Dallas Players in Kansas City

kwcool619 · Sep 29, 2020

Hardline said:
Until Mahomes came along all Texas Tech QBs in the NFL were bust.

The only ones I hear about now are Kliff Kingsbury (Cardinals head coach) and Graham Harrell (USC offensive coordinator. Kingsbury first accepted the job before landing the Cards job). In year 1, Harrell did good. He had Kedon Slovis slinging it a lot.

xwalker · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
I can't help noticing how good our ex-Cowboys have played for Kansas City.

Damien Wilson made some good tackles and had a pass breakup.

Anthony Hitchens is their leading tackler. He had a tackle for a loss on a screen play. He seems to be their QB on defense.

Taco had a sack tonight. He now has 2 for the season.

I also wish we could have both safeties of theirs, Juan Thornhill and Honey Badger. I'm upset that we could have gotten Juan Thornhill instead of Trysten Hill.

This is what happens when you entrust non-football players to run this team. I'm talking about Jerry and Stephen.

What are you guys thoughts?

Hitchens was good in Dallas. Most fans didn't know it, but he was very good.

Having said that the 9M per year contract seemed extreme to me at the time.
- If the Cowboy made a mistake, it was not signing Hitchens the year before when he likely would have signed for much less.

The KC defense is a better fit for Wilson than the 4-3 the Cowboys were playing. The KC defense hides his weakness in coverage.

Trysten Hill is playing well for the Cowboys. If they had not drafted him, it would be Tyrone Crawford playing all of those snaps...

Aviano90 · Sep 29, 2020

They escaped!

Praxit · Sep 29, 2020

fivetwos said:
I'm not so sure the same players would perform the same in different environments.

Coaching and/or scheme has a lot to do with it.

Jerry, on the other hand, doesnt agree. He thinks coaching is no big deal, and anyone could do it, including him.

That's a large part of the Dallas dysfunction.

..yep, and finding out the hard way. He may never see another Dallas SB in his lifetime. Dallas will get back there one day, eventually.

xwalker · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
I was listening to the announcers and they were ecstatic to have Hitchens. They said that his a perfect fit for their defense and its no surprise that he is succeeding there.

They also knew that Maholmes was going to be a star and traded up to get him.

I always thought Hitchens wasn't worth the contract and Maholmes was just another QB with a strong arm. Boy was I wrong.

The Chiefs is a well-oiled pro football machine. Everything is pieced well together. Dallas is still a jigsaw puzzle scattered into pieces.

Hitchens/Wilson are solid on a great overall team but if you focus on the ability of either one, are they really much better than Joe Thomas?
- My feeling is that Thomas would be having similar success in KC and might even beat out Wilson.

Qcard · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
I was listening to the announcers and they were ecstatic to have Hitchens. They said that his a perfect fit for their defense and its no surprise that he is succeeding there.

They also knew that Maholmes was going to be a star and traded up to get him.

I always thought Hitchens wasn't worth the contract and Maholmes was just another QB with a strong arm. Boy was I wrong.

The Chiefs is a well-oiled pro football machine. Everything is pieced well together. Dallas is still a jigsaw puzzle scattered into pieces.

Praxit · Sep 29, 2020

xwalker said:
Hitchens/Wilson are solid on a great overall team but if you focus on the ability of either one, are they really much better than Joe Thomas?
- My feeling is that Thomas would be having similar success in KC and might even beat out Wilson.

..I was never big on Hitch, reminds me of Jaylon. THey need good players around them to make plays. Unlike the kinds of Lee, where instincts take them right to the ball.

Cowpolk · Sep 29, 2020

Is this where i'm supposed to go wwwwaaaaaahhhhhhh

exciter · Sep 29, 2020

AmericanCowboy said:
Taco with more sacks than D-Law.

Chevarious Ward (however you spell it) was also on our team but we cut him for some reason- probably because his draft pedigree was non existent or he wasn’t a “Garrett guy.”

no idea how he is doing this year but I remember reading that he was having a good year last year. He had two interceptions which would have made him a superstar here.

Believe Ward was traded for the OL player that got injured 2 days late, after the Frederick diagnosis!

Sydla · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
I can't help noticing how good our ex-Cowboys have played for Kansas City.

Damien Wilson made some good tackles and had a pass breakup.

Anthony Hitchens is their leading tackler. He had a tackle for a loss on a screen play. He seems to be their QB on defense.

Taco had a sack tonight. He now has 2 for the season.

I also wish we could have both safeties of theirs, Juan Thornhill and Honey Badger. I'm upset that we could have gotten Juan Thornhill instead of Trysten Hill.

This is what happens when you entrust non-football players to run this team. I'm talking about Jerry and Stephen.

What are you guys thoughts?

Hitchens has been a bust signing for them. He's been barely adequate in his time there. Wilson? I liked him but he got paid and he's an average LB.

This isn't a defense of Smith or LVE or our LB play but I wouldn't lament the loss of Hitchens and Wilson as bad decisions. Hitchens got overpaid. He has a Jaylon Smith-esque contract (actually, if I recall, it might be worse than Smith's).

NorthTexan95 · Sep 29, 2020

Sydla said:
Hitchens has been a bust signing for them. He's been barely adequate in his time there. Wilson? I liked him but he got paid and he's an average LB.

