Jonesitis of the Offense Has Infected Cowboy Fans

cern · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
Your response shows that your argument, not reading with understanding, and comprehension is WAKHAKWI-MES.

Sez you.

Lutonio · Jun 9, 2020

And they should switch back to leather helmets, dagnabbit!

blueblood70 · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The majority of the post I see are about offensive players QB, RB, OL, TE, and WR. But the first pick in Dallas Cowboys draft History was DL Bob Lilly. The Cowboys have chosen with the 1st overall pick 1 QB and 2 DL. Both Landry and Jimmy Johnson selected DL with the no.1 overall pick in Ed Jones and Russell Maryland. The Cowboys famous Dirty Dozen draft was headlined by 1st round pick Randy White. The first significant Cowboys free agent signing was DB Deion Sanders. They traded for defensive players on other teams that are in the Ring of Honor (Chuck Howley and Charles Haley). One is the only Super Bowl MVP on a losing team and the other has the most Super Bowl Rings by a Defensive player.

So why Cowboy fans caught this infectious disease from Jerry Dumbo GM Jones about focus on offensive players? Defense wins championships. Jerry would not had a 3rd Super Bowl after firing Jimmy Johnson without Deion and win a 1st without Johnson trading for Charles Haley. How did those trades for Joey Galloway, and Roy Williams WR work out?

With all the hype about CeeDee Lamb, Cooper, Dak, Elliott, the OL, etc. who is going to stop the other team from scoring more points than the Cowboys and bring that Dallas Doomsday scenario for the 2020 season? The Cowboys will have 3 new starters in the secondary of which 2 could be rookies, 3 new starters on the DL of which none were on the team last year, played for losing teams, will be rookies, or 1st year starters. Neither Smith, Vander Esch, or Lee has started or completed the season as starters from the prior year (2 full seasons in a row together). When was the last time Cowboy fans said our defense makes us Super Bowl contenders?

So I do not know where this Super Bowl talk is coming from the Cowboy Village at the Star. The Cowboys need difference makers, game changers, and reliable (not off the team or in the tub) players on defense to challenge for a Super Bowl. Until you see that problem solved, there will be no joy in Cowboyville tonight.

pretty sure some of their top defensive guys were taken right before they picked or someone jumped and traded and got them forcing them to BPA which was offense..Bosa, Shazier and a few other come to mind..it wasn't favoring the offense you need great players all over and it worked out that way..

remember ware? Mo Claiborne was a miss more so from injurys , Newman, didnt bill get 2 DL in the first round ware and then that DT who played well..BJ was taken in te first , taco bad pick but was defense was is not?

swing and a miss OP you forget the why we ended up with some of those picks and forget we did pick others even if they didnt work out..stuff hapens to all teams, when the last forst round qb taken? Troy?..

drafts are not guarnateed but i can say this they have got some great OL, Zeke was not bad pick, and now CEEdEE not mistakes bud..

leyt the jones hate percolate but our drafts the last 5-6 years have been pretty darn good..

Redball Express · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The majority of the post I see are about offensive players QB, RB, OL, TE, and WR. But the first pick in Dallas Cowboys draft History was DL Bob Lilly. The Cowboys have chosen with the 1st overall pick 1 QB and 2 DL. Both Landry and Jimmy Johnson selected DL with the no.1 overall pick in Ed Jones and Russell Maryland. The Cowboys famous Dirty Dozen draft was a] headlined by 1st round pick Randy White. The first significant Cowboys free agent signing was DB Deion Sanders. They traded for defensive players on other teams that are in the Ring of Honor (Chuck Howley and Charles Haley). One is the only Super Bowl MVP on a losing team and the other has the most Super Bowl Rings by a Defensive player.

So why Cowboy fans caught this infectious disease from Jerry Dumbo GM Jones about focus on offensive players? Defense wins championships. Jerry would not had a 3rd Super Bowl after firing Jimmy Johnson without Deion and win a 1st without Johnson trading for Charles Haley. How did those trades for Joey Galloway, and Roy Williams WR work out?

