McCarthy Philosophy on Defensive Line

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 2, 2020

McCarthy's philosophy seems to be build up on the defensive side of the ball, since he is an offensive guru. So we have defense first, offensive head coach.

ItzKelz · Apr 2, 2020

I need the draft and FA to be over with so I can see what the identity of our defense is going to be. I can't tell what the heck we are going to be like defensively with the additions weve made with players or coaches.

CowboyRoy · Apr 2, 2020

Kaiser said:
I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

Having one means having good ones. Just because a guy is listed doenst mean that is what MM meant.

CowboyRoy · Apr 2, 2020

ItzKelz said:
I need the draft and FA to be over with so I can see what the identity of our defense is going to be. I can't tell what the heck we are going to be like defensively with the additions weve made with players or coaches.

Just add a first round CB to the defense and that is what we will have.

How can you NOT tell what these additions imply?

DL is obviously a priority for MM and big, run stuffing DT's up the middle are paramount. He wants to stuff the run and then push the pocket on passing down. He values veteran leadership and playmakers. HA HA was a play making type safety. Jones was NOT a playmaking type corner. He wants one and will draft one.

Big DT's will keep the linebackers free to "make plays" with their speed and quickness. Big DT's will help keep DE's free to "make plays" against the QB.

ItzKelz · Apr 2, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Just add a first round CB to the defense and that is what we will have.

How can you NOT tell what these additions imply?

DL is obviously a priority for MM and big, run stuffing DT's up the middle are paramount. He wants to stuff the run and then push the pocket on passing down. He values veteran leadership and playmakers. HA HA was a play making type safety. Jones was NOT a playmaking type corner. He wants one and will draft one.

Big DT's will keep the linebackers free to "make plays" with their speed and quickness. Big DT's will help keep DE's free to "make plays" against the QB.

So I will ask you. What is our identity defensively? You said a lot but didnt say anything. Are we bend but dont break? Do we sell out to stop the run and depend on our back 7 to lock down pass catchers in man to man coverage? Do we run a lot of zone? Do we blitz a lot?

Scotman · Apr 2, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
McCarthy's philosophy seems to be build up on the defensive side of the ball, since he is an offensive guru. So we have defense first, offensive head coach.

That's what I was thinking as well. I'm hoping that MM really has taken his time off to reinvent himself. I'm hoping that Kellen Moore helps MM as much as I expect MM to help Moore.

Clove · Apr 2, 2020

I'm just hoping that we build a line that puts the defense in 3rd and long more often than not. Then get after the QB with ferocity. I want a dominant defense. Something I've not seen around these parts in decades.

Cowboyny · Apr 2, 2020

In my opinion, I think MM and Nolan want a lot of size and strength up front, not just up the middle. They want power players to occupy multiple blockers, which allow their edge rushers to see single up protection, along with keeping his athletic linebackers clean. These power players will ware down opposing offenses as the game progresses.

CowboyRoy · Apr 2, 2020

ItzKelz said:
So I will ask you. What is our identity defensively? You said a lot but didnt say anything. Are we bend but dont break? Do we sell out to stop the run and depend on our back 7 to lock down pass catchers in man to man coverage? Do we run a lot of zone? Do we blitz a lot?

Nolan applies a lot of blitzing. They clearly value the Dline. Stopping the run and being strong up the middle is of utmost importance. Playmakers and turnovers.

Not sure what you are getting at here, but from what they have said, what Nolans history has been, and from who you see them going after right away things become obvious. Others things we shall see.

ItzKelz · Apr 3, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Nolan applies a lot of blitzing. They clearly value the Dline. Stopping the run and being strong up the middle is of utmost importance. Playmakers and turnovers.

Not sure what you are getting at here, but from what they have said, what Nolans history has been, and from who you see them going after right away things become obvious. Others things we shall see.

Youre not answering my question. I get it....you do not know either.

