Dalton's play will decide Prescott's future

gjkoeppen

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Whenever you can let a franchise QB walk for a 3rd round comp pick you just have to do it. Great team building




Here's a news flash for you - Teams don't let franchise QB's walk even for a 3rd round pick, except the one that already had 20 seasons in the league not one that is just going into his prime.
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A player who was tagged can not be traded until he signs the tag offer, but more importantly is the Cowboys, Jerry, Stephen and McCarthy have said all along and even after this injury that Prescott is their QB for the future so the chances that they would then trade him is just about ZERO.
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Sounds like similar comments made over the past two years. But no deal.

Things that make you go hmmm.
 

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If Dalton takes this team to the playoffs he will show a QB can win with a bad offensive line and historically bad defense, and in the same year. I will definitely tip my hat to that accomplishment and admit I was wrong about him. Hell, I would even put him behind Roger and Troy on my list of top Cowboys QBs.
 

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A player who has been tagged can not be traded until the tag is signed. Now those that think there is even a remote chance that the Cowboys regardless what Dalton does or doesn't do will ever trade the QB they have said repeatedly even after this injury that Prescott is their QB of the future. The only ones that believe that the Cowboys would trade Prescott are the same ones that have wanted Prescott gone to start out with.
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Do you believe everything everybody says or just things that push forward your narrative? Thanks for the answer on the franchise tag and trades though.
 

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A player who was tagged can not be traded until he signs the tag offer, but more importantly is the Cowboys, Jerry, Stephen and McCarthy have said all along and even after this injury that Prescott is their QB for the future so the chances that they would then trade him is just about ZERO.
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If he was their QB of the future he would've been signed by now. Actions not words over here
 

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One thing to consider in this tagging of Prescott again is his mindset after this injury. He bet on himself twice before by playing in his contract year and tag year but how does he look at this now. He's never had an injury like this and the damage could have been severe enough to be career threatening.

There is also another side to this. Booger likes Prescott, he likes everything about him and probably including he was willing to bet on himself and didn't hold out like some think he should have done. If they tag him again, what's the signal sent and more importantly, received?

There is something in play here more important than the contract and money to Booger, the relationship. I will be surprised if a long term deal isn't in effect immediately when that window opens after this season.

We talk a lot about the owner being his own GM but this is one time that plays to Prescott's side of the ledger, Booger is not tagging him again because that would cast doubt and I do not think he has any doubt that he wants Dak to be his QB.
This is not just Jerry's decision. Stephen's (the heir apparent) view and opinion is just about equal to his father in all matters Cowboys. (I will a
believed he swung his father over to stick with Prescott instead of returning Romo as the starter in 2016, and to release Dez Bryant after the 2017 season.
 

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Dak will be back in 2021 with a new contract, Dalton will be a starter with another team.

Exactly. Dalton did not come here to be the backup for years. He signed a one year deal and will move on and start somewhere else. It won't be here.

This is the same situation as Foles vs Wentz. Wentz is their guy no matter what. Foles goes and wins a Super Bowl and it still did not change their thoughts. It will be the exact same thing here.
 

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Yeah I don't know how the franchise tag would work in regards to trades if he doesn't sign before the draft. If Dalton plays like I think he will unless we trade up we won't be able to get a top QB. You know how I feel about Dak, Dalton, Cousins, and Smith so I think he will play just decent enough to take us out of the running for a top tier QB and we will be in. Kirk Cousins land next offseason again.


I hear ya. I know your feelings. I get it. I disagree with aspects But I get where you’re coming from.

If Dak is gone next year. I definitely want them to draft a first rounder though.


The bust % on an taken later is just too high.


I will be upset if they try to “get lucky” on a QB in later rounds.

if they replace Dak. I want them to go for the gold ya know.
 

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I hear ya. I know your feelings. I get it. I disagree with aspects But I get where you’re coming from.

If Dak is gone next year. I definitely want them to draft a first rounder though.


The bust % on an taken later is just too high.


I will be upset if they try to “get lucky” on a QB in later rounds.

if they replace Dak. I want them to go for the gold ya know.
For what you want I think Dalton will play just good enough that Dak doesn't have to worry about a high draft pick to even think about QB unless its a situation like the Packers this year.
 

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Tony Romo says hello. Lol. I agree that’s the most likely scenario, but Tony Romo/Dak situation indicates it can happen.

It’s similar to the Wentz/Foles deal too in a lot of ways.

It’s a bit different since Wentz got injured in week 14 or so, he was having an MVP season and the eagles were on their way to being the #1 seed, they knew he was their future. In hindsight, was it a good decision I’m not sure but it was the right one at the moment.
The question is, what happens if Dalton plays great and we get to the divisional playoffs or more after starting the season 1-3 with Dak? I do think the FO would have to have a conversation on what to do with the Dak/Dalton matter... no other way around it.
 

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It’s a bit different since Wentz got injured in week 14 or so, he was having an MVP season and the eagles were on their way to being the #1 seed, they knew he was their future. In hindsight, was it a good decision I’m not sure but it was the right one at the moment.
The question is, what happens if Dalton plays great and we get to the divisional playoffs or more after starting the season 1-3 with Dak? I do think the FO would have to have a conversation on what to do with the Dak/Dalton matter... no other way around it.


