Recap: JJT: Whispers from the Star (7/24)

ClappingCarrot · Jul 24, 2020

rags747 said:
As far as point #1, does Jerry really need to come out and say that he does not agree with the narrative? Jerry has always given big bucks to the neediest and now it seems that he has even dug deeper for what seems like very good causes. Actions with the pocket count much more than bs statements. Everybody making statements, but they all got Crocodile arms when it counts. Bravo Jerry!

I agree whole heatedly. Jerry Jones is a LOT of things, but I can tell you he is definitely not insensitive to racial issues.

Hawkeye0202 · Jul 24, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
Him Not wanting to be in Dallas is not the only possible explanation. It’s entirely possible that Dak and his agent decided that playing on the tag this season was perfectly fine and acceptable to them as part of the long term strategy. Therefore, there was no hurry on Dak’s part to try and get a deal.

It doesn’t necessarily mean Dak does not want to play for the cowboys anymore.

It could easily be either Of those two things.

Bingo! My thinking exactly......

Dre11 · Jul 24, 2020

bawahawa...this is so typical, if it negative you jump.on it like flies on ****

Dre11 · Jul 24, 2020

lol...look at all the ones poo pooing Broaddus, now on this UNNAMED SOURCE as gospel.

pansophy · Jul 24, 2020

Dre11 said:
bawahawa...this is so typical, if it negative you jump.on it like flies on ****

Hard to see it as a positive. If Dak really wants to be here he signs and if Dallas really wants him they relent. So it's much easier to see how neither side is fully committed to him being here.

If Dak's strategy all along has been a 4 year deal, then even signing a 4 year deal next makes zero sense because he could have just signed a 5 year deal this year. So unless someone thinks the Jones' are going to overpay him at some point, the clock is ticking until Dak has thrown his last pass as a Cowboy.

Corso · Jul 24, 2020

DallasEast said:
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Ready to see Nolan's work. I was employed to consult a friend of a friend of a friend on a certain something something on something for a certain moment.
Just dialogue related, or so I hear.

tyke1doe · Jul 24, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
Him Not wanting to be in Dallas is not the only possible explanation. It’s entirely possible that Dak and his agent decided that playing on the tag this season was perfectly fine and acceptable to them as part of the long term strategy. Therefore, there was no hurry on Dak’s part to try and get a deal.

It doesn’t necessarily mean Dak does not want to play for the cowboys anymore.

It could easily be either Of those two things.

I agree with you. I think it's pretty silly to think that Dak doesn't want to play for the Cowboys. What he DOESN'T want is to be low-balled, by quarterback salary standards.

And he's likely banking on himself. He leads the Cowboys to the Super Bowl and wins it, he gets paid. He doesn't, he's still getting a lot of money, whether with the Cowboys or with some other team.

All Dak really has to do is stay healthy and not ROYALLY stink up the joint, so to speak.

buybuydandavis · Jul 24, 2020

ClappingCarrot said:
4. The source told JJT "I don't know if Dak wants to be in Dallas or not, but if he doesn't it's not because of Garrett."
JJT then asked the source what reason does he/she believe that Dak is wanting out of Dallas? Source noted his demeanor during the negotiation process. Almost as if getting the deal done would've been nice, but wasn't that important to him. There was no urgency or much effort on his end to get this thing done. Source called the whole negotiation "weird", and I tend to agree.

1 How could anyone *possibly* think that any Cowboy player, and *especially* Dak, would be crying over Garrett leaving? Game plan/play calling cost us multiple games, and lots of positive stats for the offense.

2 Since last year, it looked to me like Dak and his agent planned on taking the Kirk Cousins Path to Riches. Play on tags, and get to free agency. Sure, they'd probably sign an absurdly rich contract, but not expecting one, where's the urgency to negotiate? The negotiations were "weird" for PR purposes. I'm sure Dak doesn't want to *announce* that he plans on moving on. Bad for marketing deals. So he has to pretend he's eager for a contract, saying all the right things, while rejecting every contract offer, and never giving a contract counteroffer of their own. The lack of counteroffer is the tell. They don't want to come out and expose the absurdity of what they would accept.

CWR · Jul 24, 2020

LittleD said:
It must to him! If he wanted to be long term in Dallas he would by now. He doesn't... That non-exclusive tag is looking better and better for next year.

But to go into negotiations with that attitude seems bizare. Maybe it was because he already had an idea of where the front office valued him and he was offended by that value. I dont believe this story, but if it is true it's a shame we weren't able to get some value for Dak and bring in another QB. If all he is now is a one year rental I think we could've rented a better value.

Rayman70 · Jul 24, 2020

all this goes away if we win. PERIOD

gimmesix · Jul 24, 2020

MikeB80 said:
So now a second separate source is saying Dak's negotiating was weird or as broaddus source said "not in good faith" the only reason for that is he doesn't want to be here.

I wonder where he wants to be? I hope he gets there soon.

(swoons at what a leader this man is)

Might not have necessarily been that. He could be OK with getting $31 million this year and possibly $37 million next year, then negotiating a deal either with Dallas or as a FA. We tend to assume that players want that long-term assurance, but Dak seemed to want a shorter deal from the start. Maybe he actually sees this as the best way to make the most money, therefore he wasn't really interested in a deal unless it was absolutely the right one for him.

