Dez Bryant - A Man With No Position

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Strong. Physical. Aggressive.
Good hands, body control, leaping ability, catching in a crowd.
Good open field runner, hard to bring down.
Good in school yard ball.

You think he still has these strengths? To be honest, some of those were fading three years ago. His last really good season was 2014

  • Hands - in his last two season with the Cowboys, Dez’s hands became very questionable. He had a really high number of drops
  • Leaping ability - this was in steep decline at the end and after two years off and Achilles surgery, I think it’s unlikely Dez has much vertical left at all
  • Body Control - Again, Dez’s athleticism was already in steep decline in 2017.
He had three surgeries on his foot and ankle in 2015. broke his foot in 2015, fractured his knee in 2016 and the the complete Achilles rupture before the start of the 2018 season.

I like Dak but I think he’s likely just a shadow of what he was in 2014 and even his declining skill level in 2015-2017 are probably history as well.

I’d rather draft a young late round WR or pick up a free agent with at least a little upside and give them a shot.

I don’t think that memories of last glory are enough to earn a roster spot

I would love to be wrong.
 

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Best case scenario, bring DB to camp and let him try to walk on.

I don’t believe he can make the 53 anyway but at least the cowboys would be doing their due diligence.
 

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Physicality and winning contested one-on-one matchups. And he's a great red zone threat that others - including Cooper - aren't.

I'll take Dez Bryant in a one-on-one matchup against your 3rd and 4th corner all day.

I would think that someone who professes to be a "Dez fan" would know this?
:huh:
Rose colored glasses maybe?

The Dez you describe hasn’t played in the NFL since 2014.

His productivity certainly related to his athletic ability but it was also a product of him being the focal point of the offense. Linehan and the Cowboys threw it to him often.

From 2012-2014 the Cowboys targeted Dez an avg of 144 times a season. He averaged over 13 TD’s a season during that span

In 2017, when they targeted him 132 times, he only managed 6 TD’s

His decline was on him but he just didn’t see it which is the norm.

For Red Zone productivity it looked like this during his three year prime (He really just had a three year prime)
  • 2012 - 14 tgt, 4 TD
  • 2013 - 20 tgt, 10 TD
  • 2014 - 14 tgt, 8 TD

In his last season, they again tried to force the ball to him in the red zone and the results weren’t great and his productivity fell off the table from his prime years.
  • 2017 - 20 tgt, 5 TD

In a 4th receiver role, say he replaces Tayvon Austin, you’re looking at 25 targets or so for the entire season. You might be lucky to see 1 TD if he were in that role.

Now, if you think he’ll get targets over the starting X, Z or Slot receivers, then you’re talking about replacing Cooper, Gallup or Cobb and that’s just not going to happen

I think lots of folks imagine red zone and TD pass attempts as being plentiful things. They’re not. We only had 61 red zone passing attempts the entire year and the vast majority of the time your 4th receiver isn’t even on the field because teams don’t run the spread in that part of the field.
 

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Dez needs a role, not a position.

Assets
Strong. Physical. Aggressive.
Good hands, body control, leaping ability, catching in a crowd.
Good open field runner, hard to bring down.
Good in school yard ball.

Liabilities
Speed.
Route running.

Role
Blocking WR. OK for YAC on dump offs. Some hand offs.
Especially useful in the red zone when the field gets crowded.
Punt returns.

I'm assuming he comes basically healthy, but having lost a step.

If he can be a willing and dedicated blocker, he's a serious blocking/running/receiving asset in the red zone, where speed matters less, and physicality and catch radius more.

For WRs, we've gone for route runners and speed. Guys who get separation. The speed and route running aren't as useful when the field is only 15 yards deep. We could use more physicality, and Dez brings it.

Agree. At the moment DAL doesn't have a decent punt return man, that's a STs unit #88 could participate on. Also, Dez could be injury insurance for #19 possibly.

Sign dude, get him in the program early and see what happens. X
 

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Agree. At the moment DAL doesn't have a decent punt return man, that's a STs unit #88 could participate on. Also, Dez could be injury insurance for #19 possibly.

Sign dude, get him in the program early and see what happens. X
I'd rather have TO
 

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I’d rather draft a young late round WR or pick up a free agent with at least a little upside and give them a shot.
I went through McCarthy's time in Green Bay and found he picked a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round in about half of his seasons there.

Even in seasons when they were already stacked at WR. They spent a 2nd on Cobb when they were already 4-deep at WR with Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and James Jones.

Part of the reason Rodgers always had so many weapons was because the team just kept picking WRs even when they didn't need them, strictly speaking. Today's luxury was often tomorrow's #1 or #2.

But, as much as he must've valued receivers, McCarthy never spent a 1st rounder on a WR. And almost all of the ones he picked after the 3rd round didn't amount to anything either. But he picked a great haul of them in the 2nd and 3rd.