Actually. The eagles re-signed Wentz after the following season. When he got hurt in like week 11. Had a losing record and Foles took the team on a winning streak and into the playoffs.

then the eagles let Foles walk and signed Wentz long term.

FWIW.


Signing Wentz long term I think, was the right decision. Ultimately. That doesn’t mean it pans out of course. But it was still the right decision.
 
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Romo was tossed to the curb by this FO what makes you think they won’t do the same to Dak if Dalton ends up leading the team to a division title while playing well?

2016: Romo was 36, Dak 23.
2020: Dak is 27, Dalton 32.
 

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Dalton has led just as many game winning drives as Dak has led this season. Let’s be honest, Dak was not enough of a difference maker to win games this season. He is not good enough to carry the team. The $31 million salary this year has been no bargain for the Cowboys compared to the results on the scoreboard .

The QB has not been born who can carry a defense that gives up 35 points a game. This is a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to. You also conveniently forget that the only reason Dalton HAD to lead a comeback was because he fumbled to let the Giants score.. The Cowboys were winning and going in for a score to go up two scores when Dak left the game. Dalton let the Giants back into the game and then had to lead a 4th quarter comeback. There is no shame in admitting that Dak is the better of the two. That's not saying Dalton sucks or Dalton is a bum.. He's just not as good as the guy with who was leading the NFL's #1 offense and who had set a record for most yards in a 4 game stretch. I believe Dalton is good enough to win 8 of these next 11 games... if the defense shows up week in and week out. The difference is that if the defense showed up week in and week out for Dak we'd be 5-0 right now and would probably be favored in every game the rest of the season.
 

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I have seen multiple threads of how Prescott should or shouldn't get paid next year.

The incredible twist now is how Andy Dalton and the team does the rest of the year will go a long ways to deciding his future and Prescott's with Dallas.

Scenario 1: Dallas doesn't win division or make playoffs. I think Dalton doesn't return and Prescott is franchised or signed long term.

Scenario 2: Dallas wins the division, but loses in wildcard round. I think Dalton is used as leverage against Prescott. If Prescott doesn't sign a team friendly deal, Dallas then signs Dalton to a 2 to 3 year deal at 20 million per(like Bridgewater) till the next quarterback is found. Prescott is exclusively tagged. If there are no takers before free agency the tag is rescinded and Prescott becomes free agent(should net 3rd round pick).

Scenario 3: Dallas wins divison and wins more than one playoff game. Dallas is now between a rock and a hard place. Dalton gets resigned, but his asking price just went up north of 25 million per. Dallas uses exclusive tag on Prescott, but if there are no takers, hits free agency. Same as scenario 3.

Scenario 4: Dallas wins SB. Dalton is signed to a long term deal(four years)and Prescott is done in Dallas.

The only scenario I see that Prescott comes back is Dallas not having a successful 2020. The more success Dallas has, the chances Prescott comes back drops with each victory.

Ironically, Prescott has to root against Dallas for his future in Dallas.
Scenario 1 is going to happen. Well I feel very strongly it'll happen. With Dak as our QB we were going to be 6-10. Without Dak we most likely be 3-13. Let's not forget that our 2 victories came at the expense of the 2 worst teams in the league and we barely beat them by last second heroics. If we win the division it'll be a shock, if we win a playoff game will be a bigger shock, if we win the SB it will be the most incredible story in sports history. They'll make a lifetime or hallmark movie about our season if we win the SB. It'll be one of those inspirational movies that is shown as an afterschool special.
 

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Scenario 1 is going to happen. Well I feel very strongly it'll happen. With Dak as our QB we were going to be 6-10. Without Dak we most likely be 3-13. Let's not forget that our 2 victories came at the expense of the 2 worst teams in the league and we barely beat them by last second heroics. If we win the division it'll be a shock, if we win a playoff game will be a bigger shock, if we win the SB it will be the most incredible story in sports history. They'll make a lifetime or hallmark movie about our season if we win the SB. It'll be one of those inspirational movies that is shown as an afterschool special.

You are in cloud cookoo land my friend if you think this team finishes 3-13 in this division. We still have 5 divisional games so that's worst case scenario 3 wins straight off the hip there, more likely 4.

You are MASSIVELY overrating the drop off from Prescott to Dalton.

We will win 7, 8 or 9 games and the division - as we would have done with Prescott.

It could be argued that Andy Dalton is currently the best QB in the NFC East.
 

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The QB has not been born who can carry a defense that gives up 35 points a game. This is a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to. You also conveniently forget that the only reason Dalton HAD to lead a comeback was because he fumbled to let the Giants score.. The Cowboys were winning and going in for a score to go up two scores when Dak left the game. Dalton let the Giants back into the game and then had to lead a 4th quarter comeback. There is no shame in admitting that Dak is the better of the two. That's not saying Dalton sucks or Dalton is a bum.. He's just not as good as the guy with who was leading the NFL's #1 offense and who had set a record for most yards in a 4 game stretch. I believe Dalton is good enough to win 8 of these next 11 games... if the defense shows up week in and week out. The difference is that if the defense showed up week in and week out for Dak we'd be 5-0 right now and would probably be favored in every game the rest of the season.
Those garbage time stats don’t impress me much when they don’t translate to wins. At least Dalton made a game winning drive after turning the ball over. Dak has turned the ball over this year and he didn’t make up for those turnovers in any way. Those turnovers just added to the opposing team’s blowouts.
 
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