25 years, let it go

Diehardblues

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"Still involved" does not necessarily mean sabotaging the franchise as he has been doing.
We really can’t be sure what it means. Especially as resisting as he was making a change.

We’ve seen Jerry forced into making a sounder decision before with Bill and ultimately no better results because of his meddling and undermining.
 

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I like the mac hire. Just what we need. Got stephen's atamp all over this move.
Of course. All of the better decisions are Juniors. Lol

Yea, we had fans like you thinking so many better decisions were made by Stephen and this thing still collapsed. And I didn’t hear from those who were crediting Sonny. Lol

How convenient. A better decision and it’s all Stephen again. I’m giving Jerry credit if it works out. Better yet, I’ll give Troy credit.
 
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We really can’t be sure what it means. Especially as resisting as he was making a change.

We’ve seen Jerry forced into making a sounder decision before with Bill and ultimately no better results because of his meddling and undermining.
Of course. Some are making some really weird claims that they know, but we do not.
 

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Of course. Some are making some really weird claims that they know, but we do not.
Right

And after all of these years with examples and evidence we have , Im a little suspect. Sorry if that comes off negative.
 

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Of course. All of the better decisions are Juniors. Lol

Yea, we had fans like you thinking so many better decisions were made by Stephen and this thing still collapsed. And I didn’t hear from those who were crediting Sonny. Lol

How convenient. A better decision and it’s all Stephen again. I’m giving Jerry credit if it works out. Better yet, I’ll give Troy credit.
Stephen didn't hire Garrett. He didn't think much of him as a head coach. He publicly called Garrett and the rest of the coaches out after the disastrous 2015 season. The last of Jerry's coaching hires are now history. You're barking up the wrong tree if you think you'll get a rise out of me dissing on mac or Stephen.
 

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Right

And after all of these years with examples and evidence we have , Im a little suspect. Sorry if that comes off negative.
What I suggest you do is go back and look at some replays of Jerry the last few weeks of the season. Watch closely. You can clearly see the extreme frustration in his face. You can see that he is completely lost, and has finally come to terms with the fact that his way did not work. He doesn't understand why, but you can see it. It is blatant.

So, Jerry dumps JG, and hires a legit HC. Lets this HC bring in his own guys. Only guy we kept that I know if is Mo, and word is that McC loves him. I know I do.

So, think. Examples and evidence. It's actually staring you in the face that this appears to be different. Is it? No way to know, but the examples and evidence now point directly at a monstrous change.

Follow the evidence.
 

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It's like some kind of a cross some drag around, a curse, the last 25 years of futility overshadows everything and becomes the response to optimism and positivity.

There is nothing to carry forward. The players have a clean slate

The last time there was a dominant HC the owner was uncomfortable and felt like there was eggshells in the floors of the building.

Since then he has been comfortable, but the success has not been there.

This is possibly the last experiment for Cowboys fans to understand if it was the HC or the owner who was steering the culture with the final hammer.

Lots of fans will be on the sidelines watching to see if things are truly different.
 

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What I suggest you do is go back and look at some replays of Jerry the last few weeks of the season. Watch closely. You can clearly see the extreme frustration in his face. You can see that he is completely lost, and has finally come to terms with the fact that his way did not work. He doesn't understand why, but you can see it. It is blatant.

So, Jerry dumps JG, and hires a legit HC. Lets this HC bring in his own guys. Only guy we kept that I know if is Mo, and word is that McC loves him. I know I do.

So, think. Examples and evidence. It's actually staring you in the face that this appears to be different. Is it? No way to know, but the examples and evidence now point directly at a monstrous change.

Follow the evidence.
Jerry's even admitted he screams in his pillow at night. That's pretty telling. As we all know, down is no good when wet.
 

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I feel a championship coimg soon. Hang in there!
I don't mind giving McCarthy a year to make some personnel adjustments, but IMO the people we have are already better than 8-8 for the 1st year. The second year should show some SERIOUS improvement.
 

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It's like some kind of a cross some drag around, a curse, the last 25 years of futility overshadows everything and becomes the response to optimism and positivity.

With not enough changes in coaching, I can buy the malaise that set in but this is almost an entirely new coaching staff and picked by the new HC.

There are signs of change already here with the GM, seemingly, granting this HC more room and that seemed to be the course he wanted by wanting only a NFL proven HC.

The NFL is a year to year thing, look at the Niners, they weren't picked to win their own division, let alone the conference.

There is nothing to carry forward. The players have a clean slate with the coaches and even if the guy you wanted didn't get picked, why pick on this guy? The man has proven he can coach and he had a year off to reflect and take a good hard look at what his part might have been in the breakdown in GB. A man out to prove something is a most serious man to watch,

Big Mike had no part of those past 25 years, except maybe to kick us out of the playoffs, so he comes in with no baggage.

Life is hard, me buckos, take happiness when it's available. Instead of expecting him to fail, expect him to succeed and let the performance be the proof. This team is more talented than 8-8, we know it and he knows it. Let's let this unfold and play out and maybe those 25 years just become a fading memory.

Good cap shape. Stephen and Will as our shadow GM doing a pretty good job. Stacked on offense. Now with a SB winning coach coming to the team.

I think they have the capability to win.
 

