Turning from tanking

Diehardblues · Nov 17, 2020

CATCH17 said:
If Dallas is sitting #2 somehow and agents get involved then all bets are off and just pointing to the Burrow situation is a lot different if Dallas is knocking on he door.

Jets are in a perfect situation to pass on a QB too and sticking with the one they just drafted.

Regardless. Dallas has to move mountains to make this happen. If they don’t attempt it they are fools. They are 2 picks from this guy.

No one wants to be the one who passes on Trevor if he’s at your slot. .

Dallas doesn’t want Trevor and certainly wouldn’t give up multiple picks and players for him. We are all in on Dak regardless what we think of that.

This is all just rumors and speculation which of course media, social media and forums like this feed off of.

What we really should be looking at is what will our pick be at the #3 slot.

CowboyRoy · Nov 17, 2020

LACowboysFan1 said:
It's not a black/white or either/or discussion. There's reasons for both views...

All wins do is drop the team in draft position. They hurt the team. That simple. NO other way to look at it.

CowboyRoy · Nov 17, 2020

LACowboysFan1 said:
Hit and miss, like all teams, that's just the facts. No SBs in 25 years, and the same owner all those years. Not a mentality, it's a fact, results speak for themselves...

Yep, its hit or miss, but you historically have a better chance with higher picks. THOSE are the facts.

CowboyRoy · Nov 17, 2020

Diehardblues said:
We see it , we just don’t agree that trying to lose out is what’s best for the mindset of the team and coaching staff.

Regardless , gaining a higher pick from the result of losing is a benefit from losing and shouldn’t be an objective to lose.

Losing breeds more losing. Fighting hard attempting to win is a much better culture. One pick , potentially a couple slots ahead probably isn’t going to turn next season on a dime as much as returning all of our injured stars.

And we probably won’t win another game anyway. One or two wins max IMO which won’t effect our draft slot much anyway, if at all. It’d be different if we had a shot at the #1 pick and we really wanted Trevor.

Who is trying to lose? Were talking about fans rooting for a loss. Let them play their hearts out all they like.

You dont see the value of getting a top 2 pick and having someone trade for Lawrence or Fields?

McKDaddy · Nov 17, 2020

NorthDalal said:
Jerry Rice lasted till the third round

Jerry was #16 overall.

No doubt there is some validity to what you say about the draft being a crapshoot. However, picking at 3 (in each round) gives you opportunities to get it right you won't have picking 12th or 19th. If you have any faith in your staff to find good players, give them all the ammo you can.
If its a complete crapshoot you should fire your personnel department & just go off the "concensus rankings" from the analysts. Save a bunch of money!!

jnday · Nov 17, 2020

Rockport said:
You’re talking out both sides your mouth like many others. You can’t have it both ways. Bow up and take a damn stance.

Most reasonable fans won’t take any joy from having a horrible team that wins the NFCE and gets embarrassed in their first playoff game. Winning the NFCE would only mean that the Cowboys stink just a little less than the rest of the garbage teams in the conference. Is reaching the playoffs with a terrible team worth sacrificing top draft picks? Would that playoff blowout loss help the team long term like drafting the best players in the draft?

jnday · Nov 17, 2020

McKDaddy said:
Jerry was #16 overall.

No doubt there is some validity to what you say about the draft being a crapshoot. However, picking at 3 (in each round) gives you opportunities to get it right you won't have picking 12th or 19th. If you have any faith in your staff to find good players, give them all the ammo you can.
If its a complete crapshoot you should fire your personnel department & just go off the "concensus rankings" from the analysts. Save a bunch of money!!

When you are picking top five, there is much less risk involved in getting elite talent. You are 100% correct in saying that the entire scouting/personnel department should be fired if it is a big crapshoot picking in the top five.

stiletto · Nov 17, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Not if NOT getting to first base means you get to draft the next Babe Ruth. Im actually shocked that so many of you cant see the overwhelming benefits of losing.

I can't believe there are fans left that want to win another game this season....

jnday · Nov 17, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Who is trying to lose? Were talking about fans rooting for a loss. Let them play their hearts out all they like.

You dont see the value of getting a top 2 pick and having someone trade for Lawrence or Fields?