CWR · Jul 24, 2020

erod said:
Quarterbacks are another story. Receivers are largely a dime a dozen, hence why the elite ones make less than half as much.

I think Dak ran to sign that franchise tag because of the uncertainty of these weird Covid times, and McCarthy's sudden signing of Andy Dalton. That gave Dallas a legit option, so Dak didn't push it with the tag any further.

I guarantee you, France is pointing out to Dak what Cousins and Flacco got on the open market. Vastly more than they're worth. After two franchise tags and a new TV deal and salary cap increase, France wants Dak to wait and be the best QB available in free agency. He probably thinks he can get Dak $50+ a year by then. This tag, then another, then the open market. That's their plan.

The danger is, Dak could very well play himself out of a contract like that. He isn't elite. However, by then, a $30 million per year contract may be ho-hum for quarterbacks, which makes the risk much less.

France is not the least bit interested in signing Dak right now, and he's calling the shots.

Worst-case scenario for Dak is missing a string of games and having Dalton come in and perform. It would make Dak look like a product of the offense and not the catalyst you need from a franchise player.

buybuydandavis · Jul 24, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
But to go into negotiations with that attitude seems bizare. Maybe it was because he already had an idea of where the front office valued him and he was offended by that value.

Their difference in what they consider Dak's market value may have nothing to do with perceptions of Dak's talent on either side. They may just disagree on where the cap is going, with Dak expecting it to go significantly higher than Jerry does.

Sometimes sides just don't agree on where the market is going, and so can't make a deal. Nobody should get offended about differing perceptions of where the cap is going.

CWR · Jul 24, 2020

gimmesix said:
Might not have necessarily been that. He could be OK with getting $31 million this year and possibly $37 million next year, then negotiating a deal either with Dallas or as a FA. We tend to assume that players want that long-term assurance, but Dak seemed to want a shorter deal from the start. Maybe he actually sees this as the best way to make big money, therefore he wasn't really interested in a deal unless it was absolutely the right one for him.

For real if we are being honest 31 million provides a lot of damn security lol

khiladi · Jul 24, 2020

I think it’s unlikely that Tad and Dak’s boys and their tweets don’t reflect, to a degree how Dak feels...

CWR · Jul 24, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Their difference in what they consider Dak's market value may have nothing to do with perceptions of Dak's talent on either side. They may just disagree on where the cap is going, with Dak expecting it to go significantly higher than Jerry does.

Sometimes sides just don't agree on where the market is going, and so can't make a deal. Nobody should get offended about differing perceptions of where the cap is going.

I agree, but it isn't a huge leap to imagine things becoming personal. The FO has enough experience in these negotiations we should hope they can avoid any personal resentment, Dak on the other hand, as a player it would be difficult to sacrifice your body and heart for a team and then find out they dont value you like your agent and inner circle says they should. I know it works both ways and your point on the cap is logical. I just hope at the end of negotiations everyone understands why a deal didn't get done and that the option to revisit is still there next off-season. I have heard more than once an 11th hour deal was very close but they eventually ran out of time, for whatever that is worth.

Dre11 · Jul 24, 2020

pansophy said:
Hard to see it as a positive. If Dak really wants to be here he signs and if Dallas really wants him they relent. So it's much easier to see how neither side is fully committed to him being here.

If Dak's strategy all along has been a 4 year deal, then even signing a 4 year deal next makes zero sense because he could have just signed a 5 year deal this year. So unless someone thinks the Jones' are going to overpay him at some point, the clock is ticking until Dak has thrown his last pass as a Cowboy.

the difference is he will be expecting more, at that point the 4 year deal is irrelevant, Dak is betting on himself to be even better this year

Dre11 · Jul 24, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Kind of kills that idea many spit out here the players loved playing for Garrett.

Fan bases seem to never understand that 99% of athletes are not going to bash their current boss, especially in public. Jamal Adams is a rare occasion of a player willing to burn it all down and air his organization's dirty laundry. TO was another. Most athletes don't want to risk the consequences.

It applies with former players too.

I've talked to a former player one day where he bashed Mike McCarthy, only to see him on NFLNetwork later that day praising McCarthy.

lol...there are many, many reports from people in the building that says his players like him. there are players after he left that said they liked him, you're never going have every player like you, some didn't like Belichek.

KingintheNorth · Jul 24, 2020

Dre11 said:
lol...there are many, many reports from people in the building that says his players like him. there are players after he left that said they liked him, you're never going have every player like you, some didn't like Belichek.

Difference is Belichick is an admitted and obvious grump. He has the personality of a cactus.

Garrett pretends to be everyone's buddy. Garrett also stood around and did nothing when there were confrontations (SEE Dez yelling at a reporter in the locker room and Greg Hardy knocking the clipboard out of an assistant's hands). Garrett was, is, and will always be a fraud.

Another difference is all the Super Bowl appearances.

Reports from people in the building that says the players like him still doesn't counter my initial point. Players will not typically badmouth their boss. Romo said great things about Garrett when he was playing, they went to Duke basketball games together. Then in the booth, he clowned Garrett saying he just sits there and does nothing.

Pessimist_cowboy · Jul 24, 2020

Trade Dak for Jamal Adams and let’s roll with Dalton.

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