News: NFL: Stephen Jones: We'll sign Prescott at the right number

ChuckA1 · May 1, 2020

DallasEast said:
My apologies. Concisely, the point is it highly likely Brady would have been asking for more money throughout his career if not for his wife.

Brady is correct in saying he is smart when it comes to past salary cap considerations with New England but his own words reflect his logic was/is indicative of his marital status. And he is right about that as well.

Any "Prescott should do what Brady has done" argument is fundamentally flawed if a Gisele counterpart for Prescott is not factored into it. A stronger, more relevant financial/salary cap argument of that type could be made if Prescott was as lucky as a son of a you-know-what as Brady has been as far as spouses are concerned.

I'm not certain, but I believe Dak has done more endorsements than Brady. Should the extra money in endorsements enter into the equation? I guess I'm just dumb, but I can't see any real lifestyle difference taking $32, 33, 34 or 35 million a year. Nor can I see a difference in 105 million or 110 million in guaranteed money. If Dak can give a little to help the team, maybe the team will go out to five years, instead of six.

But really, this is all speculation as we know nothing about what the actual stumbling blocks are.

Bullflop · May 1, 2020

Despite the fact that it's taking longer than we'd like, I'm glad our FO is intent upon doing well for all involved. It's just good business. :thumbup:

JoeKing · May 1, 2020

What do you expect him to say, "we'll sign Dak at the wrong number"? It may happen but he's not going to say it.

jaythecowboy · May 1, 2020

ChuckA1 said:
I'm not certain, but I believe Dak has done more endorsements than Brady. Should the extra money in endorsements enter into the equation? I guess I'm just dumb, but I can't see any real lifestyle difference taking $32, 33, 34 or 35 million a year. Nor can I see a difference in 105 million or 110 million in guaranteed money. If Dak can give a little to help the team, maybe the team will go out to five years, instead of six.

But really, this is all speculation as we know nothing about what the actual stumbling blocks are.

Dak hasn't have more endorsement money than Brady. Brady was on the top 10 list of endorsements and Dak was not. #10 only made $5 million in 2019 so Dak had to make less than that.

DallasEast · May 1, 2020

ChuckA1 said:
I'm not certain, but I believe Dak has done more endorsements than Brady. Should the extra money in endorsements enter into the equation? I guess I'm just dumb, but I can't see any real lifestyle difference taking $32, 33, 34 or 35 million a year. Nor can I see a difference in 105 million or 110 million in guaranteed money. If Dak can give a little to help the team, maybe the team will go out to five years, instead of six.

But really, this is all speculation as we know nothing about what the actual stumbling blocks are.

@jaythecowboy beat me too it. People will argue about the topic but comparing Brady's and Prescott's situations with their relative teams' salary caps is almost apples and oranges.

Endorsement monies is not the x-factor. Brady having a wealthy wife is the chief reason why Brady "offered" New England a "hometown discount". THAT is a very important factor that is either ignored or downplayed in these "what Prescott should do" conversations.

ChuckA1 · May 1, 2020

I hope it's OK to post this, but if not, please delete. This is certainly not chump change as some would have you believe. And I believe these endorsements aren't just because he's a professional QB. I believe they're this high because he's the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. So yes, I believe a team friendly deal is in order.

Cowboys' Dak Prescott earns $50M from endorsements amid contract talks: Report
Thomas Barrabi
Fox BusinessSeptember 9, 2019, 8:02 PM CDT

Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott was willing to enter the 2019 season without a long-sought contract extension because of his massive annual haul from multiple endorsement deals, according to a report on Sunday.

Prescott, 26, has endorsement deals with several top companies, including Campbell’s Chunky Soup, 7-Eleven, New Era caps, Sleep Number beds, Pepsi, Citi, and Oikos. Aside from those deals – many of which are in place for years to come – Prescott has taken out loss-of-value and disability insurance policies that will compensate him in the event of a career-ending injury.

Taken together, Prescott’s endorsement deals and insurance policies are worth more than $50 million, ESPN reported, citing league sources familiar with the matter. By comparison, Prescott is set to earn a base salary of slightly more than $2 million during the 2019 season.

EMMITTnROY · May 1, 2020

So what’s everyone’s prediction on Dak's contract? My guess is $35 million for 5 years but I really hope it’s more like $33 million.

