Jerry/Stephen royally screwed up again

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As was reported he was offerred 33-35m with 110m in guarantees. Basically without having done anything significant in his career he was being offered top 3 money and it may have been top 2 money at his position, but it's the Cowboys who are the bad guys here? I know you like Dak, alot more than i do that's no secret, but he was offerred a fair contract he chose not to sign it
I thought the tag tender was more than fair. Dak will have to go out and show he is worth the 31mil and they can rehash/renegotiate next season.

The drama is over and we can get back to football. Thank goodness. Now all we have to do is make it through the Post-Dak threads.
 

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This is what YOU don't see. What you and others fail to realize is that Stephen and Jerry are the ones who told us he was a franchise quarterback. If they were lying and didn't feel that way then why are they doing this? End this now. They should've been trying to find his replacement and it ain't no damn Ben Dinucci or whatever the hell his name is. Actually get a real prospect in here.
I've said it before, dallas is more than fair and supportive of all players and staff and will only ever say positive things. The bottom line is that they had a very generous offer for a year or two for Dak to sign and somehow it's everyone elses fault again but Daks.

EL OH EL
 

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I've said it before, dallas is more than fair and supportive of all players and staff and will only ever say positive things. The bottom line is that they had a very generous offer for a year or two for Dak to sign and somehow it's everyone elses fault again but Daks.

EL OH EL
It is what it is. Maybe Dak doesn't want to play for the franchise. Not like they a winning tradition lately and it does seem like the only time Jerry cares about his players is when its to get them on a team friendly deal....or maybe Stephen is the issue. I can't say. But its clear this team doesn't hold the same weight around this league as It once did. Probably should've seen this when Sammy Watkins turned down the Cowboys........
 

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Here's the part I'm struggling with.

At this point, Dak has decided against signing a long term contract in 2019, instead choosing to play for the 2 million-whatever he made. So even if the offer on the table was for $25-$30 million a year, that's still $23-$28 million he's missed out on for that year.

And now he's reportedly turned down another deal that would have paid him $70 million over the next two years. But if the Cowboys tagged him again, it would cost them $37 million. So adding up $31 million this year, and $37 million next year, he's still making $68 million, again less than what he was offered.

Look like money lost that will never be recouped to me.
It won’t be. He has lost 10’s of millions. If he is tagged 2 years that’s 68 million. If he signed he would make 70 in the 2 years and 35 per year after that. And would have been back to the table after year 3 or 4. The deal that his agent pulled out of was I think 35 a year. Instead he played for 2. That’s 33 million dollar difference. If Dak realizes it then he should fire him.
 

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Only Dak 666 Luck saved him....

This is nonsense for two reasons. First is because most of those were just passes that were broken up, not sure INTs the defense just dropped. And second is these things happen with all QBs, not just Dak.

The fact is Dak has historically thrown a low number of INTs and Winston has historically thrown a high number of INTs, and this does not explain that away. Nor does it explain The difference in completion % between the two.
 
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This is what YOU don't see. What you and others fail to realize is that Stephen and Jerry are the ones who told us he was a franchise quarterback. If they were lying and didn't feel that way then why are they doing this? End this now. They should've been trying to find his replacement and it ain't no damn Ben Dinucci or whatever the hell his name is. Actually get a real prospect in here.
Prescott was offered money more than fitting for a supposed franchise quarterback of his calibre.

Did you expect them to offer him on average $40 million a year?
 

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Unless Prescott is willing to take a haircut on salary (which would be completely contrary to how he has conducted these negotiations to date) or if we win the Superbowl next season he's done in Dallas.

link? I just don’t see how this is for sure. In fact I could see him getting a second tag . Now after next year it possible he’s done if his side don’t cave. The only way I see him done if he gets hurt and Andy comes in and lights it up.

or if we stink it up this year with Dak which is doubtful.

Dak May be Romoesque. Just good enough get the prom queen to notice you. Not good enough to get you to the finish line.

either way it’s an opinion. Yours and mine. The jones boys screwed this up.

this isn’t about their lack of faith IMO they got the faith .Dak is still well paid and you don’t do that with a qb you don’t have faith in. If they didn’t have faith you don’t offer 5 years and you move on.

I didn’t see any quotes from them yesterday ? I am wondering how they are going to approach things with media
 

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Rarely do you get a QB the caliber of Dak Prescott in the 4th round and enjoy the fruits of a 4th round picks salary for 4 years. Dak sacrificed his body and soul diligently working on his game to improve all the while dealing with an incompetent coaching staff. And this is what Jerry and crew have done. It’s embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan right now. The organization sucks. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.

It really is amazing. Jerry always laments about wasting Romo's talent. His horrible GM skills in acquiring talent, and his affinity for loser coaches like Garrett ruined our chance to win the big one with Romo.

Amazingly, he gets lucky again with Dak. And on top of that he finally gets rid of the horrid Garrett and has been accumulating talent. The Cowboys are primed for a run with Dak and MM. And for whatever reason, he screws up the negotiations that was almost impossible to screw up.
The guy is cursed and he has no one to blame but himself. I wonder how much of this was Stephen. If a lot of it was Stephen then we may be really screwed.
 

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Rarely do you get a QB the caliber of Dak Prescott in the 4th round and enjoy the fruits of a 4th round picks salary for 4 years. Dak sacrificed his body and soul diligently working on his game to improve all the while dealing with an incompetent coaching staff. And this is what Jerry and crew have done. It’s embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan right now. The organization sucks. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.

