The Cowboys had the third-worst graded offensive line performance in Week 1 by PFF

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 16, 2020

rocyaice said:
Put in Dalton though....

nope nope nope. its Dak...Schulz dropped the ball...nope its dak. CD ran short of the first down..nope its dak... I have my fingers in my ears, my eyes closed, and humming loudly. I don't want to hear it

Typhus · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Big misconception in time to throw. It also could be "time until he throws". Take a look at Goff, they schemed to get the ball out early. So Goff was simply getting out quickly. Might make it seem like he had less time to throw. The Cowboys offense, for whatever reason has Dak drop back and sit there for 3 seconds almost on every play. Why? Its a big mystery to me. If you Oline is in shambles or the other team has a good pass rush, I would get it out quicker.

Now a guy like you is going to say it was Dak just holding the ball. However we have seen this all the way back to Romo.

It will always remain a mystery to you,,,
You honestly believe that the coaching staff has any influence on how fast Dak can read and react...

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

rocyaice said:
I will say in their minor defense....Fredericks retiring was something they couldn't really plan for. They had Looney and drafted Tyler so I thought they handled that part as good as you possibly could in such a short time.

The issue though is McGovern and Connor not being ready to fill in by now. And we were sold the good ol' "these are guys who should've been drafted much higher" line.

Most thought Frederick wasn’t himself last year and probably why he retired. Looney had started the year before. We should have known whether he was a suitable starter or not.

And if Conner isn’t a suitable starter then that’s another decision on our organization which should be called out.

We can’t just say our talent has disappointed . Someone believed they were enough to start. That’s what I’m talking about. The Collins injury I’ll give them . But our 2 All Pro might need to pick up slack too.

I think there’s more to the story here.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 16, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Guess that average will be going down after his 1-7 for 11 yards this past Sunday on 3rd down...i'll bet he can't wait to play the Giants and skins this year get those numbers up

Well a few things......

That is from 2018-19.........
It doesn't exclude the good defenses he's faced......
I guess the Rams are a good team again....they played them last year and won...its also included.
Dak isn't the only player who played the Giants and Skins.
Skins have a good defense but ok.....

Northern_Cowboy · Sep 16, 2020

rocyaice said:
I thought were talking about pass protection? So in your eyes if a quarterback gets the ball out fast before he gets hit....that's not the offensive line failing?

Again the stats for this past Sunday show that alot of QB's who got sacked alot and hit alot were still able to put up points and lead their team to victory....you want to keep talking about the one guy i put on the list (who i already said is not as good a QB as Dak) or you want to talk about the pressure the other QB's were under based on sacks and QB hits and still managed to win or even if they lost put up some points? You guys are all predictable i put Haskins in the list because i knew you would all zero in on him (and you all did)...so now lets move on and talk about the pressure that Russell Wilson faced and what he did? If Russell Wilson was our QB this past Sunday we win the game going away and that can be said for other Qb's on the list too

Some of that depends on the scheme the team is running, Rams were running a very short get the ball out quick scheme we were not, but in the NFL 2.82 seconds is decent time for a QB to make reads and get the ball out. It is also an average so there were plenty of plays under the 2.82 average and plenty of plays over the 2.82 average

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Most thought Frederick wasn’t himself last year and probably why he retired. Looney had started the year before. We should have known whether he was a suitable starter or not.

And if Conner isn’t a suitable starter then that’s another decision on our organization which should be called out.

We can’t just say our talent has disappointed . Someone believed they were enough to start. That’s what I’m talking about. The Collins injury I’ll give them . But our 2 All Pro might need to pick up slack too.

I think there’s more to the story here.