Adreme · May 1, 2020

ChuckA1 said:
I hope it's OK to post this, but if not, please delete. This is certainly not chump change as some would have you believe. And I believe these endorsements aren't just because he's a professional QB. I believe they're this high because he's the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. So yes, I believe a team friendly deal is in order.

Cowboys' Dak Prescott earns $50M from endorsements amid contract talks: Report
Thomas Barrabi
Fox BusinessSeptember 9, 2019, 8:02 PM CDT

Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott was willing to enter the 2019 season without a long-sought contract extension because of his massive annual haul from multiple endorsement deals, according to a report on Sunday.

Prescott, 26, has endorsement deals with several top companies, including Campbell’s Chunky Soup, 7-Eleven, New Era caps, Sleep Number beds, Pepsi, Citi, and Oikos. Aside from those deals – many of which are in place for years to come – Prescott has taken out loss-of-value and disability insurance policies that will compensate him in the event of a career-ending injury.

Taken together, Prescott’s endorsement deals and insurance policies are worth more than $50 million, ESPN reported, citing league sources familiar with the matter. By comparison, Prescott is set to earn a base salary of slightly more than $2 million during the 2019 season.

The problem with that report is that its counting his insurance as income and insurance is not income if you do not collect it. They are taking an ESPN article with a slightly dishonest title and giving it a very dishonest title.

From what I have been able to find, the highest QB number for endorsements is 16m from Drew Brees. Dak is not in the top 10 for overall players and 10th is 5m per year so Dak by extension is making less than that.

Plankton · May 1, 2020

bcavi said:
So, as it has been projected, the salary cap will increase considerably next year. The Jonses say they need cap space to put players on this team to compete. Why are many of you believing the FO? They are playing mind games. They will not be limited by Dak's contract going forward. An agent worth his piss in the pot sees this, relays this to his client, and here we are. It should not be difficult to understand. Mahomes' and Watson's agent will do the same. They'd be foolish to sign a less than optimal deal right now. This is just logical.

I am not sure where many are getting Dak wants 40 mil, last I saw, it was 35 mil and the years are the hold up. Why would Dak want less years, because of future cap projections. He can renegotiate under the new CBA revenue structure, which would impact the salary cap moving forward. Some of you guys need to stop believing the lie this FO is spewing. Many of you are arguing the Jonses' points without really considering the reality of the situation. "Dak is average and we shouldn't pay him..." That argument is long in the tooth and dead.

The cap, in all likelihood, is going to shrink next year. Revenues for this season will be lower, if the season is played at all.

BigD_95 · May 1, 2020

DallasEast said:
My apologies. Concisely, the point is it highly likely Brady would have been asking for more money throughout his career if not for his wife.

Brady is correct in saying he is smart when it comes to past salary cap considerations with New England but his own words reflect his logic was/is indicative of his marital status. And he is right about that as well.

Any "Prescott should do what Brady has done" argument is fundamentally flawed if a Gisele counterpart for Prescott is not factored into it. A stronger, more relevant financial/salary cap argument of that type could be made if Prescott was as lucky as a son of a you-know-what as Brady has been as far as spouses are concerned.

I 100% agree that it is unreasonable to expect Dak to do what Brady did but taking a few million less than what he could get by a long hold out. Or signing a 5 year deal instead of a 4 is not asking him to do what Brady did.

bcavi · May 1, 2020

Plankton said:
The cap, in all likelihood, is going to shrink next year. Revenues for this season will be lower, if the season is played at all.

With record viewership this past draft, I'm not so sure it will shrink. The NFL seems to have a pretty significant fanbase, and if anything, once all this quarantine stuff is abated, it actually may increase more than projected.

Sevenup3000 · May 1, 2020

JBond said:
Back pay is a made up thing you created in your mind.

In the real world you are worth what someone is willing to pay you. Not more. He was a 4th rd pick developmental QB.

Granted... he turned out better than expected, but back pay is silly.

Missing the point entirely. It is not about back pay. Dak is not asking for back pay. I do not believe Dak is entitled to back pay.

HOWEVER, It is EQUALLY ridiculous to ask Dak to sign a 6 year contract because Wentz or Goff's contract WHEN Dak was not PAID anywhere near Wentz or Goff money.

That is the point.

Adreme · May 1, 2020

BigD_95 said:
I 100% agree that it is unreasonable to expect Dak to do what Brady did but taking a few million less than what he could get by a long hold out. Or signing a 5 year deal instead of a 4 is not asking him to do what Brady did.