5 of 6 of them were hits. Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davanta Adams. The first and only bust in that area of the draft was Ty Montgomery. So I might be fine with just telling him to do his thing and pick us a winner in the 2nd or 3rd round. Developing young WRs was a huge strength of McCarthy's in his last job, so let's ask him to do more of that please.

I'd rather pick the next Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, or Adams instead of asking him to hold Dez's hand to incorporate him back into the fold.
 

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Dez will either get a tryout with the Cowboys or he won't. Getting one is highly questionable.

Even if he manages to get a tryout, winning a roster spot is considerably more questionable.

In fully considering the preceding conditions, his chances of playing w/the C-boys are lousy!
 
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I know we have several Dez posts and threads but today I’m asking for some patience with a new one because I want to talk about the receiver position and the right end position and what role Dez can actually fill in the 2020 NFL.

For the record, Im a Dez fan. He’s in my sig, I met him irl and he was great, etc etc etc. If the Cowboys want to give Dez a tryout, Im good with it but I think we need to be realistic

Many fans are arguing that Dez can either play the slot WR role or play TE. I think this is simply incorrect and I’ll state why.

First, some physical stats on Dez because they are important.

Dez is 6’2 and 220 lbs.
His 40 time as a rookie was 4.52

Tight End
  • He’s never played tight end
  • He’s extremely undersized for the position. Check out the best tight ends in the league. 6’4-6’6 and 245-260 lbs
  • He was never fast and now he’s probably around 4.6-4.7 range which is only average for a decent tight end. I think 4.6 is a fantasy for him at this point but we won’t know unless he goes on the clock which, no surprise, is not something he’s doing in any of his dozens of “skills” videos. The best tight ends are at 4.6 or better now.
  • He was never a good blocker. He was ok, but that was against DB’s. Linebackers and d-linemen would destroy him and all tight ends, even those who are more of a passing game threat go up against d-linemen and linebackers all day long. Its an inescapable fact of NFL life.
  • Bottom line, Tight Ends are not just slow wide receivers.

Wide Receiver
  • X Receiver (Split-End) Cooper - this is your #1 receiver, lines up wide, on the line, is set at the start of the play and can’t go into motion. Gets jammed by corners, faces the best man to man defender and needs to be fast and somewhat elusive to get out into his route.
  • Z Receiver (Flanker) - Gallup - lines up opposite of the X and slightly off the line of scrimmage. If he lines up on the line, the TE is ineligible. Needs to be fast, cause he’s defended by CB’s, but being off the line isn’t as easily jammed. This is typically the “motion receiver” and you sometimes see them go across the middle or involved in reverses but they also will go deep at times. Typically a lot of speed.
  • Slot Receiver - Cobb - this guy lines up closer to the interior of the line, almost always has a LB lines up across from him looking to hit him and keep him off his route. This guy needs to be quick and elusive or he’ll get caught in the wash and never be able to get open. This was Beasley for us before Cobb
  • 4th receiver - you only see this when a team goes to a “10 personnel” set. This is the “spread” and is something McCarthy used to run in GB and it wasn’t particularly rare for him so it won’t surprise me one bit to see it used here. It’s just a fourth guy who lines up and usually runs a crossing route. Sometimes it’s a TE and not a WR at all
  • Five wide receiver sets are Hail Marys and desperation pass situations. there’s no running back at all.
So, where’s Dez in that? Clearly he can’t be an effective TE and if you’re trying to make him your X, Z or Slot, you’re gonna have a bad time because he’s not fast or elusive enough to play any of them.

He could be a spread receiver and see spot play here and there, but wouldn’t you rather see a young WR talent develop with that roster spot than a 32 year old who hasn’t played for two years after an Achilles tear? A guy whose best plays, in his prime. were jump balls in the end zone and back shoulder fades?

I loved Dez but I just don’t see a good spot for him that couldn’t be filled better by a long list of rookies or young free agents.

Thanks for indulging me.
Wait...so your argument against Dez playing slot WR is that he would get washed out by a LBer?
Seriously? I would take Dez one on one against any LBer in the game.....and I’m pretty sure no DC would be dumb enough to pretend a LBer is enough to hold Dez...

If Dez were an eagle and our plan was to put Sean Lee or Jaylon Smith on him you would be crapping yourself all week.
 

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Wait...so your argument against Dez playing slot WR is that he would get washed out by a LBer?
Seriously? I would take Dez one on one against any LBer in the game.....and I’m pretty sure no DC would be dumb enough to pretend a LBer is enough to hold Dez...

If Dez were an eagle and our plan was to put Sean Lee or Jaylon Smith on him you would be crapping yourself all week.
Maybe in 2014
 

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Stop with the Dez threads!!!
You know how the delusional fans like living in the past, don’t ruin it for them. Next up we’ll be talking about “If Romo...” and the Dez non catch as if it were the game winning drop in the Super Bowl, and we can’t forget about how many Super Bowls this team won because that still makes us better than 90% of the other teams in the league regardless of the fact we’ve been irrelevant for over two decades.

