Recap: JJT: Whispers From The Star 6/12

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Cant tell the Joneses things cant be done?

Wow really?

You cant play the role of bad guy GM and still be buddies with the players?

When the team isnt playing well, you cant push your product as an owner and not have the players think its ok to be bad?

(The answer is maybe just shut your mouth all the time like every other owner in pro sports)

Full contact practices yet be six feet apart?

My name is Jerry Jones, dont tell me it cant be done.
 

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Thanks for sharing as always - You and 817, continue to amaze me as to how you can format Whispers from the Star so quickly and fully as close to Jean Jacque Taylor's Whispering comments as possible.
:thumbup:

And just in time too, as JTT and Matt will be taking all next week off -so unfortunately there will likely be no
"whispers from the Star" next week with ESPN's Chuck Cooperstein set to fill in.
 

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Okay, folks. I'm back and ready to recap yesterday's segment. I apologize for the delay. Tis the season for hours of yardwork, grilling, chilling on the lake, and beers by the pool!

Let's go:

1. Mike McCarthy is back in town and had at least one Zoom call with the team last week that JJT knows of and gave a raw, impassioned message to the team, mainly discussing the current state of society and the George Floyd killing, and the aftermath that we are currently experiencing in the present days. Players seemed to take well to it. JJT noted that there are some teams like the Saints bringing in celebrities like Shaquille O'Neal and even Spike Lee to speak to the players, but Dallas is opting to keep things in house and personal amongst themselves. This did give JJT a chance to point out that no Dallas personnel has yet to go full Drew Brees and air out an unpopular opinion in the media on the matter for all teammates to hear. Pretty impressive stuff for the most visible sports team in the world. With the situation in New Orleans, Sean Payton is likely playing damage control with his guys, and we haven't really had the need to go that route yet thankfully.

Pretty refreshing to hear rumors from insiders like JJT that McCarthy seems to be building some clout in the locker room as well, albeit via the internet.

2. Dallas has apparently always really emphasized mental health within their organization and have been on the cutting edge really for the last two decades or so. Jerry Jones has always had psychiatrists available for players to speak to to evaluate any problems that they may be having internally. Supposedly, Dallas has been involved with evaluating mental health longer than most teams, and Jerry actually just hired on another big name doctor to evaluate and work with the players. JJT notes that it can be difficult for guys as young as 21-22 years old that came from extremely humble beginnings and less than favorable backgrounds to be all of a sudden cashing checks for millions of dollars, while still being expected to do the right things as people.

This fact almost makes me wonder if this is why Jerry often takes his chances with, what fans and media describe as "head cases." For years, I've just thought Jerry likes the attention of signing the "crazy" players, but it appears he actually believes in what his organization can do on the mental health front. If he can land great talent, while also helping a player battle his own personal demons and put him in an environment to succeed, it's a win for everyone involved in my opinion. I also wonder if being a mental health advocate could be Jimmy Johnson's influence as well. As most know, Jimmy Johnson received his degree in Psychology and was fully prepared to attend grad school and become an industrial psychologist himself. A coach at Louisiana Tech, however, had a heart attack, and the HC hired Jimmy on to help teach the players the defense, and the rest, as they say, is history. The HOF has spoken.

3. We all heard John Harbaugh whining about the new guidelines in the league this week on the Baltimore sports radio station, as I believe he called them "humanly impossible." I think the main issue he had was that players are expected to have physical, padded practices, but are also expected to social distance in the locker rooms and beyond. JJT asked a source about this, and what he thought. The source noted that they are constantly doing off the wall things for the benefit of the team, and these hurdles caused by COVID will be no different. At the Star, everyone under the Joneses has a "just get it done" attitude. Nobody in any department is going to tell the Joneses that anything is impossible. They're going to roll with the punches and take these challenges as they come. The source did note that they have plenty of space at their current facility, and should be able to accommodate anything they're trying to do with the players.