Not only is there tremendous value in having a top two pick for teams to trade up, it is valuable having the chance to draft Lawrence , because he is considered along the same quality of QB as Manning, Luck and Elway. Being this close , it is crazy if they don’t try everything possible to get a generational talent at QB.

Diehardblues · Nov 17, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Who is trying to lose? Were talking about fans rooting for a loss. Let them play their hearts out all they like.

You dont see the value of getting a top 2 pick and having someone trade for Lawrence or Fields?

Yes I do but I don’t think we’ll get to a top 2 pick.

SSoup · Nov 17, 2020

CouchCoach said:
You are aware that the owners share the playoff revenue?

They share the TV revenue and ticket revenue. But if I'm not mistaken, concessions and parking go to the home team. Also, there's a fair bet that making the playoffs also factors into all the sponsorship deals that teams ***** themselves out for, likely with triggers that raise the payout if the team makes the postseason.

So there's absolutely money in it for NFL teams who host playoff games.

It's just not make-or-break money the way some poorer teams claim (likely falsely) in other sports, where it's common for NHL or MLB or NBA teams to claim they'll only turn a profit if they make the playoffs or make a run past the first round of the playoffs.

At any rate, I don't care at all who wins the division if it's not us, regardless of who won the division the previous year. I can't possibly think of a dumber reason to want the team to move down from 5 to 19 in the draft. We'll be starting at least 5 backups on offense and at least 4 or 5 backups on defense. This is the team you're dying to see trade a top 5 pick for the chance to see what they can do in the playoffs?

In 1998, the Titans lost out down the stretch and cost themselves a playoff berth. We won out down the stretch and won ourselves a playoff berth in '98. We did nothing with our playoff berth, as we embarrassed ourselves in a home loss to Arizona (and we were a 10-6 team that wasn't starting 9 or 10 backups). The Titans went on to make the Super Bowl the next year, while we got worse, going only 8-8 in 1999 (and not having another winning record or playoff berth until a full 5 years after '98). Why? Because the Titans got to pick higher than we did, and they got DE Jevon Kearse while we had to settle for DE Ebenezer Ekuban. Was the playoff berth in 1998 worth it? Nope. Is a 2020 playoff berth likely to be any more worth it? Nope.

Diehardblues · Nov 17, 2020

jnday said:
Not only is there tremendous value in having a top two pick for teams to trade up, it is valuable having the chance to draft Lawrence , because he is considered along the same quality of QB as Manning, Luck and Elway. Being this close , it is crazy if they don’t try everything possible to get a generational talent at QB.

I agree but we don’t appear interested in a QB. We appear all in on Dak according to reports and statement from our dysfunctional ownership.

And I don’t think we’ll get either of those slots regardless. Everyone can root for it all they want.

Diehardblues · Nov 17, 2020

SSoup said:
They share the TV revenue and ticket revenue. But if I'm not mistaken, concessions and parking go to the home team. Also, there's a fair bet that making the playoffs also factors into all the sponsorship deals that teams ***** themselves out for, likely with triggers that raise the payout if the team makes the postseason.

So there's absolutely money in it for NFL teams who host playoff games.

It's just not make-or-break money the way some poorer teams claim (likely falsely) in other sports, where it's common for NHL or MLB or NBA teams to claim they'll only turn a profit if they make the playoffs or make a run past the first round of the playoffs.

At any rate, I don't care at all who wins the division if it's not us, regardless of who won the division the previous year. I can't possibly think of a dumber reason to want the team to move down from 5 to 19 in the draft. We'll be starting at least 5 backups on offense and at least 4 or 5 backups on defense. This is the team you're dying to see trade a top 5 pick for the chance to see what they can do in the playoffs?

In 1998, the Titans lost out down the stretch and cost themselves a playoff berth. We won out down the stretch and won ourselves a playoff berth in '98. We did nothing with our playoff berth, as we embarrassed ourselves in a home loss to Arizona (and we were a 10-6 team that wasn't starting 9 or 10 backups). The Titans went on to make the Super Bowl the next year, while we got worse, going only 8-8 in 1999 (and not having another winning record or playoff berth until a full 5 years after '98). Why? Because the Titans got to pick higher than we did, and they got DE Jevon Kearse while we had to settle for DE Ebenezer Ekuban. Was the playoff berth in 1998 worth it? Nope. Is a 2020 playoff berth likely to be any more worth it? Nope.

