Booger says Zeke 1 in his book

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He has shown his immaturity off the field, but he has been very productive on it. I think last year's numbers are a little off, due to the team being behind so often in which Dak's numbers were more inflated. Zeke late in ball games is an excellent closer, but they need to play ahead of the scoreboard to utilize him in this role.
That's quite right. Nice call.

Thing is, while some people want to use yardage etc, I still rely on the eye test.

In SF in 2017 he took a screen to the house from 50+.

I'm not so sure he can make that run......I'll cut myself off from saying "any longer" because he probably can.....if he is motivated to get himself back into that spot after being paid. I don't trust him at all.
 

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That's quite right. Nice call.

Thing is, while some people want to use yardage etc, I still rely on the eye test.

In SF in 2017 he took a screen to the house from 50+.

I'm not so sure he can make that run......I'll cut myself off from saying "any longer" because he probably can.....if he is motivated to get himself back into that spot after being paid. I don't trust him at all.

His added weight could of been team driven so he could handle the pounding. Every right to be concerned about him off the field, but he comes to play every Sunday. We couldn't say that about Murray, as he struggled with availability.
 

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His added weight could of been team driven so he could handle the pounding. Every right to be concerned about him off the field, but he comes to play every Sunday. We couldn't say that about Murray, as he struggled with availability.
One thing he has in common with Murray is neither RB hit a rushing home run in years 2-4 with the Cowboys. Murray left the Cowboys and hit a home run then next 3 season. It could very well be that Zeke’s home run hitting ability was hurt by the coaching staff in some way, shape or form.

Just like Brandon Carr. He was able to intercept passes up until 2013. Then he had 1 in his final 3 seasons with the team. He went to Baltimore and started picking off passes again.

I will be interested to see how Zeke plays under MM and how Byron Jones does on the Dolphins in regards to him forcing turnovers.
 

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You’re right. The question becomes are you satisfied with the 90% or do you want the full 100%? I want the full 100%.
How do we not have the full 100? Zeke is a top 5 back without question. We're basically arguing Aaron Rodgers vs Brady ala RB in today's NFL. You're not wrong either way. Upside I'll say for Zeke, is that he is probably the best blocking back in the game. If you wanna talk about 100%, Zeke is the most complete back in the game.
 

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He has shown his immaturity off the field, but he has been very productive on it. I think last year's numbers are a little off, due to the team being behind so often in which Dak's numbers were more inflated. Zeke late in ball games is an excellent closer, but they need to play ahead of the scoreboard to utilize him in this role.
Zeke missed all of camp last year as he himself alluded to.
He was still a top 4 back in a "down" year.

Zeke gives you elite blocking, elite play in yardage from scrimmage and elite durability/consistency.

He doesn't give you an elite WR out of the backfield, merely a very effective back out of backfield.
He doesn't give you big, explosive plays regularly.
He just grinds for 1st downs play after play, beats defenses up and ends up atop yardage totals regularly.
 

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How do we not have the full 100? Zeke is a top 5 back without question. We're basically arguing Aaron Rodgers vs Brady ala RB in today's NFL. You're not wrong either way. Upside I'll say for Zeke, is that he is probably the best blocking back in the game. If you wanna talk about 100%, Zeke is the most complete back in the game.
I think he has relied on natural talent and he is capable of more. Some are satisfied with that and I am not. Zeke behind this line should have been giving 2k a run for its money for a few years and he didn’t. 2016 had a shot at the team record but was sat down the final 1.5 games and got off to a slow start that year. He hasn’t been the same back. I can only imagine how good he could have been if he improved from his rookie year instead of declined but he has clearly been 2 backs...2016 Zeke and 2017-2019 Zeke. I want the rookie version back.
 

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Still think Zeke,McCaffrey, and Chubb are the best right now... as far as injury related, these guys don't miss games either. One of the reasons Zeke doesn't get long runs is because he often looks for contact.

This past season he wasn't head hunting as much. But, that usually shortens the career a lot as well.
Chubb just got in the league lol. Give him zeke touches and he will FOLD eventually. Thats what yal dont get. Zeke isnt your average back and PLAYERS AND FORMER PLAYERS are trying to tell you that. I still remember Kellerman trying to scold Landon Collins on Zeke vs Saquan. Cute
 

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I think he has relied on natural talent and he is capable of more. Some are satisfied with that and I am not. Zeke behind this line should have been giving 2k a run for its money for a few years and he didn’t. 2016 had a shot at the team record but was sat down the final 1.5 games and got off to a slow start that year. He hasn’t been the same back. I can only imagine how good he could have been if he improved from his rookie year instead of declined but he has clearly been 2 backs...2016 Zeke and 2017-2019 Zeke. I want the rookie version back.
All I can do is diagree whole heartedly. I don't think he regressed at all. When he came in, Dez was no longer a 1, and outside of Beasley we had no true threat. Not to mention he walked in to the best O Line we've had in forever. There's been a lot of roster change since then. We shall see. Personally, I think Garrett is notorious for making great players look okay, and if not for Romos brilliant knowledge of the game, we'd have been under .500 for a lot of his coaching years. Hopefully McCarthy still has something in the tank. I'm not certain of that, but he's still got to be an improvement over Garrett.
 

