The last 40 years of SBs tell us how long MM should have here

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To me it also shows a “modern” trend. Most NFL organizations are not as patient as they were back in the early days of the Super Bowl era. “Win now” is what most teams expect.

Because teams stayed with coaches longer, as it took longer to build winning teams, at times. You had to build through the draft.
No FA back then. So it was drafted players or players and usually injured and older players released by teams. Also trades.

Once you signed a players they were there as long as you wanted them, even if they didn't want to be there.
Therefore, coaches could hang onto draft picks to truly develop and keep.
 

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2014 was JG bid for a SB. Too bad he was rob out it. We had a clear path to the SB that year. I think that's why JJ held on too long to him. He felt JG could take us there.

Clear path???? Even if Dez scores on that play, the odds are still against Dallas winning that game. Rodgers with the ball and several minutes on the clock....not good.The same Rodgers who got his team in FG position in like 25 seconds 2 years later in the 2016 playoff game.

To answer the OP's question, assess where you are after 3 seasons. Its not a given this marriage will work. Garrett was an anomoly due to their personal relationship. Look at the other coaching tenures under Jerry as owner/GM. Things tend to sour around that 4th year.
 

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Clear path???? Even if Dez scores on that play, the odds are still against Dallas winning that game. Rodgers with the ball and several minutes on the clock....not good.The same Rodgers who got his team in FG position in like 25 seconds 2 years later in the 2016 playoff game.

To answer the OP's question, assess where you are after 3 seasons. Its not a given this marriage will work. Garrett was an anomoly due to their personal relationship. Look at the other coaching tenures under Jerry as owner/GM. Things tend to sour around that 4th year.

We don't know the outcome. They game has to be played. We beat GB then we meet Seattle who we are a good fit to win in the NFCC.
 

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We don't know the outcome. They game has to be played. We beat GB then we meet Seattle who we are a good fit to win in the NFCC.


I agree. IF we beat GB. The entire game has to play out. If Dallas goes up 2 or 3, there's a ton of time on the clock for a HOF QB, who had sliced up the pass D all game, playing at home.
Who knows...maybe Rodgers pulls a hammy on the sideline doing jumping jacks or something and we dodge that bullet...
 

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It is a daunting task to take more than one team to the Super Bowl.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/19/5325604/john-fox-super-bowl-nfl-history-broncos-panthers

Don Shula Baltimore Colts III Miami Dolphins VI, VII, VIII, XVII, XIX
Bill Parcells New York Giants XXI, XXV New England Patriots XXXI
Dan Reeves Denver Broncos XXI, XXII, XXIV Atlanta Falcons XXXIII
Dick Vermeil Philadelphia Eagles XV St. Louis Rams XXXIV
Mike Holmgren Green Bay Packers XXXI, XXXII Seattle Seahawks XL
 

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The thing that we need to realize is Big Mike has been around some amazing QB's so if he doesn't believe Dak is the right talent to accomplish his goals as a coach he will find a replacement or work toward that inevitability. As Cowboys fans, we should all be good with where were at now as it compares to the last 10 years. We see signs of Jerry loosing his grip and allowing a qualified coach to do what he believes is best for success.
 

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It is a daunting task to take more than one team to the Super Bowl.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/19/5325604/john-fox-super-bowl-nfl-history-broncos-panthers

Don Shula Baltimore Colts III Miami Dolphins VI, VII, VIII, XVII, XIX
Bill Parcells New York Giants XXI, XXV New England Patriots XXXI
Dan Reeves Denver Broncos XXI, XXII, XXIV Atlanta Falcons XXXIII
Dick Vermeil Philadelphia Eagles XV St. Louis Rams XXXIV
Mike Holmgren Green Bay Packers XXXI, XXXII Seattle Seahawks XL
Seems like we could add Andy Reid to that list too, right? Took the e-girls and chiefs.
 

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I agree. IF we beat GB. The entire game has to play out. If Dallas goes up 2 or 3, there's a ton of time on the clock for a HOF QB, who had sliced up the pass D all game, playing at home.
Who knows...maybe Rodgers pulls a hammy on the sideline doing jumping jacks or something and we dodge that bullet...

Don't know. Same way Murray fumble who know want could happen. Football is about inches and plays. Also note we was scoring on GB, moving the chains.
 

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This is the new state of the Cowboyszone, read non- Dak related thread, inject Dak bashing, look for new non-Dak related thread to inject Dak bashing, rinse and repeat.....
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I was saying give every starting QB and every head coach six years to show they can get it done, for the last 22 years. So it's not just head coaches it's the QB's also IMO.