LOL....yet it was Dak and his agent that declined a contract that would have paid him near a Top 5 QB.
 

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link? I just don’t see how this is for sure. In fact I could see him getting a second tag . Now after next year it possible he’s done if his side don’t cave. The only way I see him done if he gets hurt and Andy comes in and lights it up.

or if we stink it up this year with Dak which is doubtful.

Dak May be Romoesque. Just good enough get the prom queen to notice you. Not enough to get you to the finish line.

either way it’s an opinion. Yours and mine. The jones boys screwed this up.

this isn’t about their lack of faith IMO they got the faith Dak is still well paid and you don’t do that with a qb you don’t have faith in. If they didn’t have faith you don’t offer 5 years and you move on.

I didn’t see any quotes from them yesterday ? I am wondering how they are going to approach things with media

Reading between the lines. Jerry will be seething. He goes around banging on about how he always gets deals done. He's the man. Stephen Jones is far more pragmatic than his dad but has run a very tight ship. They offered good fair deals with long term security on an explosive offense with countless weapons.

Yet Prescott turned them down.

Do you really think they will offer him MORE money!?

I think they will look to trade him and roll with Dalton in the interim before drafting a QB in 2021.
 

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Reading between the lines. Jerry will be seething. He goes around banging on about how he always gets deals done. He's the man. Stephen Jones is far more pragmatic than his dad but has run a very tight ship. They offered good fair deals with long term security on an explosive offense with countless weapons.

Yet Prescott turned them down.

Do you really think they will offer him MORE money!?

I think they will look to trade him and roll with Dalton.

Reports have pretty regularly been that the point of contention was over the length of the contract, not the money
 

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Reading between the lines. Jerry will be seething. He goes around banging on about how he always gets deals done. He's the man. Stephen Jones is far more pragmatic than his dad but has run a very tight ship. They offered good fair deals with long term security on an explosive offense with countless weapons.

Yet Prescott turned them down.

Do you really think they will offer him MORE money!?

I think they will look to trade him and roll with Dalton in the interim before drafting a QB in 2021.
Why would someone trade for him when they can just wait until he leaves the team? Why would anyone trade anything of value for him?
 

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Reports have pretty regularly been that the point of contention was over the length of the contract, not the money
They want to try and change the narrative because the truth is this whole thing looks incompetent from the outside looking in.
 

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So they have him from next season and to avoid getting involved in a horse trade with other teams on the open market.

The Jaguars makes sense. Their prime pass rusher has already requested to leave just chuck in a pick with that and it gets done.
 

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They want to try and change the narrative because the truth is this whole thing looks incompetent from the outside looking in.
I agree. I can’t say Dak is blameless in this situation, but all we have to go by are reports, and the most consistent reporting has been that the deadlock was on length of the contract. Other than an ocassional report here and their over the offseason, most reporting has not indicated annual average Or guaranteed money was the problem.
 

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So they have him from next season and to avoid getting involved in a horse trade with other teams on the open market.

The Jaguars makes sense. Their prime pass rusher has already requested to leave just chuck in a pick with that and it gets done.
This is what kills me. Y'all say Dak suck but want the Jaguars best player in return for him when they have Minshew who they like but the jury is still out on. It just makes no sense what you guys do lol.
 

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Reading between the lines. Jerry will be seething. He goes around banging on about how he always gets deals done. He's the man. Stephen Jones is far more pragmatic than his dad but has run a very tight ship. They offered good fair deals with long term security on an explosive offense with countless weapons.

Yet Prescott turned them down.

Do you really think they will offer him MORE money!?

I think they will look to trade him and roll with Dalton in the interim before drafting a QB in 2021.

do I think he was offered a fair contract yes. But this whole offseason has been reading between the lines and with this front office you can’t. This was todd France and Daks greed mostly France.

they are not going to trade Dak and roll with Dalton IMO. Whose going to give up capital for Dak according to some he’s mediocre and the qbs coming out next year that grade out as franchise qbs on paper are going to be beyond the reach of the cowboys

I bet they franchise him again
 

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I expected him to get a 4 year deal that he wanted....yes.
Cowboys claim they have never given a 4 yr contract to a blue chip player. I can understand why they didn't want to now especially after the contract wasn't agreed last season so they couldn't spread the salary cap hit over a longer period of time.

I genuinely believe if Dak had spoken directly with the Jones boys early on that they would have offered him more money in a 5 year contract.
 

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Here's the part I'm struggling with.

At this point, Dak has decided against signing a long term contract in 2019, instead choosing to play for the 2 million-whatever he made. So even if the offer on the table was for $25-$30 million a year, that's still $23-$28 million he's missed out on for that year.

And now he's reportedly turned down another deal that would have paid him $70 million over the next two years. But if the Cowboys tagged him again, it would cost them $37 million. So adding up $31 million this year, and $37 million next year, he's still making $68 million, again less than what he was offered.

Look like money lost that will never be recouped to me.
Yeah I mean he's betting on himself I don't know the end game for him now. I'm sure he is on someones team and hell I'm not even sure if the Cowboys are through with him. At the very least he franchise tags for another year I'd have to think. None of this makes sense to me personally from the Cowboys angle or the Dak angle. It was like the Leveon Bell situation though to a different degree. He was holding out but I didn't get him leaving all that money on the table like he did.
 
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