4. JJT basically stressed pass defense and turnovers here. He and Matt had some banter here about sacks, and how they're the sexy stat that every fan of defensive football stresses over, but in actuality takeaways and not allowing the big completions are far more important, as it translates into winning. JJT noted that 6 of the top 10 teams in sacks last season didn't even make the playoffs. I think he had mentioned during Rod's best year as DC in terms of points allowed, they were hardly able to generate any turnovers. Either way, it's Mike Nolan's job now to fix this defense into a unit we all know they're capable of being.

I, personally, think defense at any level is very important. Pass rush/sacks has a lot to do with pass defense, but I think that this segment was only mentioned in haste for Matt to go into depth about some research he had done on sacking the QB. JJT hardly did much talking here.

And that's it folks!

https://www.kesn1033.com/2020/06/12...protests-insight-on-sack-philosophy-and-more/

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1).
i do wonder how much value and impact Ron Davis, McCarthy's new locker room brain trust is already bringing to the Cowboys organization already with all that is still transpiring with injustice backlash that's become so global now. With Jerry's mysterious silent treatment currently being a factor, the subjects at hand is not gonna hit full blast until football opens up here in camp, imo.

2) i like to follow up with Broaddus mentioning that Cowboys have brought in other guys as team mentors, a role that Calvin Hill has had here for quite some time now. Sure Hill is not a medical psychologist, but from what i understood his role here has been what McCarthy hopes to bring in new mentor Ron Davis (who was also given title of Assist. HC, though he is no NFL football coach) i could be mistaken but in an interview per late Night Hype crew show on YouTube, Broaddus seemed to imply that Hill is no longer here via McCarthy's men now in place.

3). i don't pay Ravens HC Harbaugh any attention as he has a history of questioning and challenging the NFL and really wants to run and twist guidelines and regulations to benefit his team vs obliging to same rules as every other NFL teams has to.

4). i would like to know about the offenses of those sack teams that did not make the playoffs.Could sack-teams been overwhelmed by staying on field too long because of their lackluster offense ?
While i do believe in a must have secondary that can hold their own in coverages, i also believe that a furious relentless pass rush can also mask and hide coverage deficiences, to a certain degree.
Sack strip fumbles lead to turnovers and hurried errand throws can lead to INTs - given you have the ball hawks to do so.
 

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I agree completely. I am a clinical psychologist and know from working with other professionals that the field of psychology is very diverse. Not only is there industrial psychology but other fields including social psychology, health psychology, forensics psychology, neuro-psychology, cultural psychology, school psychology, etc.

I think Jerry Jones' support of the mental health of his players indicates his overall commitment to winning and what's best for the team. That is one of Jerry's most impressive traits, which is his willingness to utilize as many resources as possible for the betterment of his organization. In my opinion, it is one of the reasons why he is seen as a leader among NFL owners.

They have also had partial success with guys like Rolando McClain that gave Dallas a very solid season when no one in the NFL wanted to take a chance on him. He did flame out eventually but Dallas still got more out of him than anyone else.

Jerry has plenty of faults but he will do everything possible to win and anyone around the team or the NFL will agree with that. He also supports players when they are down and out, Josh Brent hit rock bottom and working a manual labor job when they brought him into the scouting department to give him support and direction. The average fan never sees things like that or doesn't pay attention - but the players certainly do.
 

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I agree completely. I am a clinical psychologist and know from working with other professionals that the field of psychology is very diverse. Not only is there industrial psychology but other fields including social psychology, health psychology, forensics psychology, neuro-psychology, cultural psychology, school psychology, etc.

I think Jerry Jones' support of the mental health of his players indicates his overall commitment to winning and what's best for the team. That is one of Jerry's most impressive traits, which is his willingness to utilize as many resources as possible for the betterment of his organization. In my opinion, it is one of the reasons why he is seen as a leader among NFL owners.


I hear you on supporting Jerry's support for mental health... but if he's just employing psychiatrists then he's got it wrong. You need a person who can prescribe but probably more of a need for sports psychologists, counseling psych dealing with relationships, substance use, ... even sexuality. Probably folks in social work as well.
 