Fredericks struggled but I think everyone expected that his first year back. I don't disagree with you just think the Fredericks issue caught them off guard but its not entirely even really the true issue. They had a undrafted rookie free agent starting at right tackle after they addressed swing tackle this offseason. That's a issue.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 16, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Again the stats for this past Sunday show that alot of QB's who got sacked alot and hit alot were still able to put up points and lead their team to victory....you want to keep talking about the one guy i put on the list (who i already said is not as good a QB as Dak) or you want to talk about the pressure the other QB's were under based on sacks and QB hits and still managed to win or even if they lost put up some points? You guys are all predictable i put Haskins in the list because i knew you would all zero in on him (and you all did)...so now lets move on and talk about the pressure that Russell Wilson faced and what he did? If Russell Wilson was our QB this past Sunday we win the game going away and that can be said for other Qb's on the list too

Some of that depends on the scheme the team is running, Rams were running a very short get the ball out quick scheme we were not, but in the NFL 2.82 seconds is decent time for a QB to make reads and get the ball out. It is also an average so there were plenty of plays under the 2.82 average and plenty of plays over the 2.82 average

What about "I didn't see those other guys play" are you failing to grasp?Did you watch all of those quarterbacks play you keep bragging on about? You are looking at box scores to determine how well they played. I'm not going that route. I Don't talk about crap that I didn't see. If you want someone to admit that Mahomes and Russell Wilson are better than Dak then let me be the first to do it. If you are encouraging this organization to go out and get a Mahomes or Russell then I'm all for it. Please go get us one. But I'll end on this note........

*DROPS MIC*

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Typhus said:
You ever watch Aikman play and why we ran play action so much with Emmitt?
You ever wonder why we went away from that concept with Dak, even Romo era?
Aikman was probably one of if not the most accurate QBs to ever play QB for this team.
If you have the ability to process and read the field quickly, then play action is in the play book.

No I dont wonder, I know exactly why. It was because of Garrett. Up until last year that is when Moore took over. I do wonder about the lack of play action yesterday.

Did you ever bother to look at Dak and Romo's stats when we DID use play action? They have been posted many times over the years for people wondering why we dont use it more. I will see if I can find it for you.

As far as Aikman he was accurate in short to medium routes. And one of the reasons for that is the great Oline and the use of play action.

I hate to break it to you, but the play action game actually makes your reads much easier and guys are more wide open.

Here is a nice snippet from the article:

Sure the Cowboys have running back Ezekiel Elliott, but they were going to need to be efficient in the passing game to win games. And Moore understood that. Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott saw much success off play action, ranking sixth in play action passing attempts and third in play action passing yards in 2019.

Pro Football Focus added to this list of accomplishments this week, releasing that Prescott tied for third among all NFC quarterbacks with 9 touchdowns on play action plays last season.

https://insidethestar.com/qb-dak-prescott-was-a-top-play-action-passer-in-2019-but-why-stop-here/

Here is another one:

https://sportdfw.com/2019/12/04/dallas-cowboys-cant-afford-abandon-play-action-anymore/

Any other laughable comments you want me to discredit?

Northern_Cowboy · Sep 16, 2020

rocyaice said:
What about "I didn't see those other guys play" are you failing to grasp?Did you watch all of those quarterbacks play you keep bragging on about? You are looking at box scores to determine how well they played. I'm not going that route. I Don't talk about crap that I didn't see. If you want someone to admit that Mahomes and Russell Wilson are better than Dak then let me be the first to do it. If you are encouraging this organization to go out and get a Mahomes or Russell then I'm all for it. Please go get us one. But I'll end on this note........

*DROPS MIC*

So tell me since i don't know off hand, where does Dak rank since 2017 in QB wins? he has been living off his rookie season of 2016 for going on 5 years now. In the last 3+ years he has 27 wins i wonder how many QB's have more than that? I don't know off hand but i bet there are a few and Dak won't be nearly as high

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Nice try...slice it and dice it anyway you want The Washington offense led by Haskins put up 27 points while he was sacked 3 times and hit another 10 times The Cowboys offense led by Dak could only put up 17 while being sacked 3 times and hit 7 more times. Only point i'm making

Its a hollow point to say the least. Haksins didnt lead them to anything. He basically stayed out of the way. The game and stats bear that out.

But I get what you are saying. You have nothing to back up your point, but that final score.

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Typhus said:
It will always remain a mystery to you,,,
You honestly believe that the coaching staff has any influence on how fast Dak can read and react...

