MM explains his thought process of going for 2

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CowboyRoy said:
Nonsense.………….You know exactly what your strategy is...……….you have plenty of time to score and tie it up. ONLY concern is making the two point conversion.

And if you are really THAT worried about missing the two pointer then you can hurry down the field all you want. But that would be dumb too.

Its about whats easier and more realistic then knowing early that you need a miracle. You don't make decisions assuming you are going to miss the 2 point conversion at the end. That's a losing mentality.
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But that's dumb. You're conceding a 50% chance of losing (by missing the 2-pointer at the end) in that case, with no recourse.

If you're going to have a "winning mentality" and assume you'll make the 2-pointer at the end, why don't you have the same winning mentality and assume you'll make it after the first score? Why is the one different from the other, in your mind?
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Nonsense.………….You know exactly what your strategy is...……….you have plenty of time to score and tie it up. ONLY concern is making the two point conversion.

And if you are really THAT worried about missing the two pointer then you can hurry down the field all you want. But that would be dumb too.

Its about whats easier and more realistic then knowing early that you need a miracle. You don't make decisions assuming you are going to miss the 2 point conversion at the end. That's a losing mentality.
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You are wrong..just give up
 
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Mr_C said:
It is easier, but he wanted to get the two point make or miss over with then gameplan from there. You needed a two one way or the other.

Had he kicked it then got it back and scored a td, but missed the two. There’s likely no time or very little left.
—as @JD_KaPow has said and I agree with him
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Yes, several of us were trying to point this out yesterday. It makes total sense to go for two there because you have to go for two at some point. We kick the extra point and we're still down by eight, which means a TD and two-point conversion is needed. By going for two at that point, you know whether you just need a TD and extra point to tie or if you need a TD and a FG. This is all about time management.
 
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JD_KaPow said:
But that's dumb. You're conceding a 50% chance of losing (by missing the 2-pointer at the end) in that case, with no recourse.

If you're going to have a "winning mentality" and assume you'll make the 2-pointer at the end, why don't you have the same winning mentality and assume you'll make it after the first score? Why is the one different from the other, in your mind?
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Save your energy..you are wasting your time..you are right
 
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CowboyRoy said:
100% wrong. Making 1 two point conversion is more difficult then getting an onsides kick, going 30 yards and then kicking a 48 yard FG.

Honestly, its like talking to a bunch of homers that are trying anything to rationalize what was a horrible decision.
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I don't know how to be clearer. They had the chance to make the 2-pointer. They failed. The only reason they needed the onside kick is that the 2-pointer failed. They took that chance and it didn't work, leaving them with no recourse but the harder path. They gave themselves the 50% chance of the two-pointer AND another, much lower likelihood chance (that worked out for them). Your approach is to give themselves ONLY the 50% chance of the two pointer. Why would you prefer that?
 
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Hoods said:
Nope, makes perfect sense (and as proved by the win). If we missed the 2 point conversion at the end of the game, we would have lost without a chance to score again.
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LOL...…...having to make a miracle onsides kick to win 100% proved it was the wrong call.
 
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Furboy said:
Exactly! That's EXACTLY right!! What the other team would do on the next drive is play a lot of soft coverage. If you score, then you know they'll sell out for the 2 point conversion making it THAT much harder to make it. If 2 point conversions were as easy as some here seem to think, I guarantee you teams would try them just about every TD. Yet they don't. Why? Because they're bloody difficult!
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JD_KaPow said:
But that's dumb. You're conceding a 50% chance of losing (by missing the 2-pointer at the end) in that case, with no recourse.

If you're going to have a "winning mentality" and assume you'll make the 2-pointer at the end, why don't you have the same winning mentality and assume you'll make it after the first score? Why is the one different from the other, in your mind?
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I get your point but when we were down 9, and the Falcons had the ball, our chance of wining was .1%. Not sure what it would have been at 8 down but likely better than 9 down
 
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At first I thought the decision was a bad one, but I am convinced it is not a big deal either way. But one thing that would be a factor is the clock. A lot of team who play for 1 then 2 later run down the clock and let the game rest on the final 2 pt conversion. This is what makes that strategy wrong. Doing it McCarthy's way forces you to save time on the clock leaving at least the slim possibility that the onside kick will be successful.

If you go for 1 first then you have to ensure you leave time in case the 2 pt conversion fails, but if you do that, you risk tying the game with too much time on the clock for the other team to drive to FG range.

Here is the truth, the chances of winning being down 15 points that with 8 minutes left are slim to begin with regardless of how you play the next two TDs and extra points. There is no margin for error. The Cowboys got extremely lucky.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
LOL...…...having to make a miracle onsides kick to win 100% proved it was the wrong call.
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Let me ask you this: what's your plan if they kick the xp early and fail on the two-pointer late? Same plays, same outcomes, only the order is changed.
 
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I think normally you take the extra point on the 1st td and go for 2 on the next just to keep your team mentally in the game. Failing on the 2 point can take it out of a team because they now know the odds are long to be able to win. However the team never left down even after the missed 2 point conversion
 
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DCBoysfan said:
That's an interesting take. I thought it was a mistake at the time he did it.
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I still think it’s a mistake
By kicking it’s a one procession game
If you don’t convert it’s still a 2 procession game
 
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CowboyRoy said:
100% wrong. Making 1 two point conversion is more difficult then getting an onsides kick, going 30 yards and then kicking a 48 yard FG.

Honestly, its like talking to a bunch of homers that are trying anything to rationalize what was a horrible decision.
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It's the exact decision I'd make. You have to make the 1 2 point conversion at some point. I'd do it earlier every time.
 
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JD_KaPow said:
Let me ask you this: what's your plan if they kick the xp early and fail on the two-pointer late? Same plays, same outcomes, only the order is changed.
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Whats your plan of you miss the 2 pointer first? Recover an onsides kick? Yah, great strategy.
 
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CanadianCowboysFan said:
I get your point but when we were down 9, and the Falcons had the ball, our chance of wining was .1%. Not sure what it would have been at 8 down but likely better than 9 down
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But you make the decision before you know the outcome. So you need to compare the chances of winning between being down 8 and being down (7 or 9). Down 7 is way better than down 8.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Whats your plan of you miss the 2 pointer first? Recover an onsides kick? Yah, great strategy.
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Yes, my plan is recover an onsides kick. It's EXACTLY the same plan as if I kick the xp first and miss the 2-pointer later. There's no difference. What about that aren't you seeing?

The only difference is that if it happens early, you can plan around it.
 
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conner01 said:
I still think it’s a mistake
By kicking it’s a one procession game
If you don’t convert it’s still a 2 procession game
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... and if you fail on the second touchdown on the second TD it's still a two score situation. However, if you fail on the first attempt you have time to adjust. If you fail on the second attempt you may not. Going for 2 on the first TD gives you more options.
 
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