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I hear you on supporting Jerry's support for mental health... but if he's just employing psychiatrists then he's got it wrong. You need a person who can prescribe but probably more of a need for sports psychologists, counseling psych dealing with relationships, substance use, ... even sexuality. Probably folks in social work as well.
I don’t think it is just psychiatrists but the others like you said. The thing is now some of the above you mention can do all of that except prescribe meds.
 

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I don’t think it is just psychiatrists but the others like you said. The thing is now some of the above you mention can do all of that except prescribe meds.

Its just sorta a ignorant post. You'd like rely far more on psychologists and social workers. Psychiatrists are focused on mental illness ... and you aren't gonna have enough people needing those services to focus on that aspect
 

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INTs not only way to create turnovers. Jamal Adams is the best playmaking DB since he entered the league. #1 in sacks, tackles, snaps and #2 in FF. His domination at his position has rarely been seen for a 3 year player.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ts-emotional-playmaking-bright-spot/40623467/



If Cowboys traded forJamal Adams, he would be the best player on D. And its undisputed leader. At age 24.

Too costly (draft picks in trade & salary). Cowboys already said they are not interested (obviously for those reasons).
 

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Too costly (draft picks in trade & salary). Cowboys already said they are not interested (obviously for those reasons).

Cowboys have an extra 3rd. And Jamal Adams is the best SS in the game, still 24, worth 1st and 3rd.

15M for best young DB in game is achievable by dumping Crawford (8M), signing Dak and extending Zack Martin.

Cowboys should be in win now mode. Stephen has always bragged that there is always a way to make salary work for the right player.

Time to put money where his mouth is.
 

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How imaginative, I have never seen the Madden response.:rolleyes:

The addition of Clowney would immediately upgrade D. And his price is likely coming down as the season approaches.

But you keep doing you. I'm sure you said same about acquiring McCoy and Poe.:cool:

https://nflspinzone.com/2020/06/14/dallas-cowboys-free-agents-sign-before-camp/
 

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Cowboys have an extra 3rd. And Jamal Adams is the best SS in the game, still 24, worth 1st and 3rd.

15M for best young DB in game is achievable by dumping Crawford (8M), signing Dak and extending Zack Martin.

Cowboys should be in win now mode. Stephen has always bragged that there is always a way to make salary work for the right player.

Time to put money where his mouth is.
That might work. Salary cap for sure would be just about full for the next 4-5 years. Risky but might be worth it. The next several months before the trade deadline will be interesting.
 

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How imaginative, I have never seen the Madden response.:rolleyes:

No, I'm sure you've seen it a whole bunch. Maybe it will eventually register why?

The addition of Clowney would immediately upgrade D. And his price is likely coming down as the season approaches.

'Down', yeah to the first sucker team willing to pay him $15 million a year for disappointment. It won't be the Cowboys.

But you keep doing you.

And you keep playing 'Madden football', pretending that the salary cap doesn't exist and chasing after the next 'shiny object'.

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I'm sure you said same about acquiring McCoy and Poe.:cool:

Yeah? Back up yet another ridiculous claim. Find where I said any such thing. Or maybe shut up.
 

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Its just sorta a ignorant post. You'd like rely far more on psychologists and social workers. Psychiatrists are focused on mental illness ... and you aren't gonna have enough people needing those services to focus on that aspect
Right. That is what I said or met. Psychiatrists are the only one that can prescribe meds and they do some counseling. Psychologists and social workers focus on the counseling aspect more. There are lot more of them than they are psychiatrists for obvious reasons.
 

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Okay, folks. I'm back and ready to recap yesterday's segment. I apologize for the delay. Tis the season for hours of yardwork, grilling, chilling on the lake, and beers by the pool!

Let's go:

1. Mike McCarthy is back in town and had at least one Zoom call with the team last week that JJT knows of and gave a raw, impassioned message to the team, mainly discussing the current state of society and the George Floyd killing, and the aftermath that we are currently experiencing in the present days. Players seemed to take well to it. JJT noted that there are some teams like the Saints bringing in celebrities like Shaquille O'Neal and even Spike Lee to speak to the players, but Dallas is opting to keep things in house and personal amongst themselves. This did give JJT a chance to point out that no Dallas personnel has yet to go full Drew Brees and air out an unpopular opinion in the media on the matter for all teammates to hear. Pretty impressive stuff for the most visible sports team in the world. With the situation in New Orleans, Sean Payton is likely playing damage control with his guys, and we haven't really had the need to go that route yet thankfully.