This isn't a defense of Smith or LVE or our LB play but I wouldn't lament the loss of Hitchens and Wilson as bad decisions. Hitchens got overpaid. He has a Jaylon Smith-esque contract (actually, if I recall, it might be worse than Smith's).

This!

So much stupidity by others in this thread.

darthseinfeld · Sep 29, 2020

AmericanCowboy said:
Taco with more sacks than D-Law.

Chevarious Ward (however you spell it) was also on our team but we cut him for some reason- probably because his draft pedigree was non existent or he wasn’t a “Garrett guy.”

no idea how he is doing this year but I remember reading that he was having a good year last year. He had two interceptions which would have made him a superstar here.

We traded Ward

ConstantReboot · Sep 29, 2020

Sydla said:
Hitchens has been a bust signing for them. He's been barely adequate in his time there. Wilson? I liked him but he got paid and he's an average LB.

This isn't a defense of Smith or LVE or our LB play but I wouldn't lament the loss of Hitchens and Wilson as bad decisions. Hitchens got overpaid. He has a Jaylon Smith-esque contract (actually, if I recall, it might be worse than Smith's).

Why has Hitchens been a bad signing for them? He is their leading tackler and seems to get everyone lined up correctly on defense.

Wilson has been solid for them as well. He had a few pressures on Jackson and knocked the ball out of the hands of the Raven's TE. When was the last time any of our linebackers made a play on a ball?

KC loves Hitchens. He is perfect for their defense. We think he is overpaid because we have several players that fail to produce and still get paid. An example is Jaylon Smith.

Sydla · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
Why has Hitchens been a bad signing for them? He is their leading tackler and seems to get everyone lined up correctly on defense.

Wilson has been solid for them as well. He had a few pressures on Jackson and knocked the ball out of the hands of the Raven's TE. When was the last time any of our linebackers made a play on a ball?

KC loves Hitchens. He is perfect for their defense. We think he is overpaid because we have several players that fail to produce and still get paid. An example is Jaylon Smith.

You are putting way too much emphasis on one game last night. Also, you put a lot of emphasis on being the leading tackler. Jaylon Smith is tied for the team lead in tackles for us. He led the team in tackles last year too. So I guess Smith is pretty good too then right?

Hitchens is an average LB. We didn't make a mistake in letting him walk. And no, they haven't always loved Hitchens. He was actually pretty blah last year and got criticized. In fact, here's a blurb from a beat writer after the season:

Anthony Hitchens continued to struggle to live up to his contract, a 5-year $45 million dollar contract. Hitchens’ weaknesses have been consistent throughout his tenure as a Chief. He struggles with run defense and passes coverage. Hitchens is at his best when he’s running downhill, but struggles to move laterally in space.

Hitchens had some nice moments in the playoffs, but most of those highlights were from designed blitzes that allowed Hitchens to explode past the line of scrimmage. Despite starting 15 games and being a more natural 4-3 defender (Spags’ system), Hitchens’ lack of improvement in spite of his health was disappointing.

ConstantReboot · Sep 29, 2020

Sydla said:
You are putting way too much emphasis on one game last night. Also, you put a lot of emphasis on being the leading tackler. Jaylon Smith is tied for the team lead in tackles for us. He led the team in tackles last year too. So I guess Smith is pretty good too then right?

Hitchens is an average LB. We didn't make a mistake in letting him walk. And no, they haven't always loved Hitchens. He was actually pretty blah last year and got criticized. In fact, here's a blurb from a beat writer after the season:

I guess there is two sides to the coin on this debate. You right...he wasn't that good last year. I also think he is overpaid.

Jaylon Smith is not very good. We have overpaid him also.

Sydla · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
I guess there is two sides to the coin on this debate. You right...he wasn't that good last year. I also think he is overpaid.

Jaylon Smith is not very good. We have overpaid him also.

The reality is you probably aren't going to get an accurate description of how a player is playing by what their in house announcers think. Beat writers tend to be more honest and analytical. You can find a few articles about how Hitchens hasn't been all that good. I wouldn't lose any sleep over not having Hitchens or what our defense would look like if we had Hitchens.

He's a dime a dozen LB making a lot of money. As you said, like our LB.

Chocolate Lab · Sep 29, 2020

I always kind of liked WIlson, for what he is. He's obviously not a great LB, but for the money I thought he was quietly solid.

But I'm not sure what kind of entrepreneur or brand builder he is. That's what matters around here.

AmericanCowboy · Sep 29, 2020

John813 said:
We traded him to KC for Parker Ehinger.

ahh forgot the great Parker

jblaze2004 · Sep 29, 2020

kwcool619 said:
My ongoing complaint is that the Jones family needs to hire a football savvy GM/Director of Player personnel. Why are these players succeeding on other teams? Maybe it is the atmosphere. Maybe they are being coached up sonewhere else? Why do we constantly draft players who were injury prone in college?

What's even worst is his son is a cheaper Jerry Jones lol

big dog cowboy · Sep 29, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
This is what happens when you entrust non-football players to run this team. I'm talking about Jerry and Stephen.

Do you have any idea how many non-football players own NFL teams? A lot! I'm guessing the number is below 1.

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