With all the hype about CeeDee Lamb, Cooper, Dak, Elliott, the OL, etc. who is going to stop the other team from scoring more points than the Cowboys and bring that Dallas Doomsday scenario for the 2020 season? The Cowboys will have 3 new starters in the secondary of which 2 could be rookies, 3 new starters on the DL of which none were on the team last year, played for losing teams, will be rookies, or 1st year starters. Neither Smith, Vander Esch, or Lee has started or completed the season as starters from the prior year (2 full seasons in a row together). When was the last time Cowboy fans said our defense makes us Super Bowl contenders?

So I do not know where this Super Bowl talk is coming from the Cowboy Village at the Star. The Cowboys need difference makers, game changers, and reliable (not off the team or in the tub) players on defense to challenge for a Super Bowl. Until you see that problem solved, there will be no joy in Cowboyville tonight.

I will fundamentally agree.

And to further understand the hellpit more..

If this team goes ahead and pays Dak his deal for either 4 or 5 or 6 years..

forget about this team for the next 5-7 yesrs.

If we pay out $35-45 mil each year to Dak..

For 4-6 years..there is literally no money to sign anybody with over that time. Sure the cap will increase but Dak is factoring those increases into HIS deal.

Not anybody else. People want to compare Dak to Brady. Ridiculous.

Or Maholmes. Ridiculous again.

Brady has won 6 SBs. took artificially low pay as his wife makes 5 times his money. He did not need the money. The tax man would just take it.

Maholmes? He has MVPs and now a SB ring in his first 3 years.

Dak? Beat Detroit in the first round then Seattle win and never made it past the first round of the playoffs anymore.

So building the defense may sound great but Jerrah want money. Ticket sales, commercials, advertising rights, Sky Boxes sold, you name it.

In Dallas it is not about winning.

It's about unlimited wealth. Remember the old TV show called Dallas?

Think Jerrah and Stephen and his wife the art buyer.

It is what it is.

We will be looking at Youtube for years hoping our team will win again.

The original Cowboy fans are all in their 60s-80s and thinning out quick.

It's all a new generation of fans that really do not know this team very well.

Sad.

:grin:

cern · Jun 9, 2020

Often times the pick you want is gone when it's your turn. So you go to plan b.

Whirlwin · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The majority of the post I see are about offensive players QB, RB, OL, TE, and WR. But the first pick in Dallas Cowboys draft History was DL Bob Lilly. The Cowboys have chosen with the 1st overall pick 1 QB and 2 DL. Both Landry and Jimmy Johnson selected DL with the no.1 overall pick in Ed Jones and Russell Maryland. The Cowboys famous Dirty Dozen draft was headlined by 1st round pick Randy White. The first significant Cowboys free agent signing was DB Deion Sanders. They traded for defensive players on other teams that are in the Ring of Honor (Chuck Howley and Charles Haley). One is the only Super Bowl MVP on a losing team and the other has the most Super Bowl Rings by a Defensive player.

So why Cowboy fans caught this infectious disease from Jerry Dumbo GM Jones about focus on offensive players? Defense wins championships. Jerry would not had a 3rd Super Bowl after firing Jimmy Johnson without Deion and win a 1st without Johnson trading for Charles Haley. How did those trades for Joey Galloway, and Roy Williams WR work out?

With all the hype about CeeDee Lamb, Cooper, Dak, Elliott, the OL, etc. who is going to stop the other team from scoring more points than the Cowboys and bring that Dallas Doomsday scenario for the 2020 season? The Cowboys will have 3 new starters in the secondary of which 2 could be rookies, 3 new starters on the DL of which none were on the team last year, played for losing teams, will be rookies, or 1st year starters. Neither Smith, Vander Esch, or Lee has started or completed the season as starters from the prior year (2 full seasons in a row together). When was the last time Cowboy fans said our defense makes us Super Bowl contenders?

So I do not know where this Super Bowl talk is coming from the Cowboy Village at the Star. The Cowboys need difference makers, game changers, and reliable (not off the team or in the tub) players on defense to challenge for a Super Bowl. Until you see that problem solved, there will be no joy in Cowboyville tonight.