Pretty refreshing to hear rumors from insiders like JJT that McCarthy seems to be building some clout in the locker room as well, albeit via the internet.

2. Dallas has apparently always really emphasized mental health within their organization and have been on the cutting edge really for the last two decades or so. Jerry Jones has always had psychiatrists available for players to speak to to evaluate any problems that they may be having internally. Supposedly, Dallas has been involved with evaluating mental health longer than most teams, and Jerry actually just hired on another big name doctor to evaluate and work with the players. JJT notes that it can be difficult for guys as young as 21-22 years old that came from extremely humble beginnings and less than favorable backgrounds to be all of a sudden cashing checks for millions of dollars, while still being expected to do the right things as people.

This fact almost makes me wonder if this is why Jerry often takes his chances with, what fans and media describe as "head cases." For years, I've just thought Jerry likes the attention of signing the "crazy" players, but it appears he actually believes in what his organization can do on the mental health front. If he can land great talent, while also helping a player battle his own personal demons and put him in an environment to succeed, it's a win for everyone involved in my opinion. I also wonder if being a mental health advocate could be Jimmy Johnson's influence as well. As most know, Jimmy Johnson received his degree in Psychology and was fully prepared to attend grad school and become an industrial psychologist himself. A coach at Louisiana Tech, however, had a heart attack, and the HC hired Jimmy on to help teach the players the defense, and the rest, as they say, is history. The HOF has spoken.

3. We all heard John Harbaugh whining about the new guidelines in the league this week on the Baltimore sports radio station, as I believe he called them "humanly impossible." I think the main issue he had was that players are expected to have physical, padded practices, but are also expected to social distance in the locker rooms and beyond. JJT asked a source about this, and what he thought. The source noted that they are constantly doing off the wall things for the benefit of the team, and these hurdles caused by COVID will be no different. At the Star, everyone under the Joneses has a "just get it done" attitude. Nobody in any department is going to tell the Joneses that anything is impossible. They're going to roll with the punches and take these challenges as they come. The source did note that they have plenty of space at their current facility, and should be able to accommodate anything they're trying to do with the players.

4. JJT basically stressed pass defense and turnovers here. He and Matt had some banter here about sacks, and how they're the sexy stat that every fan of defensive football stresses over, but in actuality takeaways and not allowing the big completions are far more important, as it translates into winning. JJT noted that 6 of the top 10 teams in sacks last season didn't even make the playoffs. I think he had mentioned during Rod's best year as DC in terms of points allowed, they were hardly able to generate any turnovers. Either way, it's Mike Nolan's job now to fix this defense into a unit we all know they're capable of being.

I, personally, think defense at any level is very important. Pass rush/sacks has a lot to do with pass defense, but I think that this segment was only mentioned in haste for Matt to go into depth about some research he had done on sacking the QB. JJT hardly did much talking here.

And that's it folks!

https://www.kesn1033.com/2020/06/12...protests-insight-on-sack-philosophy-and-more/

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Hear are my loud response to the Whispers:

1. The only Cowboy that made a commitment is the former unsigned QB that committed $1M to organizations focused on positive change. Some players did a video on the Cowboys website. Nothing has came from President, Owner, and General Manager of the Dallas Cowboys America's Team. Therefore since the firing of Jimmy Johnson and the brief toleration of Parcells for Jerry's World Stadium, the Head Coach has been irrelevant in Dallas.
2. Impossible to be true. The only support for mental health is to get players back on the field to endanger their mental health.
3. Coach Harbaugh is absolutely correct. Football is a collision sport that can not be played with social distancing and health mask.
4. Stop the run and you make a team pass. 4 things happen when you pass the ball and 3 of them or bad. Stopping the run increase your chances for interceptions and sacks.
 

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Zeke has Rona. There’s a .03% chance he’ll die. And that’s all I have to say about that.
 
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