Twitter: Fish: Dak wants $45m in 5th year

OmerV said:

Exactly. This really shouldn't shock anyone, because if, as has been reported, the hangup is the 5th year, the entire point of Dak wanting to stick to 4 years is so he can take advantage of the then current market when that 5th year rolls around. Accordingly, if the team wants to get that extra year there would need to be added incentive for
Dak to agree to it. Otherwise, just do the 4 year deal at a prices a little above what Wentz and Goff got for their 4 year deals.

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Like this isn’t even news lol duh he’s asking for 45, they are willing to give 43 by Mike’s previous report so don’t know why this is such a contentious disagreement.

KJJ said:

The only thing I blame the Joneses for is not trying to get a deal a lot sooner. They’ve sat around allowing other QBs to re-sign driving up the market. The market is just going to be driven up even higher once Mahomes and Watson sign. If the reports are accurate Dak is asking for an unreasonable amount of money.

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Unreasonable to you and me but not to him.

One thing posters here seem to forget, Prescott is not weighing his value against other QB's but where the salary level is for the top QB's, which is where he sees himself. Some don't think he's worth Rodgers or Wilson money and he doesn't agree. Neither would his Mom, the person that instilled that confidence in him.

I think it is completely unjustified any anger at Dak Prescott. He's not doing anything to the team, he's doing for himself. It is not his job to manage the cap for the Joneses, he didn't do the Lawrence, Smith, Collins or Elliott deals, but he and his agent watched them closely. The game isn't football. The game is getting as much of the man's money when they can. There is not an agent or player in the NFL that gives a damn about the team's cap. Especially one playing for a guy showing off drafting from his 250M boat.

Screw Booger, he's brought all of this on himself because he's a round heeled negotiator and doesn't understand the effect on all of the players. He made one the highest paid DE, another the highest paid RB and he's about to make the QB the same and he doesn't get the connection. What a clown, playing the "we've got to be able to put players around you, Dak". Yep, that's Booger's job, not Prescott's.

as a Dak fan, I think its time to move on, trade him for whatever, I'm honestly fed up with these contract demands. We can roll with Dalton for now, there will be other QB's to be had down the road.

“What Prescott agent Todd France is suggesting is this: Dak will take the four-year framework at $35 million ... and if Dallas wants the fifth year, the Cowboys must tack on $45 million more. Not "back-loaded.'' Not "in the fifth year'' but rather "as a reward, included in the overall deal, for doing the fifth year.''

Now do that math: 4 x $35 million = $140 million. Tack on another year and another $45 million = $185 million.

Meaning, in marrying Simms' rumor with our facts, Prescott is asking that a five-year agreement pay him $185 million.

Which equals $37 million a year. Which means the Cowboys (offering $35 million APY) are $2 mil per year away from an agreement.”

Per the article

"Raindrops and roses and crisp apple strudel"
"I think that Dak is off of his Noodle"
"All off that money tied up in Bling;..
Please play the Ginger and win us a Ring"

WillieBeamen said:

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before everybody over reacts (nah, this board never over reacts ), its not atypical of contracts to have a bloated last year, which allows the team to either extend and reduce cap hit, or let the player go. its kind of a poison pill for the contract, so the player has a way to get out of the contract and the team doesn't hold on to him because he is cheap....so I think that's the purpose of that ask

and before anybody says Patrick mahomes money...keep in mind, this will be 2025, and mahomes will be getting his contract in 2022 (if not this year) and he should break the 45 barrier by 2022.... by then 40-45 is around the range QBs might be looking to get paid at....

if in the next 4 years we don't get to superbowl, then the team and Dak can part ways. he gets to another contract sooner and we look for the next franchise QB (and a ten year search begins)

nightrain said:

Make it an option year and get him signed. I like a 4 year deal better anyway.

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What type of option, player or team? That will be another cause for debate between the two sides.

ksg811 said:

That's perfectly fine. That 5th year would be all non-guaranteed funny money. He'll be either extended or cut when his guarantees run out well before that 5th year anyway.

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glad somebody gets it.

CowboyChris said:

as a Dak fan, I think its time to move on, trade him for whatever, I'm honestly fed up with these contract demands. We can roll with Dalton for now, there will be other QB's to be had down the road.

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Yep, I would love to believe in Dak but he just did not pull out any games last year from the jaws of defeat. He pretty much shrunk with the opportunity. Could you win a SuperBowl with him - maybe, but I seriously doubt that it would be because of him so I would not put 100 million guaranteed in him!

Sydla said:

But by doing that, Dak is putting Dallas in a bind. If they give him that $45MM base salary in year 5 (that largely will not be guaranteed at inception), when Year 5 comes they have a dilemma.

- They could cut him to save the cap space but then would they do that if Dak is really good?

- They could restructure or extend but 1) Dak would have zero reason to extend because he's set to make $45MM in one season and then try to rake them over the coals in a new deal again 2) the Cowboys would have to drop their pants likely even more to get Dak to extend.

So the agents saying we will give you the 5th year at a ridiculous base salary (or roster bonus and base salary) is not much different than demanding a 4th year contract. Frankly, a 5th year at $45MM is even a better gig for Dak than a 4 year contract.

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Straight out of the CAA France playbook. I've said this for two years now, go look at what France did with Aaron Donald. The idea is to get the Cowboys into a position where they can't afford to cut Dak and so they must extend him and then, it's a terrible deal. France gets you over the barrel and signs his guy to a ridiculous deal, the team ends up wrecking there cap or cutting early, paying out the "you know what" and his client is free to sign another big deal in a few years. Essentially, if all works out right, you have a client who is signing 3 record setting deals in less then 10 years. Yeah, it's a good deal for the player and for the Agency but it's terrible for the teams.

