Twitter: Fisher: Glazer: Dak not going anywhere, not asking for $40M

jjktkk · Feb 8, 2020

conner01 said:
If he was a free agent he’d get 35 or there about

I would be shocked if he got that amount.

OmerV · Feb 8, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Throwing ability is the most visible quality along with winning.

The first 3 years winning was one of the major checks by Daks tenure. Not so much now. And this trend continues we will sour quickly .

If this is as good as it gets then not sure those other intangible factors are enough.

Throwing ability is the most visible, but not necessarily the most valuable. A lot of great arms never did much, and some that weren't very pretty managed to get the job done.

As for Dak's "trend", aside from the fact that 1 year does not a trend make, the failure last year was about a lot more than just Dak. And realistically, Wentz's Eagles were only a rats hair better. Who won the division was just a battle of who would be the slightly better of two bad teams.

DeaconBlues · Feb 8, 2020

kskboys said:
Hope so.

I want to shake Dak, and tell him: "Dak, you can retire on 30 mil. Get those figures out of your head and take around 30 so we can have a shot at a super bowl. Don't listen to the m orons who think this is some stupid contest about who is making more. It doesn't matter even a little bit what someone else makes."

This, followed by his security beating you down, and the DA charging you with assault.

Kidding.

Actually, not kidding.

ShiningStar · Feb 8, 2020

lets just wait to see what happens and hopefully get behind our team. United fans are better than warring fans. we dont pay the bills and we arent running the team. I got what i wanted to see this offeseason, anything else is just frosting on my awesome cake.

conner01 · Feb 8, 2020

jjktkk said:
I would be shocked if he got that amount.

I am shocked at a lot of contracts but what drives them is the cap going up every year
QB will get a good portion of the cap
As soon as the new CBA is done it will go up even more. And if they get 17 games they will go back to the networks and get even more
As long as the cap keeps rising the money will keep going up
What is a top paid contract this year won’t be in top 5 in just 2 years
It’s more about the pct of cap than the actual dollars
That’s why agents and teams look at that more than actual dollars
If the players get a couple more pct of revenue that’s lots more cap space, a new tv deal, lots more cap space
It’s just they way it’s gonna be when the players get a pct of revenue and that revenue continues to grow
5 yrs ago the cap was 144 mil and this year it could be 200mil

CATCH17 · Feb 8, 2020

OmerV said:
That, admittedly, is a little bizarre, but that's the nature of the NFL. Talent is constantly evaluated, and free agency allows movement, and the market - supply and demand - drives up the costs.

I think the problem is we tend to think of players as personnel, similar to other industries, but really the players are the commodity - the product being sold. Businesses often spend a lot of money on research and development and studying market conditions and the cost/benefit of pursuing alternatives. That's what teams do with players - make evaluations and decide to pay what they need based on what gives them the best chance of success.

Yeah..

I just look at it as Dallas being stuck in a rut and constantly digging themselves deeper.

They get scrub free agents for the most part.

Then they rely on rookies to be their real upgrade from the previous year but how often does a rookie come in and perform.

Then we pay those guys and never really add to it.

We have mastered the art of mediocrity and mediocrity is probably just as good for the Cowboys business as some teams winning a Super Bowl..

We only have to maintain relevancy to get the same attention as a Super Bowl winner.. I’ve heard as much Cowboys news this week as I have the Chiefs.

Javier · Feb 8, 2020

35 will seal the deal

OmerV · Feb 8, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Yeah..

I just look at it as Dallas being stuck in a rut and constantly digging themselves deeper.

They get scrub free agents for the most part.

Then they rely on rookies to be their real upgrade from the previous year but how often does a rookie come in and perform.

Then we pay those guys and never really add to it.

We have mastered the art of mediocrity and mediocrity is probably just as good for the Cowboys business as some teams winning a Super Bowl..

We only have to maintain relevancy to get the same attention as a Super Bowl winner.. I’ve heard as much Cowboys news this week as I have the Chiefs.

I like that we focus on building through the draft, but I think the Cowboys have gone overboard with it. A truly key free agent here and there could make a big difference, but they really only dabble in free agency enough to flesh out the team, but not notably upgrade it. Going after Cobb was a little refreshing, but still it wasn't a dramatic upgrade over the player he was signed to replace. I also appreciate that they traded for Quinn, so hopefully they are starting to realize they need to consider at least a few players that aren't home grown in key roles. Realistically though, it wasn't like they had to give up much for Quinn, so it was still a very conservative move.

ShiningStar · Feb 8, 2020

OmerV said:
I like that we focus on building through the draft, but I think the Cowboys have gone overboard with it. A truly key free agent here and there could make a big difference, but they really only dabble in free agency enough to flesh out the team, but not notably upgrade it. Going after Cobb was a little refreshing, but still it wasn't a dramatic upgrade over the player he was signed to replace. I also appreciate that they traded for Quinn, so hopefully they are starting to realize they need to consider at least a few players that aren't home grown in key roles. Realistically though, it wasn't like they had to give up much for Quinn, so it was still a very conservative move.

you are right, I myself would love to blame garrett, but i dont know for sure whos idea this was. lets be clear, i agree but now under MM id like to see it change, thats why im excited to see if FA sets up the draft, or the draft sets up FA. Personally id like an even blend to both this year to flesh out the team and make upgrades where we need them and remove players who dont fit the new scheme. this is dangerous and will really tell us what MM is planning for this year.

LatinMind · Feb 8, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
LOL......Like I said in another thread, Dak's going need some thick skin once his deal is signed. It's going to get ugly, brutal and downright nasty at times. I hope he's ready.......

