Seahawks mad about tackle

KingintheNorth · Sep 28, 2020

Dre11 said:
its the same thing the Seahawks coach, they just call it the Hawk roll.

Again, it's not rolling the ankle.

Dre11 · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Amazing to me how you guys "see" things. I love the Cowboys too but if something is wrong, say it's wrong.

Nowhere do they teach you to grab the ankle and gator roll. You drive your eyes through their thighs to see your target, wrap up with violent or sudden hands, and turn the whole player as you roll. You don't gator roll body parts.

it's not about seeing things, it's about the tackle. anytime you grab and roll you risk injuring a player, You're seeing a three hundred pound man to tacklingba man and you think he's going to be graceful in the way he tackle. nothing happens as it's demonstrated, what I see is the Seahawks getting mad about a tackle they teach and yes we taught this tackle and stopped because it suck and because of the risk of injuring players.

CATCH17 · Sep 28, 2020

Just ask the guy what the intent was.

It was a dirty play but how anyone knows if it was meant to be dirty is beyond me.

Dre11 · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Again, it's not rolling the ankle.

it wasn't his ankle it was his knee, and yes when rolling you're going to twist something especially if the player you're tackling isn't trying to go down or isn't just falling the way you want him to go. it's impossible to control the ball carrier

Ranching · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Amazing to me how you guys "see" things. I love the Cowboys too but if something is wrong, say it's wrong.

Nowhere do they teach you to grab the ankle and gator roll. You drive your eyes through their thighs to see your target, wrap up with violent or sudden hands, and turn the whole player as you roll. You don't gator roll body parts.

Its not taught but it happens in the heat of the moment. I've seen much worse. No big deal.

cern · Sep 28, 2020

it was not a dirty play. it happened due to what is called angular momentum in physics. if you fall out of a tree and land on someone under you, is it your fault you couldn't stop your fall in mid air? he was rolling and couldn't stop himself.

KingintheNorth · Sep 28, 2020

Dre11 said:
it wasn't his ankle it was his knee, and yes when rolling you're going to twist something especially if the player you're tackling isn't trying to go down or isn't just falling the way you want him to go. it's impossible to control the ball carrier

Yeah, I don't know how to help you.

You roll the body, it's fluid. We as humans bend at the waist and knee.

Trysten grabbed his ankle specifically and twisted, putting too much torque on the RB's knee.

There's a reason this is being talked about nationally, it was dirty.

Dre11 · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Yeah, I don't know how to help you.

You roll the body, it's fluid. We as humans bend at the waist and knee.

Trysten grabbed his ankle specifically and twisted, putting too much torque on the RB's knee.

There's a reason this is being talked about nationally, it was dirty.

You can't help, I've seen it in realtime in person, You're looking at tv, nobody said itbwasnt dirty, but don't cry wolf when it's your method of teaching. it's called a hawk roll for crying out loud...lol

KingintheNorth · Sep 28, 2020

Ranching said:
Its not taught but it happens in the heat of the moment. I've seen much worse. No big deal.

Okay coach.

Close your eyes.

Picture a running back running the ball and he gets tackled.

Now, picture a player arm-bars his ankle and violently rolls.

The running back's ankle, like all ankles, has a limited range it can bend. So once it reaches that limit, the torque transfers to the knee and causes a sprain a tear.

Getting tackled is part of football but this particular tackle (arm bar on the ankle) is not taught in football, like you said, but is in fact taught in MMA as a submission hold.

Can you picture it coach? Are your eyes closed? Can you see the broken RB on the ground, reaching in pain for his knee.

Now, imagine it's Ezekiel Elliott.

Vanilla2 · Sep 28, 2020

Here’s to hill rolling somebody out of the game next week

plymkr · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Amazing to me how you guys "see" things. I love the Cowboys too but if something is wrong, say it's wrong.

Nowhere do they teach you to grab the ankle and gator roll. You drive your eyes through their thighs to see your target, wrap up with violent or sudden hands, and turn the whole player as you roll. You don't gator roll body parts.

It was wrong when Hill did it and it was wrong when the Seahawks did it in 2018. The only difference our coaches didn't cry about it.

starfan1 · Sep 28, 2020

I think the injury was more about woods rolling on him combined with the tackle. If woods don't fall on him nothing happens

pupulehaole · Sep 28, 2020

cern said:
it was not a dirty play. it happened due to what is called angular momentum in physics. if you fall out of a tree and land on someone under you, is it your fault you couldn't stop your fall in mid air? he was rolling and couldn't stop himself.

LOL whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night

Ranching · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Okay coach.

Close your eyes.

Picture a running back running the ball and he gets tackled.

Now, picture a player arm-bars his ankle and violently rolls.

The running back's ankle, like all ankles, has a limited range it can bend. So once it reaches that limit, the torque transfers to the knee and causes a sprain a tear.

Getting tackled is part of football but this particular tackle (arm bar on the ankle) is not taught in football, like you said, but is in fact taught in MMA as a submission hold.

Can you picture it coach? Are your eyes closed? Can you see the broken RB on the ground, reaching in pain for his knee.

Now, imagine it's Ezekiel Elliott.

I don't have to close my eyes, I've seen it first hand, many times.
Injuries and dirty play are part of the game. I tore up my ankle and needed a complete reconstruction and ligament transplant. Stuff happens.

rags · Sep 28, 2020

cowboyblue22 said:
how about the shot at c d lambs knees on special team return in the game

This.

Dre11 · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Okay coach.

Close your eyes.

Picture a running back running the ball and he gets tackled.

Now, picture a player arm-bars his ankle and violently rolls.

The running back's ankle, like all ankles, has a limited range it can bend. So once it reaches that limit, the torque transfers to the knee and causes a sprain a tear.

Getting tackled is part of football but this particular tackle (arm bar on the ankle) is not taught in football, like you said, but is in fact taught in MMA as a submission hold.

Can you picture it coach? Are your eyes closed? Can you see the broken RB on the ground, reaching in pain for his knee.

Now, imagine it's Ezekiel Elliott.

lol....its not where he grab, it's the roll that caused the injury, I've seen worse with Zeke, what's your point. You need to open your eyes. anytime you roll while bringing someone down to the ground and you weigh 300+ pounds there's a possibility of injuring something that's just physics. lol

KingintheNorth · Sep 28, 2020

Ranching said:
I don't have to close my eyes, I've seen it first hand, many times.

If an opposing player did that to your player you absolutely should be upset.

If your player did that to an opposing player, you should be ashamed and apologetic.

Ranching · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
If an opposing player did that to your player you absolutely should be upset.

If your player did that to an opposing player, you should be ashamed and apologetic.

If its done on purpose, yes. This didn't look like it was done on purpose, just momentum. People making too much out if it.

Ranching · Sep 28, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
If an opposing player did that to your player you absolutely should be upset.

If your player did that to an opposing player, you should be ashamed and apologetic.

As a coach, I would expect you to defend the player and not jump on the bandwagon. This was not intentional......

KingintheNorth · Sep 28, 2020

Ranching said:
As a coach, I would expect you to defend the player and not jump on the bandwagon. This was not intentional......

If I saw one of my players do what Hill did, I would remove him from the game. Depending on his response and attitude, he might not getting back in.

He would also be apologizing after the game.

I'm not sure how some of you aren't (refuse to?) seeing that he arm-barred the player's ankle. Not cool.

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