JD_KaPow said:

The article covers this pretty well. Dak would prefer a 4-year deal. If they want a fifth year, he's asking for a contract $10 million higher than what they've offered ($185 vs. $175).

Sounds like
Cowboys offer: 5 years, $175, $105 guaranteed

Dak's offers:
4 years, $140 OR
5 years, $185

I don't know what the guarantees he's asking for are.

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I think his 4 year guarantee ask (100-110 range) is what Dallas is offering for 5 years, but only they know for sure.

RESCIND THE TAG AND LET HIM WALK!

slick325 said:

What type of option, player or team? That will be another cause for debate between the two sides.

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I believe it's usually an option for both. If one wants out, it's done.

John813 said:

Unless I read it wrong, they want the cap hit to be 45 mil in the 5th year.

asking for somewhere like north of $45 million in that fifth year'

Which doesn't mean much. In 2021 Big Ben and Matt Ryan have cap hits exceeding 40mil

2022 Kirk Cousins cap hit is 45mil

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well, actually the cap hit will be larger, although the salary ask is 45. the cap hit will be 1/5 of bonus that's paid up front + 45.

JD_KaPow said:

In 2024? I doubt $45M will look like a huge number then. So count me as one on this board who disagrees with you.

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Hate to stir the pot, but he might not even be a good starter in 5 years.
Hope he is, but that is not a lock.

cern said:

I don't think he's worth $45 million. I remember 8-8 last year.

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I remember 2 division titles and 13-3 hmmmm

CowboyChris said:

as a Dak fan, I think its time to move on, trade him for whatever, I'm honestly fed up with these contract demands. We can roll with Dalton for now, there will be other QB's to be had down the road.

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It looks like a new demand but I don't think it is. I don't think Prescott wanted anything beyond a 4 year deal and they've been stuck with trying to get more because they don't want to be back here in 4 years. If this is true that he wants 45M, I think his agent fired back what it will take for that 5th year and it's all about the guarantee that also got adjusted.

Chris, don't get pissed at Prescott. He's not the one using the media to negotiate. Under normal circumstances and not this clown act of the Joneses, we wouldn't even know what's going on behind that curtain. It would be quiet and then a deal would be announced but they can't stop trying to dominate any NFL news they can.

DFWJC said:

Hate to stir the pot, but he might not even be a good starter in 5 years.
Hope he is, but that is not a lock.

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Nothing is a lock

ABQCOWBOY said:

No, it's not irrelevant. Come on guys, do your homework. If a deal is really only 5 years in name, that means that you have to figure out a way to make the money work with the cap in 4 years and really, it's 3 because in that 4th year, you are trying to get a restructure done. Upfront money matters.

The Cowboys use 5 year deals to create cap by using extensions and pushing money out into future cap years. This kind of deal negates any of that and brings all of the pressure of the salary hit into a 3 or 4 year period. This is a bad deal because it basically ruins the way in which the Cowboys manage their cap. This is an attempt to entice the team to just do a 4 year deal and allow them to get back to the table in actually 3 years IMO.

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Stop thinking of it as a 5 year deal. It's their agreed upon 4 year deal with a fake 1/$45m option purely for 5th year of proration. Let me do a quick breakdown.

Let's use a 4 year $140 million base contract with a $113 million guaranteed $60 million signing bonus. As a 4 year contract, it could break down as follows:

Year 1 - $15m SB proration + $10m salary = $25m cap hit
Year 2 - $15m SB proration + $20m salary = $35m cap hit
Year 3 - $15m SB proration + $23m salary = $38m cap hit
Year 4 - $15m SB proration + $27m salary = $42m cap hit

Now if we take the same 4/140 and just add a fake year at $45 million dollars turns it to 5/185 with the same $60m bonus and $113m guaranteed.

Year 1 - $12m SB proration + $10m salary = $22m cap hit
Year 2 - $12m SB proration + $20m salary = $32m cap hit
Year 3 - $12m SB proration + $23m salary = $35m cap hit
Year 4 - $12m SB proration + $27m salary = $39m cap hit
Year 5 - $12m SB proration + $45m salary = $57m cap hit

Dak gets the same $140 million dollars over 4 years and $113 millon guaranteed over 3 years. The only difference is the Cowboys get an additional $12 million in cap space over those 4 years with the same flexibility to exten or cut him after 3 years when his guarantees run out.

Now if he demands more guaranteed money on top of the $45 million dollar 5th year, then that's a different argument. If that's the case, the Cowboys could simply do what I've been arguing for all along; add a 5th year to their agreed upon 4 year deal that automatically voids on the first day of 2024. Dak gets his 4 year deal, Dalls gets their 5th proration year, and neither side can use the 5th year as leverage.

JD_KaPow said:

The article covers this pretty well. Dak would prefer a 4-year deal. If they want a fifth year, he's asking for a contract $10 million higher than what they've offered ($185 vs. $175).

Sounds like
Cowboys offer: 5 years, $175, $105 guaranteed

Dak's offers:
4 years, $140 OR
5 years, $185

I don't know what the guarantees he's asking for are.

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If there are no guarantees left in that fifth year other than a portion of his signing bonus, Dallas can make it $50 million for all I care.

All either number does is iesure Dallas will either renegotiate or cut him. This is about what I've been saying the deal would look like. The total guaranteed would be the number to watch.