How many holdovers from Garrett are ruined by the past?

leeblair · Jun 24, 2020

It's a question that has to be asked, and answered.
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years because of Jason Garrett's lack of leadership, and the players lacking respect for him and Jerry.
Say what you want, but at least some of the players are just as guilty as Garrett for last season's collapse. How many times did we see the Cowboys simply outplayed because they no longer cared?
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off. These guys were only interested in getting paid, and then they seemed less focused on doing their jobs.
I hope to see McCarthy impose a discipline that will no longer cater to these coddled players.
I think they can win; but I am still sick to my stomach from watching celebrations after tackles 8 and 9 yards past the line of scrimmage.

glimmerman · Jun 24, 2020

D-Law held out surgery to get a deal. Then comes in not healed completely. Then him and other players had given up on JG and the staff.

big dog cowboy · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off.

Is this just because his sack numbers fell off some? Because overall he played very well once he was fully healthy.

glimmerman · Jun 24, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Is this just because his sack numbers fell off some? Because overall he played very well once he was fully healthy.

About the best we have against the run.

fivetwos · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
It's a question that has to be asked, and answered.
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years because of Jason Garrett's lack of leadership, and the players lacking respect for him and Jerry.
Say what you want, but at least some of the players are just as guilty as Garrett for last season's collapse. How many times did we see the Cowboys simply outplayed because they no longer cared?
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off. These guys were only interested in getting paid, and then they seemed less focused on doing their jobs.
I hope to see McCarthy impose a discipline that will no longer cater to these coddled players.
I think they can win; but I am still sick to my stomach from watching celebrations after tackles 8 and 9 yards past the line of scrimmage.

I agree with you in theory but I dont think Lawrence was among the bigger culprits.

The only one who comes to mind when celebrating something that wasnt any kind of a good play was 54, but then again people around here tell me he is a good linebacker by pointing to tackling stats so why not on his end, right?

I almost want to give every player a pass based on exactly what you're basic point is though.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
It's a question that has to be asked, and answered.
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years because of Jason Garrett's lack of leadership, and the players lacking respect for him and Jerry.
Say what you want, but at least some of the players are just as guilty as Garrett for last season's collapse. How many times did we see the Cowboys simply outplayed because they no longer cared?
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off. These guys were only interested in getting paid, and then they seemed less focused on doing their jobs.
I hope to see McCarthy impose a discipline that will no longer cater to these coddled players.
I think they can win; but I am still sick to my stomach from watching celebrations after tackles 8 and 9 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Bobhaze · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
It's a question that has to be asked, and answered.
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years because of Jason Garrett's lack of leadership, and the players lacking respect for him and Jerry.
Say what you want, but at least some of the players are just as guilty as Garrett for last season's collapse. How many times did we see the Cowboys simply outplayed because they no longer cared?
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off. These guys were only interested in getting paid, and then they seemed less focused on doing their jobs.
I hope to see McCarthy impose a discipline that will no longer cater to these coddled players.
I think they can win; but I am still sick to my stomach from watching celebrations after tackles 8 and 9 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Like you, I hope Big Mac instills a stricter code of professionalism with our players.

But as far as the failures of the last decade plus, sure Garrett has to be blamed for much of the mediocre results we got. However, I place a much heavier burden for this team’s lackluster results the past decade on the man who not only hired Garrett but stuck with him far beyond what was good for the team- the man sitting in the owners box and holding press conferences outside the locker room every week. And his continual sticking his nose into discipline and locker room issues continued to undermine his HC.

Jerry is what this team always has to overcome first before this team can emerge into what they were 25 years ago. He has been the biggest reason for this team’s playoff drought. Period.

EJK24 · Jun 24, 2020

There is no way DLaw or anyone else is getting fined for their play "dropping off." How is anyone going to prove that a player didn't do enough on a play to the point it results in a fine?

Not wanting to see defensive guys celebrate on plays that yards were given up on is something that many personally dont want to see, but it's definitely not something that will result in a fine to them.

Imagine trying to fine DLaw because he didnt get to the QB enough and trying to explain how it was for a lack of effort rather then the other team just doing their job. Never gonna happen.

khiladi · Jun 24, 2020

Remember when 99% of this forum used to defend Garrett, and this was when he was actually calling the plays and only a few were saying this man is ruining Romo’s career, while the Garrett-lovers were saying it purely the fault of the defense. Very few called out the play-calling.

The majority thought Garrett was a disciplinarian and wasn’t a pushover like Wade supposedly was. Good times..

John813 · Jun 24, 2020

How could you fine a player for not having a down year in certain stats?

Seems like a good way to piss off your players. And getting the PA on your back.

