Jerry/Stephen royally screwed up again

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Rarely do you get a QB the caliber of Dak Prescott in the 4th round and enjoy the fruits of a 4th round picks salary for 4 years. Dak sacrificed his body and soul diligently working on his game to improve all the while dealing with an incompetent coaching staff. And this is what Jerry and crew have done. It’s embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan right now. The organization sucks. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.

I think Organization put an offer up that was more than fair. Dak is looking for the chance of hitting FA again after the new TV contracts are in place. So I understand both parties view of things. In the end the burden falls on Dak, with a 1 year deal he must produce at a high level and help this team in post season and advance in post season, if he expects to get that big deal he is looking for. Again what the Cowboys offered if reports are true was very fair.
 

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and this is how a mole hill becomes a mountain. a deal wasn't reached. no big deal (no pun intended). it can happen next year. i'm sure both dak and his agent, whoever it might be, will understand there is a line stephen is not willing to cross. we still have the qb we want as our starter. we can sign him next year. the worst part is his entire salary is guaranteed this season and can't be restructured in any way to help us with the cap. probably not good news for one tyron crawford and his 7 million. this is hardly the end of the world.
 

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Rarely do you get a QB the caliber of Dak Prescott in the 4th round and enjoy the fruits of a 4th round picks salary for 4 years. Dak sacrificed his body and soul diligently working on his game to improve all the while dealing with an incompetent coaching staff. And this is what Jerry and crew have done. It’s embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan right now. The organization sucks. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.


I have to disagree. Dak is not some once in a lifetime QB. He's not a generational player that can't be replaced. My hat is off to Stephen Jones who held firm to how he wants to build the team and offered some competitive contracts. Embarrassing would be for a cash strapped team to grossly overpay an average QB who also requires extremely heavy investment into the offense to make it kinda work.
 

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I have to disagree. Dak is not some once in a lifetime QB. He's not a generational player that can't be replaced. My hat is off to Stephen Jones who held firm to how he wants to build the team and offered some competitive contracts. Embarrassing would be for a cash strapped team to grossly overpay an average QB who also requires extremely heavy investment into the offense to make it kinda work.
The only disagreement was on the years. Most recent QB's who were extended got the 4 years Dak wanted. Now they're on the hooks for 31 mil salary cap hit this year. They won't be able to sign Clowney or Adams or any other half *** football player.
 

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The only disagreement was on the years. Most recent QB's who were extended got the 4 years Dak wanted. Now they're on the hooks for 31 mil salary cap hit this year. They won't be able to sign Clowney or Adams or any other half *** football player.


Those were extensions. Dak could have signed one last year but opted not to. He wanted a short term deal so now he's got it and its cheaper than the average they offered.
 

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I'm not sure about this on a couple of fronts.

First, doesn't the non-exclusive tag mean a team would have to give up 2 first rounders, and if so, how many players are teams willing to give up that much for, especially since it also means they would have to negotiate a high dollar contract?

Second is that Dalton is only under contract for 1 season. Maybe we could still sign him for a reasonable deal, but next year he will also be available from the beginning of free agency for other teams to compete for. Obviously competition wouldn't put him in Dak's pay range, but it could be somewhat expensive for a mere bridge guy the team doesn't see as being capable of more than just "handling the chores".

If you tag him, you can then deal with any team that makes him an offer I believe. I'm not sure any team will pony up two No1's for Dak. You have to move on from him now. His future contracts will hogtie any team in the future.
Dak is just a top 10-top 15 QB and not worth what he's getting this year. He hasn't proved his worth for sure.
 

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As would I......I just hope this doesn't all end with us signing Mayfield some years down the road because we are QB desperate.....
If that happens then I would have to stay in a dark room for a few years.
You could write that on your resume? "I got Dak completely wrong, even though he won rookie of the year, I couldn't see the talent"

And when they ask you your future plans for the franchise you can give them your master plan. "Draft the next Aaron Rogers next year in the draft, if he doenst win the SB in in 2 years or wants big money, just cut him and start over"

Don't quit your day job before you go looking. LOL

Prescott has not progressed after his very impressive rookie season as highly as some predicted. It was the only year he really made the Pro Bowl without being a back up entry like Trubisky and 2016 was the only year he has come close to being an All Pro.

I don't think he has regressed he just hasn't really gone on to another level and good defensive teams have successfully schemed against him.
 

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Those were extensions. Dak could have signed one last year but opted not to. He wanted a short term deal so now he's got it and its cheaper than the average they offered.
If he signed a contract now he would've go a huge signing bonus which would have been spread over the 4 years so his cap hit would not be the 31.4 mil it is now.
 

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If that happens then I would have to stay in a dark room for a few years.


Prescott has not progressed after his very impressive rookie season as highly as some predicted. It was the only year he really made the Pro Bowl without being a back up entry like Trubisky and 2016 was the only year he has come close to being an All Pro.

I don't think he has regressed he just hasn't really gone on to another level and good defensive teams have successfully schemed against him.
That's not true. I know record wise his best season was 2016 but no one can tell me in 2019 he's the same quarterback as he was in 2016. Especially on the deep ball. I just can't agree with that.
 

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Rarely do you get a QB the caliber of Dak Prescott in the 4th round and enjoy the fruits of a 4th round picks salary for 4 years. Dak sacrificed his body and soul diligently working on his game to improve all the while dealing with an incompetent coaching staff. And this is what Jerry and crew have done. It’s embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan right now. The organization sucks. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.