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Maybe an NFL quality S, effectively running the ball in the red zone. And.....the biggie...plays that make sense!!!!

We should be a monster team running in the red zone if we use Dak's ability to run and throw on the move.

And stop going jumbo with 3 TEs who can't block. I so hate that. We load up on our least effective players.
 

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What I suggest you do is go back and look at some replays of Jerry the last few weeks of the season. Watch closely. You can clearly see the extreme frustration in his face. You can see that he is completely lost, and has finally come to terms with the fact that his way did not work. He doesn't understand why, but you can see it. It is blatant.

So, Jerry dumps JG, and hires a legit HC. Lets this HC bring in his own guys. Only guy we kept that I know if is Mo, and word is that McC loves him. I know I do.

So, think. Examples and evidence. It's actually staring you in the face that this appears to be different. Is it? No way to know, but the examples and evidence now point directly at a monstrous change.

Follow the evidence.
Well said.

Thus far the evidence tells me Jerry didn’t want to do this which is concerning. My guess is he’ll be lurking waiting to insert himself. But you’re right , we don’t know yet. I see Moore as the attachment Jerry wasn’t willing to let go of but we’ll see.

I get why some fans are optimistic. It’s difficult for me. I felt that way with Bill and it didn’t end any better. It’s almost like some fans will feel better not reaching our goals as long as we have a better HC.

My hero is Troy for calling it out and the local media ponied up forcing this type of change. I’m still not sure anyone can overcome the toxic atmosphere and dysfunctional organization Jerry creates. We shall see.

But this off season for me will be celebrating Jimmys induction. That’s the greatest thing for my Cowboys fandom in 25 years.
Thanks for your comments K!
 
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Stephen didn't hire Garrett. He didn't think much of him as a head coach. He publicly called Garrett and the rest of the coaches out after the disastrous 2015 season. The last of Jerry's coaching hires are now history. You're barking up the wrong tree if you think you'll get a rise out of me dissing on mac or Stephen.
Its laughable to think Jerry’s made his last coaching decision as GM. But I understand fans need something to believe in.

Anytime during this entire process as the season was collapsing and all of the coaching questions Stephen was confronted he simply said, refer to Jerry.
 

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There is no curse. There is no bad luck. The issue with this team is as clear as day and it can not and will not change. We are not a statistical anomaly. We are a fundamentally flawed franchise. Wining is not the ultimate objective and it shows year after year after year.
 

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Well said.

Thus far the evidence tells me Jerry didn’t want to do this which is concerning. My guess is he’ll be lurking waiting to insert himself. But you’re right , we don’t know yet.

Is the evidence you are referring to things from years past (TO, Rob Ryan, Greg Hardy) or are you referring to things that have happened since the McCarthy hire?

If it’s the former, that’s not really “evidence”, but more like previous history that might reasonably inform your current position

If it’s the latter, then I’m genuinely curious to know what you are referring to.

He hired the guy

The guy he hired has fired the entire coaching staff with the exception of Moore, who MM had already planned on acquiring wherever he became HC and Nussmeier, who I’m guessing is more Kellen Moore’s “hire” than McCarthy.

We know Jerry was really high on several members of the old staff and, like every GM, asked the new HC to at least consider retaining them, but it looks like MM thought about it for a couple of minutes and then fired them all.

We haven’t made any personnel decisions, so no evidence there.

McClay is running the scouting and senior bowl visits but I’m not sure that could be considered evidence of Jerry “inserting himself”,

So, if this is a “I touched a hot stove once and still give it a cautious eye when I’m in the kitchen” type of thing, then I get that. I do hope, for the sake of for your own Cowboys enjoyment, that old burn doesn’t limit your optimism for a new season and a new era.
 

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Is the evidence you are referring to things from years past (TO, Rob Ryan, Greg Hardy) or are you referring to things that have happened since the McCarthy hire?

If it’s the former, that’s not really “evidence”, but more like previous history that might reasonably inform your current position

If it’s the latter, then I’m genuinely curious to know what you are referring to.

He hired the guy

The guy he hired has fired the entire coaching staff with the exception of Moore, who MM had already planned on acquiring wherever he became HC and Nussmeier, who I’m guessing is more Kellen Moore’s “hire” than McCarthy.

We know Jerry was really high on several members of the old staff and, like every GM, asked the new HC to at least consider retaining them, but it looks like MM thought about it for a couple of minutes and then fired them all.

We haven’t made any personnel decisions, so no evidence there.

McClay is running the scouting and senior bowl visits but I’m not sure that could be considered evidence of Jerry “inserting himself”,

So, if this is a “I touched a hot stove once and still give it a cautious eye when I’m in the kitchen” type of thing, then I get that. I do hope, for the sake of for your own Cowboys enjoyment, that old burn doesn’t limit your optimism for a new season and a new era.
Jerry has exhausted my hope and enjoyment of Cowboys Football the last 25 years.
 

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I am sorry Kwyn but if you think this is a new era you are dreaming. This is just another chapter in the Jerry Jones era. And as for the hot stove analogy it is not a case of touching a hot stove once. It is a case of touching the hot stove over and over and over multiple times each year for 25 straight years. I have learned from my mistakes and I have seen the light and it is a big bright blue star with Jerruhs smiling face in the middle.
 
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