It’s about how you build your offense, your defense. Where do you put your draft picks the money for free agency. I think the mindset was you can always steal a defensive player. But it takes intelligence to run an offense. I’m not saying defense is Dumb.

DeaconBlues · Jun 9, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Troy retired after the 2000 season. Tony was signed in 2004, started 10 games in 2006 so really, it was less then 5 seasons but I gave the benefit of when Tony actually became a starter for us. So it was actually only 3 years between Troy and Tony but whose counting? But more to the point, the 2 or 3 seasons I referenced in my earlier post was the time between Danny and Troy. Danny White retired after 1988 season but he never started a game in 1988 and in 86 and 87, he was off and on. I guess technically, there was no gap between Troy and Danny but really, there was because of injury. So if you want to say you always chuckle when people post stuff that is easily fact checked because there was no gap, I suppose I could live with that. Of course, then you would have to come to grips that I didn't really check dates before I posted, I just posted what I remembered. But you fact checked and still, the dates are inaccurate.

OK then.........

Nice you admitted the error. Most can’t or won’t.

BrassCowboy · Jun 9, 2020

cern said:
Did you forget troy aikman. First pick in entire draft. That same year steve Walsh with supplemental draft.

conner01 · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The majority of the post I see are about offensive players QB, RB, OL, TE, and WR. But the first pick in Dallas Cowboys draft History was DL Bob Lilly. The Cowboys have chosen with the 1st overall pick 1 QB and 2 DL. Both Landry and Jimmy Johnson selected DL with the no.1 overall pick in Ed Jones and Russell Maryland. The Cowboys famous Dirty Dozen draft was headlined by 1st round pick Randy White. The first significant Cowboys free agent signing was DB Deion Sanders. They traded for defensive players on other teams that are in the Ring of Honor (Chuck Howley and Charles Haley). One is the only Super Bowl MVP on a losing team and the other has the most Super Bowl Rings by a Defensive player.

So why Cowboy fans caught this infectious disease from Jerry Dumbo GM Jones about focus on offensive players? Defense wins championships. Jerry would not had a 3rd Super Bowl after firing Jimmy Johnson without Deion and win a 1st without Johnson trading for Charles Haley. How did those trades for Joey Galloway, and Roy Williams WR work out?

With all the hype about CeeDee Lamb, Cooper, Dak, Elliott, the OL, etc. who is going to stop the other team from scoring more points than the Cowboys and bring that Dallas Doomsday scenario for the 2020 season? The Cowboys will have 3 new starters in the secondary of which 2 could be rookies, 3 new starters on the DL of which none were on the team last year, played for losing teams, will be rookies, or 1st year starters. Neither Smith, Vander Esch, or Lee has started or completed the season as starters from the prior year (2 full seasons in a row together). When was the last time Cowboy fans said our defense makes us Super Bowl contenders?

So I do not know where this Super Bowl talk is coming from the Cowboy Village at the Star. The Cowboys need difference makers, game changers, and reliable (not off the team or in the tub) players on defense to challenge for a Super Bowl. Until you see that problem solved, there will be no joy in Cowboyville tonight.

This years first pick would have been defense but lamb was too good to pass up

kskboys · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The majority of the post I see are about offensive players QB, RB, OL, TE, and WR. But the first pick in Dallas Cowboys draft History was DL Bob Lilly. The Cowboys have chosen with the 1st overall pick 1 QB and 2 DL. Both Landry and Jimmy Johnson selected DL with the no.1 overall pick in Ed Jones and Russell Maryland. The Cowboys famous Dirty Dozen draft was headlined by 1st round pick Randy White. The first significant Cowboys free agent signing was DB Deion Sanders. They traded for defensive players on other teams that are in the Ring of Honor (Chuck Howley and Charles Haley). One is the only Super Bowl MVP on a losing team and the other has the most Super Bowl Rings by a Defensive player.

So why Cowboy fans caught this infectious disease from Jerry Dumbo GM Jones about focus on offensive players? Defense wins championships. Jerry would not had a 3rd Super Bowl after firing Jimmy Johnson without Deion and win a 1st without Johnson trading for Charles Haley. How did those trades for Joey Galloway, and Roy Williams WR work out?