Actually many teams have reported they actually lose money hosting playoff games. Unlike individual home games the revenue is shared in a pool for all teams including the stadium ticket sales and merchandise.

The windfall usually comes in the following season with increased tickets and additional private box seats sold after making the playoffs.

CATCH17 · Nov 17, 2020

Diehardblues said:
No one wants to be the one who passes on Trevor if he’s at your slot. .

Dallas doesn’t want Trevor and certainly wouldn’t give up multiple picks and players for him. We are all in on Dak regardless what we think of that.

This is all just rumors and speculation which of course media, social media and forums like this feed off of.

What we really should be looking at is what will our pick be at the #3 slot.

Dallas should give up multiple picks and players for him.

Any team with an opportunity to draft this player should.

Conservative moves has brought Dallas conservative results. Go get this guy. Stop being scared.

chagus · Nov 17, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Winning the East only means the Cowboys will get killed in the playoffs and be one and done. Again.

Not advocating tanking, but I want the higher draft picks.

^EXACTLY THIS^

chagus · Nov 17, 2020

The ONLY reason this is being discussed is because of the Steelers game. Boys showed some life on both sides of the ball. Heck of a game, but I think this an anomaly especially with Dalton back at QB.

CouchCoach · Nov 17, 2020

CATCH17 said:
If Dallas is sitting #2 somehow and agents get involved then all bets are off and just pointing to the Burrow situation is a lot different if Dallas is knocking on he door.

Jets are in a perfect situation to pass on a QB too and sticking with the one they just drafted.

Regardless. Dallas has to move mountains to make this happen. If they don’t attempt it they are fools. They are 2 picks from this guy.

So, you are assuming he would prefer Dallas because it's QB heaven and they've been so good building teams around QB's?

NY is a pretty good pull for a name QB, just ask Joe Willie. I would be surprised if any QB the Jets chose balked at going there, the money is the same and they could be making some changes to accommodate a new QB.

Because of where he's played his college ball, JAX might be the preferable place for him but refusing to go to NY might be the wrong move.

CouchCoach · Nov 17, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Actually many teams have reported they actually lose money hosting playoff games. Unlike individual home games the revenue is shared in a pool for all teams including the stadium ticket sales and merchandise.

The windfall usually comes in the following season with increased tickets and additional private box seats sold after making the playoffs.

And that has little to no value to Booger as he uses the movement of inventory to raise ticket prices.

CouchCoach · Nov 17, 2020

Let me caution the Lawrenceheads a little. Before you go thinking he's can't miss and the next Manning or Luck, check him against Bama in the CFP game and how they set up their pro style D to confuse and frustrate him. He's great at the college level but so are a lot of college players that fizzle at the next level.

You cannot forget the "team rule" when drafting players. That's the mistake they made with Claiborne and Spears, they weren't the best players on their own college D and neither was that good in the NFL. Lawrence and Fields are surrounded by 4-5 star recruits and top level D's. Lawrence has had excellent coaching and has been playing with the next Dalvin Cook at RB.

starfan1 · Nov 17, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Let me caution the Lawrenceheads a little. Before you go thinking he's can't miss and the next Manning or Luck, check him against Bama in the CFP game and how they set up their pro style D to confuse and frustrate him. He's great at the college level but so are a lot of college players that fizzle at the next level.

You cannot forget the "team rule" when drafting players. That's the mistake they made with Claiborne and Spears, they weren't the best players on their own college D and neither was that good in the NFL. Lawrence and Fields are surrounded by 4-5 star recruits and top level D's. Lawrence has had excellent coaching and has been playing with the next Dalvin Cook at RB.

how dare you use common sense. There's no reasoning with these tank for Trevor guys. With some of them they are just using the name of Trevor because they want anyone but our current QB. Some of them just believe because of Pedigree its plug and play and wollah super bowl. Others don't want to pay Dak its a mixed bag of things but anyone who believes that QB is the issue with this team needs their head examined. But we are all a bunch of loyal fans to a fault so maybe we all need our head examined!

I'm still holding out for NFC East title but nevertheless on the 29th of April draft day there are going to be several disappointed posters and i think they are in the Tank for Trevor camp.

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