DuncanIso · Apr 3, 2020

Kaiser said:
I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

just remember, GB defenses have not been good.

which is why the Nolan hire is troubling. Edwards was brought in to fix, once someone at the Star googled Nolan.

they were known for their offense, mostly because of Rodgers (who hated MM)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McCaMi0.htm

Nolan is a bend but don’t break DC.

morasp · Apr 3, 2020

Marlon Davidson singled out the Cowboys as his favorite meeting at the combine.

CowboyRoy · Apr 3, 2020

ItzKelz said:
Youre not answering my question. I get it....you do not know either.

The question wasn't do we KNOW, the question was do we have an idea of. And yes, based on what we are seeing, we are getting an idea.

Bobhaze · Apr 3, 2020

I’m admittedly far less knowledgeable about the kind of defensive philosophy Mike Nolan and the defensive coaches will bring. But I sure hope the team finally begins to value the interior defensive linemen more. The Poe and McCoy signings may point that direction.

Despite the new FA additions, I would still like to see this team add some talent from the draft at either edge rush or DT.

DuncanIso · Apr 3, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
McCarthy's philosophy seems to be build up on the defensive side of the ball, since he is an offensive guru. So we have defense first, offensive head coach.

I'd guess that most of the DL upgrades are a result of Tomsula/Edwards/McClay

MM had a string of bad defenses in GB. He's not a defensive guru. [ also, he talked Jerry into hiring his old buddy Nolan to be DC. was there even an interview??? ]

Edwards has an interesting job title. Senior Defensive Assistant.

DuncanIso · Apr 3, 2020

Bobhaze said:
I’m admittedly far less knowledgeable about the kind of defensive philosophy Mike Nolan and the defensive coaches will bring. But I sure hope the team finally begins to value the interior defensive linemen more. The Poe and McCoy signings may point that direction.

Despite the new FA additions, I would still like to see this team add some talent from the draft at either edge rush or DT.

Nolan uses the BBDB scheme we all grew to hate. Because Marinelli ran the same formation almost every play.

4.2.5 off man cover

You'll find out all you need to know about Nolan by doing a simple google search.

his tour with the Falcons is a good start.

Not a lot of falcons fans happy with Mike.

Sydla · Apr 3, 2020

Kaiser said:
I was looking for a quote I read about McCarthy wanting 8 or 9 DL who can rush the passer, does anyone have that exact quote?

He has also said he integrates the DL with coverage schemes, with is probably A) his philosophy and B) an admission that last year's defense was not sync'ed between the DL rush schemes and the secondary coverage schemes.

With the addition of Smith (and likely more draft picks) it looks like they will go away from the Marinelli/Richard scheme of the DL stunting a lot of with players rotating. That while Richard was playing the DBs to avoid big plays.

With McCoy and Poe, doesn't it seem like the DL will play more straight up with the secondary taking more chances? The secondary isn't set but even without a draft pick the DL looks like McCarthy has his 8/9 rushing DL:

LDE: DLaw, Crawford, Jackson/Jelks
DT: McCoy, Hill, Crawford
DT: Poe, Woods
RDE: Smith, Gregory, Dorance Armstrong

Gotta love the two deep at RDE.

Starter, one troubled guy who has been out of football for years. Back, another troubled guy that has been out of football for over a year.

LOL.

ScipioCowboy · Apr 3, 2020

DuncanIso said:
Nolan uses the BBDB scheme we all grew to hate. Because Marinelli ran the same formation almost every play.

4.2.5 off man cover

You'll find out all you need to know about Nolan by doing a simple google search.

his tour with the Falcons is a good start.

Not a lot of falcons fans happy with Mike.

Nolan usually ranked in the top half of the league in terms of blitz rate.

SportsGuru80 · Apr 4, 2020

I want David Irving back in a Cowboys uniform...

Bullflop · Apr 4, 2020

I'm hopeful that with what we've assembled in veteran free agency and with what we'll add in the draft, our defense will likely fit what McCarthy prefers. Of course, some offensive additions will also be served in the draft and also with the additions that come from the waiver wire. Maybe a player or two will be chosen from the veteran FAs still available, once the draft is done. There will also be the undrafted college free agents to be chosen, as well.

All of this, of course, might occur, assuming the 2020 season proceeds as prevailing health conditions allow.

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