With all the hype about CeeDee Lamb, Cooper, Dak, Elliott, the OL, etc. who is going to stop the other team from scoring more points than the Cowboys and bring that Dallas Doomsday scenario for the 2020 season? The Cowboys will have 3 new starters in the secondary of which 2 could be rookies, 3 new starters on the DL of which none were on the team last year, played for losing teams, will be rookies, or 1st year starters. Neither Smith, Vander Esch, or Lee has started or completed the season as starters from the prior year (2 full seasons in a row together). When was the last time Cowboy fans said our defense makes us Super Bowl contenders?

So I do not know where this Super Bowl talk is coming from the Cowboy Village at the Star. The Cowboys need difference makers, game changers, and reliable (not off the team or in the tub) players on defense to challenge for a Super Bowl. Until you see that problem solved, there will be no joy in Cowboyville tonight.

Pretty much agree. Since we've started focusing on O, playoff appearances/wins have been mighty sparse.

kskboys · Jun 9, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
KC's defense was similar to ours across the board last season

We had no one similar to Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Tyrann Mathieu, or even Daniel Thorenson. Our D was not similar to theirs at all.

CowboyRoy · Jun 9, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The majority of the post I see are about offensive players QB, RB, OL, TE, and WR. But the first pick in Dallas Cowboys draft History was DL Bob Lilly. The Cowboys have chosen with the 1st overall pick 1 QB and 2 DL. Both Landry and Jimmy Johnson selected DL with the no.1 overall pick in Ed Jones and Russell Maryland. The Cowboys famous Dirty Dozen draft was headlined by 1st round pick Randy White. The first significant Cowboys free agent signing was DB Deion Sanders. They traded for defensive players on other teams that are in the Ring of Honor (Chuck Howley and Charles Haley). One is the only Super Bowl MVP on a losing team and the other has the most Super Bowl Rings by a Defensive player.

So why Cowboy fans caught this infectious disease from Jerry Dumbo GM Jones about focus on offensive players? Defense wins championships. Jerry would not had a 3rd Super Bowl after firing Jimmy Johnson without Deion and win a 1st without Johnson trading for Charles Haley. How did those trades for Joey Galloway, and Roy Williams WR work out?

With all the hype about CeeDee Lamb, Cooper, Dak, Elliott, the OL, etc. who is going to stop the other team from scoring more points than the Cowboys and bring that Dallas Doomsday scenario for the 2020 season? The Cowboys will have 3 new starters in the secondary of which 2 could be rookies, 3 new starters on the DL of which none were on the team last year, played for losing teams, will be rookies, or 1st year starters. Neither Smith, Vander Esch, or Lee has started or completed the season as starters from the prior year (2 full seasons in a row together). When was the last time Cowboy fans said our defense makes us Super Bowl contenders?

So I do not know where this Super Bowl talk is coming from the Cowboy Village at the Star. The Cowboys need difference makers, game changers, and reliable (not off the team or in the tub) players on defense to challenge for a Super Bowl. Until you see that problem solved, there will be no joy in Cowboyville tonight.

lol.....so because some weren’t on the team last year they suck? Your post stoped making sense about half way through.

CowboyRoy · Jun 9, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
I'm the captain of The Improve the Defense Movement, but you absolutely draft CeeDee Lamb at 17 in the scenario that played out.

They made the right move. They also drafted defense with 4 of their next 5 picks.

Plus, adding three defensive starters (Poe, McCoy, Clinton-Dix), possibly a fourth (Worley) in free agency.

The defense's biggest problem was Marinelli's dinosaur scheme and his complete inability to adjust to what modern day offenses do.

had we taken tj watt over taco, taken a safety over hill and taken Ramsey over Zeke this defense would be young and stacked. Might be unstoppable with MM as coach.

darthseinfeld · Jun 9, 2020

kskboys said:
We had no one similar to Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Tyrann Mathieu, or even Daniel Thorenson. Our D was not similar to theirs at all.