Didn’t you know we lead the league in attendance? There’s a trophy for that, right?
 

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Dez is done in the NFL - he should be aiming his attention to the XFL or simply bowing out. Sad in a way.
 

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Rose colored glasses maybe?

The Dez you describe hasn’t played in the NFL since 2014.

His productivity certainly related to his athletic ability but it was also a product of him being the focal point of the offense. Linehan and the Cowboys threw it to him often.

From 2012-2014 the Cowboys targeted Dez an avg of 144 times a season. He averaged over 13 TD’s a season during that span

In 2017, when they targeted him 132 times, he only managed 6 TD’s

His decline was on him but he just didn’t see it which is the norm.


For Red Zone productivity it looked like this during his three year prime (He really just had a three year prime)
  • 2012 - 14 tgt, 4 TD
  • 2013 - 20 tgt, 10 TD
  • 2014 - 14 tgt, 8 TD

In his last season, they again tried to force the ball to him in the red zone and the results weren’t great and his productivity fell off the table from his prime years.
  • 2017 - 20 tgt, 5 TD

So nothing else changed between 2014 and 2017 then? Just Dez? Hmmmm.


In a 4th receiver role, say he replaces Tayvon Austin, you’re looking at 25 targets or so for the entire season. You might be lucky to see 1 TD if he were in that role.

You have no idea of how, what, where or when his targets would come from, spare all of us your "1 TD" bull.

Now, if you think he’ll get targets over the starting X, Z or Slot receivers, then you’re talking about replacing Cooper, Gallup or Cobb and that’s just not going to happen

Again, spare us the lame prognostication.

I think lots of folks imagine red zone and TD pass attempts as being plentiful things. They’re not. We only had 61 red zone passing attempts the entire year and the vast majority of the time your 4th receiver isn’t even on the field because teams don’t run the spread in that part of the field.

And "lots of folks imagine" that their narrow minded, myopic opinions are facts. "They're not."
 
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I went through McCarthy's time in Green Bay and found he picked a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round in about half of his seasons there.

Even in seasons when they were already stacked at WR. They spent a 2nd on Cobb when they were already 4-deep at WR with Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and James Jones.

Part of the reason Rodgers always had so many weapons was because the team just kept picking WRs even when they didn't need them, strictly speaking. Today's luxury was often tomorrow's #1 or #2.

But, as much as he must've valued receivers, McCarthy never spent a 1st rounder on a WR. And almost all of the ones he picked after the 3rd round didn't amount to anything either. But he picked a great haul of them in the 2nd and 3rd.

5 of 6 of them were hits. Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davanta Adams. The first and only bust in that area of the draft was Ty Montgomery. So I might be fine with just telling him to do his thing and pick us a winner in the 2nd or 3rd round. Developing young WRs was a huge strength of McCarthy's in his last job, so let's ask him to do more of that please.

I'd rather pick the next Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, or Adams instead of asking him to hold Dez's hand to incorporate him back into the fold.

If you think "McCarthy picked", you totally missed the actual structure in Green Bay.
 

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Why are so many fearful of giving Dez a tryout? Many 31 year old pro bowl receivers had plenty left in the tank. I mean it's a tryout folks...sheesh, you act like a spot on a 90+ roster in training camp, that we see 3rd string guards known as camp fodder being looked at by some folks as the equivalent of a high round draft pick when in actuality it's the same as an undrafted FA.
 

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Why are so many fearful of giving Dez a tryout? Many 31 year old pro bowl receivers had plenty left in the tank. I mean it's a tryout folks...sheesh, you act like a spot on a 90+ roster in training camp, that we see 3rd string guards known as camp fodder being looked at by some folks as the equivalent of a high round draft pick when in actuality it's the same as an undrafted FA.

And yet people still bring up the name Noah Brown as some viable option for this team?

It's clearly personal with Dez. Some people see him as the Big, Bad Wolf and it colors every other part of their perspective.
 

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Dez needs a role, not a position.

Assets
Strong. Physical. Aggressive.
Good hands, body control, leaping ability, catching in a crowd.
Good open field runner, hard to bring down.
Good in school yard ball.

Liabilities
Speed.
Route running.

Role
Blocking WR. OK for YAC on dump offs. Some hand offs.
Especially useful in the red zone when the field gets crowded.
Punt returns.

I'm assuming he comes basically healthy, but having lost a step.

If he can be a willing and dedicated blocker, he's a serious blocking/running/receiving asset in the red zone, where speed matters less, and physicality and catch radius more.

For WRs, we've gone for route runners and speed. Guys who get separation. The speed and route running aren't as useful when the field is only 15 yards deep. We could use more physicality, and Dez brings it.

Very well thought out post, I agree with every single word. Well done.
 
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