Its a cheme and a game plan buddy. Its also who is covered and who isnt. LOL

Very simply stuff. You didnt notice that McVay specifically schemed for short passing plays and getting the ball out quickly? Do you want me to show you the article going over that one too?

Northern_Cowboy · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Its a hollow point to say the least. Haksins didnt lead them to anything. He basically stayed out of the way. The game and stats bear that out.

But I get what you are saying. You have nothing to back up your point, but that final score.

Like i said i posted stats for 8 different QB's from this past Sunday lets talk about the other 7 now, shall we? Already stated 2 or 3 times in this thread that Haskins isn't as good a QB as Dak, all i was doing was showing stats from this past Sunday...Want to talk about Wilson now?

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 16, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
So tell me since i don't know off hand, where does Dak rank since 2017 in QB wins? he has been living off his rookie season of 2016 for going on 5 years now. In the last 3+ years he has 27 wins i wonder how many QB's have more than that? I don't know off hand but i bet there are a few and Dak won't be nearly as high

Why would I take off 2016? He entered he league in 2016 not 2017.......nice try though.

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Most thought Frederick wasn’t himself last year and probably why he retired. Looney had started the year before. We should have known whether he was a suitable starter or not.

And if Conner isn’t a suitable starter then that’s another decision on our organization which should be called out.

We can’t just say our talent has disappointed . Someone believed they were enough to start. That’s what I’m talking about. The Collins injury I’ll give them . But our 2 All Pro might need to pick up slack too.

I think there’s more to the story here.

Nothing earth shattering here. The Cowboys great lline is getting old and fading. Been happening for several years actually. The young guys they have brought in like Williams and McGovern to keep it rolling have disappointed. Now with an early retirement for Frederick they are reeling at center. Looney is a nice temporary short term replacement, but he is no answer.

You can get all the fancy skill guys you want and they make dreaming at night all fuzzy. But when the game are played on Sunday if you dont have the bog boyz up front on both side of the ball your screwed.

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Like i said i posted stats for 8 different QB's from this past Sunday lets talk about the other 7 now, shall we? Already stated 2 or 3 times in this thread that Haskins isn't as good a QB as Dak, all i was doing was showing stats from this past Sunday...Want to talk about Wilson now?

Didnt see your post but sure. Wilson is incredible, love the guy. Amazing first game. Give me Wilson over Dak 10 times out of 10.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Nothing earth shattering here. The Cowboys great lline is getting old and fading. Been happening for several years actually. The young guys they have brought in like Williams and McGovern to keep it rolling have disappointed. Now with an early retirement for Frederick they are reeling at center. Looney is a nice temporary short term replacement, but he is no answer.

You can get all the fancy skill guys you want and they make dreaming at night all fuzzy. But when the game are played on Sunday if you dont have the bog boyz up front on both side of the ball your screwed.

So, who we hold accountable for not for seeing our OL issues which could derail our anticipated explosive offense?

Typhus · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Its a cheme and a game plan buddy. Its also who is covered and who isnt. LOL

Very simply stuff. You didnt notice that McVay specifically schemed for short passing plays and getting the ball out quickly? Do you want me to show you the article going over that one too?

Sure, why not, Ive got the time,, just got set up and waiting for the BT to hit.

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
So, who we hold accountable for not for seeing our OL issues which could derail our anticipated explosive offense?

Is someone to blame for Collins coming in out of shape? I blame Collins.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Is someone to blame for Collins coming in out of shape? I blame Collins.

His departure alone derails our season early?

The rest of our OL including 2 All Pro’s isn’t enough to maintain. Wow

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2020

Typhus said:
Sure, why not, Ive got the time,, just got set up and waiting for the BT to hit.

Here ya go buddy, let me know how else I can help:

Keys to the game

The Rams hurried things up on the Cowboys, and not just by going no-huddle often. Sean McVay called a quick passing game for Jared Goff and the offensive line, giving the Cowboys pass rush little time to get to the quarterback. In the first half, Goff’s average depth of target was 2.2 yards, to show just how short his throws were.

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-cowboys-week-1-recap-score-facts/

The Cowboys had the third-worst graded offensive line performance in Week 1 by PFF

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