Nobody is really signing a 5 year deal though so you are asking him to do something other players are not. Players as a group are signing 3 and 4 year deals so that they can cash in a second time (or in the case of a QB a 2nd and 3rd time).

DallasEast · May 1, 2020

BigD_95 said:
I 100% agree that it is unreasonable to expect Dak to do what Brady did but taking a few million less than what he could get by a long hold out. Or signing a 5 year deal instead of a 4 is not asking him to do what Brady did.

Time may prove me wrong but I am 95% certain Prescott will not hold out. My expectations are either a) he and Jones will come to an agreement before mid-July or b) he will sign the tag, possibly up to the maximum tags that can be applied to him, play, and then gamble on Jones or another team will meet his contract demands in the near future.

What is the maximum number of times can a vested veteran player can be tagged? Two? Maybe three? Perhaps seek a lucrative contract for the 2023 season at the most AFTER netting consecutive salaries within the top percentage of other starting quarterbacks. I will be surprised if he holds out. He can get paid and still use the same contract negotiating strategy each year he is tagged. If unsuccessful during the franchised years, he can extend his established stance and see if Jones will blink after the tags have expired.

Whatever may be actual sought after contractual term lengths (four, five, whatever) are simply part of the overall process.

buybuydandavis · May 1, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ys-evp-well-sign-prescott-at-the-right-number

I don't like the title. Sounds more presumptuous than what Stephen actually said:
"I totally believe we'll get Dak signed at the right number that's good for Dak, good for the Cowboys, good for this team."

The title makes it sounds like Stephen thinks getting Dak signed and at what number is all up to the team and Dak doesn't have a say in the matter.

buybuydandavis · May 1, 2020

DallasEast said:
Time may prove me wrong but I am 95% certain Prescott will not hold out. My expectations are either a) he and Jones will come to an agreement before mid-July or b) he will sign the tag, possibly up to the maximum tags that can be applied to him, play, and then gamble on Jones or another team will meet his contract demands in the near future.

Since last year, it's looked like to me that Dak would rather insure against injury and bet on a rising payscale than sign.

Dak played on a 2mil salary last year, and refused a 30mil/year+ contract. Why wouldn't he play on a guaranteed 30mil contract this year? Especially with the added toy of Lamb?

Typhus · May 1, 2020

Idgit said:
Sooner or later, this cat is going to climb down out of its tree. I do t see what the big hurry is. We can control his rights for the next two years at a number that’s comparable to what we’ve probably put on the table already.

Love him or not, that is the truth right there.. endless threads, opinions,, mind numbing at this point.

jaythecowboy · May 1, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Since last year, it's looked like to me that Dak would rather insure against injury and bet on a rising payscale than sign.

Dak played on a 2mil salary last year, and refused a 30mil/year+ contract. Why wouldn't he play on a guaranteed 30mil contract this year? Especially with the added toy of Lamb?

Exactly. If he was gonna hold out , he would have done it last year when he was only making $2 million. He'll sign the franchise tag in July if it comes to that, but he would rather get a deal done.

Cowboys been getting their big contracts done at the last minute. Zeke's deal got done right before week 1 of the regular season. D Law held off getting his surgery and the deal didn't get done until just in time for him to get the surgery and heal before the regular season. Amari Cooper had to enter free agency to get his money.

kskboys · May 1, 2020

DallasEast said:
My apologies. Concisely, the point is it highly likely Brady would have been asking for more money throughout his career if not for his wife.

Brady is correct in saying he is smart when it comes to past salary cap considerations with New England but his own words reflect his logic was/is indicative of his marital status. And he is right about that as well.

Any "Prescott should do what Brady has done" argument is fundamentally flawed if a Gisele counterpart for Prescott is not factored into it. A stronger, more relevant financial/salary cap argument of that type could be made if Prescott was as lucky as a son of a you-know-what as Brady has been as far as spouses are concerned.

Brady was taking less before Gisselle, so that argument is fundamentally flawed!!!!

jaythecowboy · May 1, 2020

kskboys said:
Brady was taking less before Gisselle, so that argument is fundamentally flawed!!!!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2054072

According to this article, Brady's 2005 deal was one of the top contracts in the league. The next deal he signed was after he married Gizelle in 2009.

News: NFL: Stephen Jones: We'll sign Prescott at the right number

Well-Known Member

Cowboys Diehard

Diehard

Well-Known Member

Cowboys 24/7/365

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Cowboys 24/7/365

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Captain Catfish

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member