Been saying this.

6yrs 207mil 30mil SB 120 Guaranteed

2020 caphit 20mil base fully guaranteed 5mil pro rated SB

I think the final 2 yrs will be the fluff yrs where they restructure yr 5 to give him more guaranteed money and take on another 6yrs.

And as i have been saying i doubt its the cowboys or talks between team and agent are holding up the deal, but the talks between the league and the NFPA thats holding this up, as Dak's agent isnt going to sign early and leave money on the table. The cap is going to skyrocket if a game is added to the season.

Diehardblues · Feb 8, 2020

OmerV said:
Throwing ability is the most visible, but not necessarily the most valuable. A lot of great arms never did much, and some that weren't very pretty managed to get the job done.

As for Dak's "trend", aside from the fact that 1 year does not a trend make, the failure last year was about a lot more than just Dak. And realistically, Wentz's Eagles were only a rats hair better. Who won the division was just a battle of who would be the slightly better of two bad teams.

I’d argue the trend is 2 out of last 3 years. Take away the sensational Rookie season and it’s different conversation.

Starforever · Feb 8, 2020

Jake said:
I don't care if he's asking for $40 million or "only" $36-38 million. That's a lot of money for a QB that hasn't done anything more than win a division title.

Yes, it takes a supporting cast - QBs don't win championships on their own - but a huge QB contract only makes that a harder task. I'm skeptical.

What has Stafford won? What did Romo win? What has Cousins won?

MaineBoy · Feb 8, 2020

Kaiser said:
So the argument is he should play for below market salaries or get trashed by the fans. Golly gee, I wonder why he didn't do that.

yah, your big mistake is not seeing that the “market ‘salaries” are for better QB’s than Dak. They have skins on the wall like super bowl and playoff appearances. Jeez, even Wentz who is criticized often was able to get his team of Home Depot players to a division title while Dak led a team that lost to the Jets, got embarrassed by the Bears and Bills, and then lost to the walking wounded Eagles the last game. Dak’s market value based on his accomplishments is below those market values. There’s not a team in the NFL that would pay him 35-37 million. I’d love to see him test the open market so people like you could get a reality check. Dak would get the same reality check Garrett got, despite Jerry saying Garret would get 5 head coaching offers if he left Dallas.

OmerV · Feb 8, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I’d argue the trend is 2 out of last 3 years. Take away the sensational Rookie season and it’s different conversation.

I would say 2017 is the real anomaly. That was his real down year, but his stats were better in 2018 and better still in 2019. 2019 was his best statistical year in many categories, and in most others was his best since 2016.

And, again, is the QB solely to blame when the team doesn't do as well? Sure some of it is on the QB - the QB is a key figure. But what did Wentz do last year that was notably better than Dak? Dak had more yardage, more TD's, more yards per attempt, more yards per catch and a higher QBR, and led a higher scoring offense. What Wentz had was one more win. Does that really signal that Wentz is notably better than Dak?

cowboy_ron · Feb 8, 2020

Players or people in the media read this board.

Kaiser · Feb 8, 2020

OmerV said:
I like that we focus on building through the draft, but I think the Cowboys have gone overboard with it. A truly key free agent here and there could make a big difference, but they really only dabble in free agency enough to flesh out the team, but not notably upgrade it. Going after Cobb was a little refreshing, but still it wasn't a dramatic upgrade over the player he was signed to replace. I also appreciate that they traded for Quinn, so hopefully they are starting to realize they need to consider at least a few players that aren't home grown in key roles. Realistically though, it wasn't like they had to give up much for Quinn, so it was still a very conservative move.

I think we see more of those type of moves this offseason where they go after good but not great players at DT and TE. Dak and Cooper are locks to be resigned (Cobb also) but I think they let Byron Jones test the waters to see what kind of offers he gets. With Quinn they may do the same thing, but they may want to give him a backloaded deal prior to FA starting.

Kaiser · Feb 8, 2020

MaineBoy said:
Jeez, even Wentz who is criticized often was able to get his team of Home Depot players to a division title while Dak led a team that lost to the Jets, got embarrassed by the Bears and Bills, and then lost to the walking wounded Eagles the last game.

Time for the Dumb Post Midterm boys and girls. Identify the dumbest thing in this post:

A) Wentz being a total wuss doesn't matter
B) Wentz had no talent around him
C) Dallas destroyed Philly when Dak was healthy but it doesn't matter because they lost to the Jets with half their starters hurt
D) I can't choose, the first three make my head hurt.

The correct answer is "D".

OmerV · Feb 8, 2020

Kaiser said:
I think we see more of those type of moves this offseason where they go after good but not great players at DT and TE. Dak and Cooper are locks to be resigned (Cobb also) but I think they let Byron Jones test the waters to see what kind of offers he gets. With Quinn they may do the same thing, but they may want to give him a backloaded deal prior to FA starting.

This pretty well aligns with what I think. I would like to see at least one real impact free agent signed on defense - DT or DB preferably. I think we have enough talent on offense to do well, assuming we sign Cooper, Cobb and Dak, and the new coaching staff helps, but defense still needs some upgrades to make it a more formidable unit.

phildadon86 · Feb 8, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I’d argue the trend is 2 out of last 3 years. Take away the sensational Rookie season and it’s different conversation.

So we are taking away his 2 best years and using his 2 worst years as the trend? No agenda there at all

Legend · Feb 8, 2020

I wish not $40M a year for Dak. But $40M a year for both Dak ($25M) and Cooper ($15M) + performance incentives.

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