Going as planned is how I see it. Let Dak lead team deep into playoffs before paying out that kind of coin.
 

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Because someone doesn't believe their QB is worth that kind of money means they hate the team? Would you care to explain the logic behind that because it makes no sense to me.

Their opinion is that the team could be better without paying a king's ransom for a player they do not think is worth it. Seems to me that shows they care a lot for the team.

Do you tend to miss irony?
 

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If you tag him, you can then deal with any team that makes him an offer I believe. I'm not sure any team will pony up two No1's for Dak. You have to move on from him now. His future contracts will hogtie any team in the future.
Dak is just a top 10-top 15 QB and not worth what he's getting this year. He hasn't proved his worth for sure.
I agree a team isn't likely to give up 2 #1s, especially with the need to make a big financial commitment to keep the player more than one year. I don't think there are many teams that would give up that much for any player, and, as always, there won't be more than 3-4 teams really looking for a QB so desperately they would consider that. Most already have the guy they are going with the next few years.

I disagree about Dak not being a top 10-15 QB. I think only Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Wilson are clearly and unquestionably ahead of him, and there can be reasonable arguments for a few others. I think reasonable people could rank him anywhere from 7-12.
 

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Rarely do you get a QB the caliber of Dak Prescott in the 4th round and enjoy the fruits of a 4th round picks salary for 4 years. Dak sacrificed his body and soul diligently working on his game to improve all the while dealing with an incompetent coaching staff. And this is what Jerry and crew have done. It’s embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan right now. The organization sucks. I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.

The organization has been meh for years now. It still sells and draws attention from fans. Either Stephen or Jerry (or both) have serious enough doubts about Prescott that they didn't want to marry him contractually (unless the deal was team friendlier). It's my belief that they want to field a good team that can make the playoffs at least every other season, with the hope of making a deep playoff run every 5 years or so. That's literally what I think they desire because getting a consistent deep playoff run type team means giving coaches and other front office people way more control over the team. As long as they look like they are kinda on track to the fans everything else is gravy. Prescott needs more pieces to succeed at a level like a Brees, Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, etc. If the team needs more pieces, the contract that he will be offered diminishes. Hence the whole pieces of pie Stephen kept harping on. The Cowboys feel like they can win at the level I was speaking about earlier with Prescott, but won't be giving him his contract demands to achieve it. I would maybe die from mirth if Andy Dalton somehow comes in and puts up similar or better numbers, and all the talk switches to how are they going to lock up Dalton long term. This is a show that never ends....
 

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LoL, Troll! Dak isn't a franchise QB. The FO dodged a bullet and probably gave him the offer they did knowing he wouldn't sign it. Oh, and what caliber is Dak? He isn't a game-changer so please go back to your Dak safe place and cry into your Dak doll. Our QB misery is almost over.
What a stupid post
 

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Gotta get those garbage stats. Clearly the Cowboys don't agree with your assessment of him, you can follow him to Jacksonville.

Hopefully when he stays on the team you will follow someone else to somewhere else.
 

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The organization has been meh for years now. It still sells and draws attention from fans. Either Stephen or Jerry (or both) have serious enough doubts about Prescott that they didn't want to marry him contractually (unless the deal was team friendlier). It's my belief that they want to field a good team that can make the playoffs at least every other season, with the hope of making a deep playoff run every 5 years or so. That's literally what I think they desire because getting a consistent deep playoff run type team means giving coaches and other front office people way more control over the team. As long as they look like they are kinda on track to the fans everything else is gravy. Prescott needs more pieces to succeed at a level like a Brees, Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, etc. If the team needs more pieces, the contract that he will be offered diminishes. Hence the whole pieces of pie Stephen kept harping on. The Cowboys feel like they can win at the level I was speaking about earlier with Prescott, but won't be giving him his contract demands to achieve it. I would maybe die from mirth if Andy Dalton somehow comes in and puts up similar or better numbers, and all the talk switches to how are they going to lock up Dalton long term. This is a show that never ends....
34 mill a year for 5 years is pretty damn confident in him.
 

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If he signed a contract now he would've go a huge signing bonus which would have been spread over the 4 years so his cap hit would not be the 31.4 mil it is now.


I can't say what he would get on only a 4 year deal since they didn't offer one. I'm not sure how much less guaranteed todd would have agreed to in a 4 year structure. He wasn't going to take a deal less than 35 million average and would probably require 3 years guaranteed anyway if not all 4. but it matters not. The cowboys put a value on dak and the position and didn't completely cave from what they wanted to do. That is a win for them. If Dak turns out to be an elite QB he can still get paid, but if he gets exposed then we are tied to an anchor.
 

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I can't say what he would get on only a 4 year deal since they didn't offer one. I'm not sure how much less guaranteed todd would have agreed to in a 4 year structure. He wasn't going to take a deal less than 35 million average and would probably require 3 years guaranteed anyway if not all 4. but it matters not. The cowboys put a value on dak and the position and didn't completely cave from what they wanted to do. That is a win for them. If Dak turns out to be an elite QB he can still get paid, but if he gets exposed then we are tied to an anchor.
He is and has been elite and will cost even more next year when he proves it yet again.
 
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