"Hey Lawrence, it's coach Mike, nice to meet ya, I'm going to fine you 50k for only having 5 sacks last year."

Kaiser · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years

They won 10 or more games in 5 of those 13 seasons, that's a very odd definition of "disgrace".

fivetwos · Jun 24, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Like you, I hope Big Mac instills a stricter code of professionalism with our players.

But as far as the failures of the last decade plus, sure Garrett has to be blamed for much of the mediocre results we got. However, I place a much heavier burden for this team’s lackluster results the past decade on the man who not only hired Garrett but stuck with him far beyond what was good for the team- the man sitting in the owners box and holding press conferences outside the locker room every week. And his continual sticking his nose into discipline and locker room issues continued to undermine his HC.

Jerry is what this team always has to overcome first before this team can emerge into what they were 25 years ago. He has been the biggest reason for this team’s playoff drought. Period.

You're right.

Garrett is much less to blame for being a fraud that Jerry was for not recognizing it.

It's his toy. He gets to play with it and we get to watch, and pay money for the privilege.

200 pounds of pure ego at its finest, and nothing...absolutely nothing...will ever convince him that less of him is a good thing.

TwistedL0g1k · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off.

This is absurd.

:facepalm:

Whyjerry · Jun 24, 2020

glimmerman said:
D-Law held out surgery to get a deal. Then comes in not healed completely. Then him and other players had given up on JG and the staff.

Great post. DLaw is one of the biggest frauds on the team. I have no idea why people support the guy so much.

glimmerman · Jun 24, 2020

Whyjerry said:
Great post. DLaw is one of the biggest frauds on the team. I have no idea why people support the guy so much.

He got paid. He did play under the tag instead of holding out so I had respect for that. But then as part of the negotiations his agent (my guess is it was agents idea) has him hold out of a surgery to speed things up. Knowing he wouldn’t be completely healed before the season started. Lost some respect. Then heard he was telling the rookies not to listen to JG because he didn’t run anything. Not sure if it’s true but it’s not kool.

OmerV · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
It's a question that has to be asked, and answered.
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years because of Jason Garrett's lack of leadership, and the players lacking respect for him and Jerry.
Say what you want, but at least some of the players are just as guilty as Garrett for last season's collapse. How many times did we see the Cowboys simply outplayed because they no longer cared?
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off. These guys were only interested in getting paid, and then they seemed less focused on doing their jobs.
I hope to see McCarthy impose a discipline that will no longer cater to these coddled players.
I think they can win; but I am still sick to my stomach from watching celebrations after tackles 8 and 9 yards past the line of scrimmage.

And the soap opera continues … makes you wonder if some people even care about the sport or if this is just their version of As the World Turns.

Bobhaze · Jun 24, 2020

fivetwos said:
You're right.

Garrett is much less to blame for being a fraud that Jerry was for not recognizing it.

It's his toy. He gets to play with it and we get to watch, and pay money for the privilege.

200 pounds of pure ego at its finest, and nothing...absolutely nothing...will ever convince him that less of him is a good thing.

Or not pay money for tickets or merchandise for the privilege of saying, “No thanks”.

Big_D · Jun 24, 2020

khiladi said:
Remember when 99% of this forum used to defend Garrett, and this was when he was actually calling the plays and only a few were saying this man is ruining Romo’s career, while the Garrett-lovers were saying it purely the fault of the defense. Very few called out the play-calling.

The majority thought Garrett was a disciplinarian and wasn’t a pushover like Wade supposedly was. Good times..

Back when they blamed Wade for everything and actually believed it.

birdwells1 · Jun 24, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Is this just because his sack numbers fell off some? Because overall he played very well once he was fully healthy.

Yeah Dlaw sack numbers fell but that was due to a number of factors. The OP says to discipline a player due to sack numbers and that is ridiculous.

Jaylon Smith was ruined by the "using the cowboys stage" to further outside endeavors and that culture was created by Jerry Jones.

Doomsday101 · Jun 24, 2020

leeblair said:
It's a question that has to be asked, and answered.
The Cowboys were a disgrace for the past 13 years because of Jason Garrett's lack of leadership, and the players lacking respect for him and Jerry.
Say what you want, but at least some of the players are just as guilty as Garrett for last season's collapse. How many times did we see the Cowboys simply outplayed because they no longer cared?
DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind; I think he should be fined and other discipline applied for the way his play dropped off. These guys were only interested in getting paid, and then they seemed less focused on doing their jobs.
I hope to see McCarthy impose a discipline that will no longer cater to these coddled players.
I think they can win; but I am still sick to my stomach from watching celebrations after tackles 8 and 9 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Telling me how players you do not know feel and then taking your own feelings and putting it on them is pathetic. You don't a damn thing about these players and their personal feelings.

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