They are compareable in every statistical category. The only category KC has a clear advantage is takeaways, and KC was only middle of the pack. For all those players you named, KC defense was very average

big dog cowboy · Jun 9, 2020

Redball Express said:
If this team goes ahead and pays Dak his deal for either 4 or 5 or 6 years..

forget about this team for the next 5-7 yesrs.

If we pay out $35-45 mil each year to Dak..

For 4-6 years..there is literally no money to sign anybody with over that time.

Clearly you don't understand how the salary cap works. There will always be money available to sign their free agents and others. There is no salary cap hell and Dak's new deal won't cripple the team. This has been proven many times already these last few months.

the playmaker · Jun 10, 2020

Redball Express said:
I will fundamentally agree.

And to further understand the hellpit more..

If this team goes ahead and pays Dak his deal for either 4 or 5 or 6 years..

forget about this team for the next 5-7 yesrs.

If we pay out $35-45 mil each year to Dak..

For 4-6 years..there is literally no money to sign anybody with over that time. Sure the cap will increase but Dak is factoring those increases into HIS deal.

Not anybody else. People want to compare Dak to Brady. Ridiculous.

Or Maholmes. Ridiculous again.

Brady has won 6 SBs. took artificially low pay as his wife makes 5 times his money. He did not need the money. The tax man would just take it.

Maholmes? He has MVPs and now a SB ring in his first 3 years.

Dak? Beat Detroit in the first round then Seattle win and never made it past the first round of the playoffs anymore.

So building the defense may sound great but Jerrah want money. Ticket sales, commercials, advertising rights, Sky Boxes sold, you name it.

In Dallas it is not about winning.

It's about unlimited wealth. Remember the old TV show called Dallas?

Think Jerrah and Stephen and his wife the art buyer.

It is what it is.

We will be looking at Youtube for years hoping our team will win again.

The original Cowboy fans are all in their 60s-80s and thinning out quick.

It's all a new generation of fans that really do not know this team very well.

Sad.

great post!!!!!!!!!
(bold) 25 years of "NO SB win"....Jerrah is a business man....He never care about OUR Cowboys football team

CowboyoWales · Jun 10, 2020

conner01 said:
This years first pick would have been defense but lamb was too good to pass up

Dead right.

It's like having a strategy and changing with the environment.

Now we have drafted an elite WR (instead of much needed DEFENCE) …. which IMO was the correct decision, next question is DEFENCE.

Seeing as we projected going into 2020 with Coops/Gallup and now have Lamb focus on D (even looking at possible trades for Coops/Gallup).

Our Defensive problems are just around the corner.

CowboyoWales · Jun 10, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Clearly you don't understand how the salary cap works. There will always be money available to sign their free agents and others. There is no salary cap hell and Dak's new deal won't cripple the team. This has been proven many times already these last few months.

Lovely generic comment that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Well it does, if NFL allow us not to play any Defence.

Vegas_Cowboy · Jun 10, 2020

I agree that defense wins championships and Jerry seems to be more attracted to shiny objects on offense. However, the CeeDee Lamb pick was a no brainer.

atlantacowboy · Jun 10, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
What does that have to do with QBs? I implied nothing. I didn't even bring up this ridiculous angle. You did that.

If you are a bad team, what's the first thing you do? You make sure you have your QB. That's what Jimmy did. Steve Walsh was insurance, in terms of how Jimmy thought. The guy couldn't beat out Troy but lets face it, nobody could in those days. He got traded to the Saints for a 1st and a 3rd and he went on to play in the NFL for 10 years. Again I ask, how do you not see that as value?

The problem here is that you want to see it as such. That's fine with me, there are plenty of other QBs on my list. You can compare them and leave out Walsh if you like. What other team has produced as many decent QBs in the NFL?

You started the absurdity by including Steve Walsh in a list of Cowboy Qbs. Walsh had "value" for the Saints, but for Dallas he was a wash at best.

I'm not criticizing Jimmy Johnson, but you can't throw out the draft picks we got for Walsh as if they came at no cost to us. That cost was the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft. Did Jimmy know that at the time? It doesn't matter since we are having this convo using our 20/20 hindsight.

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