If you need 6 years to judge a QB or coach, then you don't know what you are doing.
 

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If he has 5 years this means if Dak is not the guy after he's had a chance to work under MM I'd say we could end up with a new QB in 2 years. That gives M&M 3 seasons to get the team ready around the new guy.

Now of course if Dak isn't holding us back under M&M this all changes. I just don't see a QB change happening too late in this 5 year window.

Like Romo? Romo was plenty capable of winning a SB but simply didn't have the coaching or players around him to get it done.

Nothing to do with Romo at all really.

The moment Aikman didn't have his vaunted Oline, coach or defense, he couldn't get it done either.

But then again, you have proven to be completely incapable of understanding the QB position or its team dynamic.
 

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He doesn't have a chance with Dak.

I mean, do you think MM didn't know Dak was going to be his QB going into this, and took the job knowing he was doomed?

Even if it's ego-driven, I believe MM thinks he can develop Dak into a top QB, otherwise he wouldn't take the job in the first place. The alternative is that he went into the job knowing it's career suicide and doing it anyway.
 

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I read an article a few weeks ago that said no modern NFL HC and QB should ever work together more than 5 years. I don’t know if I totally buy that but it is an interesting take. I do believe an NFL HC shoud have 3-5 years to show you what they are capable of. If they haven’t taken the team anywhere special, adios.
Like Romo? Romo was plenty capable of winning a SB but simply didn't have the coaching or players around him to get it done.

Nothing to do with Romo at all really.

The moment Aikman didn't have his vaunted Oline, coach or defense, he couldn't get it done either.

But then again, you have proven to be completely incapable of understanding the QB position or its team dynamic.
I assume you're not following anything I said so lets get you on the same page. We have MM now, not JG. We have a talented roster, as Dak has always had on offense and it appears that our defense has the chance to be better, although I'm not holding my breath.

I'm projecting what Dak and this team can do with the 2020/2021 season. Dak will have had 4 years of questionable coaching and 2 years of good coaching. If it's clear Dak isn't elevating or taking advantage of the talent we have at that point we'd have to agree it's time to move on.

Why bring up romo or aikman? Dak has never not had an oline, run game, or receivers.
 

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This is the new state of the Cowboyszone, read non- Dak related thread, inject Dak bashing, look for new non-Dak related thread to inject Dak bashing, rinse and repeat.....
You are so right, no matter what the topic is someone still finds a way to begin bashing Dak. The Dak dislike is very strong with many posters on this forum.
 

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History is a good teacher when it comes to predicting when an NFL head coach has the best chance of winning a Super Bowl with a team. The last 40 years, over 95% of the time, a coach winning a Super Bowl does it within the first 5 years of being hired. Last year, Andy Reid was an outlier- he was in his 7th season.

If you look at the history of SB winning coaches since 1980, all but two of them won a SB in their first 5 years as HC. The exceptions were Bill Cowher in 2006 and Andy Reid last year. That means only 2 of the last 40 SB winning HCs won a SB after being there more than 5 years. (Belichick won his first SB in his second season at NE)

Many of us have speculated that the MM hire was a “win now” hire. I hope so. Because the thing that eventually drove me crazy about Garrett (besides his low risk, vanilla decision-making) was Jerry hanging on to him for probably 4-5 seasons past when it was reasonable to expect anything else from him.

Today’s NFL head coaches have a shorter shelf life than in the days of Tom Landry. An NFL head coach has 5 years or less to get it done. Doug Pederson won a SB in his second year. Gary Kubiak won one in his first year at Denver.

Mike McCarthy knows how to win. We still don’t know what his first year roster will look like yet, but I’m thinking he needs to win big within 3 years. Jerry won’t be as patient as he was with his hand picked stepson. And that’s not a bad thing IMO.

Has anyone researched GETTING to the Super Bowl?

The 49ers did it last year, Shanahan's 3rd year.

Rams reached the big game in McVay's 2nd year.

Pederson, as you pointed out, won the SB in his 2nd year.

Dan Quinn took the Falcons to the big game in his 2nd year, losing to the Pats.

Ron Rivera took the Panthers up against the Broncos in his 5th season, losing that game to Gary Kubiak, who of course was in his very first year of coaching Denver.

That is the last five Super Bowls in a row.

The idea that Garrett needed more than 5 years to get this done is just not true, as you point out. Too many other teams out there are getting it done in 2-3 years or less, climbing to serious contention.
 
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