling about?

Here are the top 10 qbs in passer rating in 2019:

Tannehill
Brees
Jackson
Cousins
Wilson
Stafford
Mahomes
Garoppolo
Carr
Prescott


4 of these QBs have top 10 receivers on their team

Brees, Cousins, Mahomes, Prescott

4 of these QBs without top 10 receivers made the playoffs

Jackson, Tannehill, Wilson, Jimmy G

There is absolutely nothing to suggest a top WR is needed to succeed in this league

George Kittle set a record for receiving yards for a TE. And Deebo is a load.

The receiving threat does not necessarily hv to be a WR, but any QB must have guys who can get open.

Wilson lost due to not having better WR's. Jackson can't throw at an NFL level. Tannehill is a bus driver.

You cannot rate QB's using only QBR. Guys who just toss short stuff and dont' have to make plays will have a higher rating than they deserve.

 

[kskboys]

Wrong.


Tell me the last elite WR to win a Super Bowl

Julian Edelman.