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All I can do is diagree whole heartedly. I don't think he regressed at all. When he came in, Dez was no longer a 1, and outside of Beasley we had no true threat. Not to mention he walked in to the best O Line we've had in forever. There's been a lot of roster change since then. We shall see. Personally, I think Garrett is notorious for making great players look okay, and if not for Romos brilliant knowledge of the game, we'd have been under .500 for a lot of his coaching years. Hopefully McCarthy still has something in the tank. I'm not certain of that, but he's still got to be an improvement over Garrett.
I don’t see how Marvin Maye stops Zeke in the open field with an All Pro lineman leading the way for a 12 yard gain. In 2016 Zeke is spiking the ball on that play. He is not the same dynamic player. He’s a battering ram bell cow.
 

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I don’t see how Marvin Maye stops Zeke in the open field with an All Pro lineman leading the way for a 12 yard gain. In 2016 Zeke is spiking the ball on that play. He is not the same dynamic player. He’s a battering ram bell cow.
This is my point. We're crying that a RB went for 12 yards!!!!!??? Sometimes players get stops. Video me the play you're referring too. I'll call it lazy as I see it.
 

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This is my point. We're crying that a RB went for 12 yards!!!!!??? Sometimes players get stops. Video me the play you're referring too. I'll call it lazy as I see it.
It was against the Jets and yeah I’m crying about a open field run that only went for 12 years with a lead blocker. Even Zeke admitted he needed to do better. I think that is the difference between 90% Zeke and 100% Zeke.

And, yeah, sometimes players get stops but Zeke is 3 years with no rushing home runs. Can’t stiff arm, can’t juke, can’t outrun in order to create one anymore. Play is at 3:20 against the Jets.

 

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It was against the Jets and yeah I’m crying about a open field run that only went for 12 years with a lead blocker. Even Zeke admitted he needed to do better. I think that is the difference between 90% Zeke and 100% Zeke.

And, yeah, sometimes players get stops but Zeke is 3 years with no rushing home runs. Can’t stiff arm, can’t juke, can’t outrun in order to create one anymore. Play is at 3:20 against the Jets.


LOL. He was clearly looking down field. This play makes ya butt hurt? Come on my brutha. Zeke is annoying, I get it. We're all so jaded it's insane. Only us Cowboys fans would complain about having a top 5 back, and paying him accordingly.
 

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LOL. He was clearly looking down field. This play makes ya butt hurt? Come on my brutha. Zeke is annoying, I get it. We're all so jaded it's insane. Only us Cowboys fans would complain about having a top 5 back, and paying him accordingly.
Did you forget the context of our conversation (90% vs 100%)? Even Zeke admits he needs to be better. Why do you struggle with that thought?

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/sy...-big-plays-says-hes-got-to-be-better.amp.html
 

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Zeke missed all of camp last year as he himself alluded to.
He was still a top 4 back in a "down" year.

Zeke gives you elite blocking, elite play in yardage from scrimmage and elite durability/consistency.

He doesn't give you an elite WR out of the backfield, merely a very effective back out of backfield.
He doesn't give you big, explosive plays regularly.
He just grinds for 1st downs play after play, beats defenses up and ends up atop yardage totals regularly.

I agree with everything said, outside of his receiving skills. Due to him being such a excellent blocker, all we have seen him do in the passing game is more of a check down target or in the screen. We just don't know how good he would be in a larger role. I remember a few years ago, the Cowboys were at home in a tight game against the Lions, Zeke sealed the game with a long pass on 3rd down.
 

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One thing he has in common with Murray is neither RB hit a rushing home run in years 2-4 with the Cowboys. Murray left the Cowboys and hit a home run then next 3 season. It could very well be that Zeke’s home run hitting ability was hurt by the coaching staff in some way, shape or form.

Just like Brandon Carr. He was able to intercept passes up until 2013. Then he had 1 in his final 3 seasons with the team. He went to Baltimore and started picking off passes again.

I will be interested to see how Zeke plays under MM and how Byron Jones does on the Dolphins in regards to him forcing turnovers.

Excellent point. Well the good news here is the old staff is long gone, our returning RB Asst Coach came from the Rams. The Rams employed a zbs with Todd Gurley. I am expecting a better season from Zeke this year, although last year's numbers were still good.
 

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According to NFL Advanced Rushing Stats on Pro Football Reference he finished 2018 with 595 YAC for a 2.0 average per attempt in 2018. Didn’t even break the top 20 in average but was top 5 in total yards.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/rushing_advanced.htm

Last year he had averaged 2.3 YAC (17th best) and 679 YAC total (6th best).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/rushing_advanced.htm

It doesn’t have the advanced stats for 2016 but we can see take the yards from the tweet and divide
any number of carries.

2017 - 680 / 242 carries = 2.81 YAC
2016 - 938 yards / 322 carries = 2.91 YAC

Not sure where he ranked in terms of average for 2016 and 2017 but they were better than the last 2 years
 

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Barkley, mcaffery, Chubb, and possibly Henry maybe even kamara I’d take over zeke.

That said zeke is no slouch. He can get the job done and none of the others block like zeke. But I want some splash plays that have disappeared somewhat.
 
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