PPF: Dak's contract projection

to much for a guy that can't beat a winning team


Prescott has played 18 career games against teams that would finish with 10-plus wins, and he is 5-13 against them

PAPPYDOG said:

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Loved that scene from Goodfellas --Ray has the best laugh

The cowboys need much of the cap money to fix the Defense , not to pay QB 35-40 mil . It won’t work .

Does the CFL pay that much now?

basel90 said:

The cowboys need much of the cap money to fix the Defense , not to pay QB 35-40 mil . It won’t work .

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Here's the worst part about it. If he signed a 4 year deal the cap hit wouldn't be too bad next year. The year Dallas won't be making any kind of splash. I wonder if Jerry takes that into consideration when doing contracts? Dallas isn't going anywhere next year, so he should front load his contract. Just focus on the draft and rookies for the upcoming season and if he does decide to pay Dak, make the biggest cap hit be for 2021. If all goes well I have hope for 2022 and '23. That is when Dak's cap hit should be lower and Dallas might be able to sign some FA's.

Flamma said:

Here's the worst part about it. If he signed a 4 year deal the cap hit wouldn't be too bad next year. The year Dallas won't be making any kind of splash. I wonder if Jerry takes that into consideration when doing contracts? Dallas isn't going anywhere next year, so he should front load his contract. Just focus on the draft and rookies for the upcoming season and if he does decide to pay Dak, make the biggest cap hit be for 2021. If all goes well I have hope for 2022 and '23. That is when Dak's cap hit should be lower and Dallas might be able to sign some FA's.

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Very true . I think they tries this with Dak last year but he did not sign . The bottom line is I don’t see Dak as a difference maker for this team . We have seen what he is . A good bus driver when everything is great with optimal top ( OL/ RB / WR). But the results have been losses against good teams and sometimes bad teams , and the offense unable to bail a a leaky defense in so many games . Because Dak is not elite and the defense was just that bad . 40 million for the QB position will handicap this team . It will be politically correct and get the positive PR , but the team will not go anywhere near a super bowl , as that cap hit will prevent the team from acquiring many needed players . Not to mention this team already has overpaid players with guaranteed money ( zeke ) , and others already expensive players ( Cooper ; DLaw etc ) .

basel90 said:

Very true . I think they tries this with Dak last year but he did not sign . The bottom line is I don’t see Dak as a difference maker for this team . We have seen what he is . A good bus driver when everything is great with optimal top ( OL/ RB / WR). But the results have been losses against good teams and sometimes bad teams , and the offense unable to bail a a leaky defense in so many games . Because Dak is not elite and the defense was just that bad . 40 million for the QB position will handicap this team . It will be politically correct and get the positive PR , but the team will not go anywhere near a super bowl , as that cap hit will prevent the team from acquiring many needed players . Not to mention this team already has overpaid players with guaranteed money ( zeke ) , and others already expensive players ( Cooper ; DLaw etc ) .

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Yes that sums it up well.

Let's see what transpires...

bodi said:

to much for a guy that can't beat a winning team


Prescott has played 18 career games against teams that would finish with 10-plus wins, and he is 5-13 against them

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How does this match up against other QBs? I would imagine most Qb's don't have a good record against 10 win teams.

PAPPYDOG said:

Dak had 4 no 1 picks and a # 2 pick on the off-line.
He had a top HB and WR and a top 10 defense.
End result 8-8.
Dak-crush logic is simply insane!
Dak isn't worth 40 million Jelly beans .......

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Worst coach of the decade?

basel90 said:

Very true . I think they tries this with Dak last year but he did not sign . The bottom line is I don’t see Dak as a difference maker for this team . We have seen what he is . A good bus driver when everything is great with optimal top ( OL/ RB / WR). But the results have been losses against good teams and sometimes bad teams , and the offense unable to bail a a leaky defense in so many games . Because Dak is not elite and the defense was just that bad . 40 million for the QB position will handicap this team . It will be politically correct and get the positive PR , but the team will not go anywhere near a super bowl , as that cap hit will prevent the team from acquiring many needed players . Not to mention this team already has overpaid players with guaranteed money ( zeke ) , and others already expensive players ( Cooper ; DLaw etc ) .

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I agree with you. But excluding the best of the best, most quarterbacks are like that. The GM has to do what is best for the team considering the circumstances with their particular team. The one game that bothered me with Dak was the game against Seattle. We had all 3 timeouts and around 2 minutes. He screwed the pooch and it ended in disaster. But whatever.

DFWJC said:

Most assume it's 38-40 range

Because it is a new deal (so no earlier contract to help smooth out the cap hit) I don't see how the cap hit would be much different than the 37 tag figure. In fact, because he wants a 4-year deal, the cap hit will almost surely be at least that high.

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If you sign a 5 year deal you can spread the signing bonus over 5 years and make first year or two cheap base salaries
Almost all contracts are back loaded

conner01 said:

If you sign a 5 year deal you can spread the signing bonus over 5 years and make first year or two cheap base salaries
Almost all contracts are back loaded

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exactly my point.

4-year extensions with one year remaining on the original (cheaper) deal act like 5 year deals with a lower average overall cap and have more cap flexibility than 4 year new contracts (not extensions). Dak is seeking the latter.
I assume he'll eventually get it, so I'm just pointing out the potential cap implication of extensions vs new deals from scratch.

DFWJC said:

exactly my point.

4-year extensions with one year remaining on the original (cheaper) deal act like 5 year deals with a lower average overall cap and have more cap flexibility than 4 year new contracts (not extensions). Dak is seeking the latter.
I assume he'll eventually get it, so I'm just pointing out the potential cap implication of extensions vs new deals from scratch.

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Any deal you do you can spread the money
The longer the easier
I get what you are saying about an extension vs a new deal but a new deal you can still make first year cheaper though on 4 years not as cheap as 5
I also think it gets done

Flamma said:

I agree with you. But excluding the best of the best, most quarterbacks are like that. The GM has to do what is best for the team considering the circumstances with their particular team. The one game that bothered me with Dak was the game against Seattle. We had all 3 timeouts and around 2 minutes. He screwed the pooch and it ended in disaster. But whatever.

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True , but don’t forget losses against terrible teams last year with Dak at the helm , jets , bears , the season finale at philly , etc etc . He has just not panned out LR we need a QB for a SB run .

Ummmmmm helllllllllllllllllllll no!

When it comes to Dak personally I would like to see Dallas negotiate a deal with the Colts wherein Dallas trades Dak Prescott (Indy negotiates a long-term deal with him to necessitate the trade) to the Colts and the Colts trade their 2021 1st round draft pick (#21 overall), their 2021 2nd round draft pick (#54 overall), and CB Kenny Moore II.

The Colts get a QB to replace Phillip Rivers which they dearly need and they have shown a penchant of being willing to trade a 1st round draft pick for a player (Deforest Buckner last season).

Dallas gets 2 quality draft picks to start the rebuilding process while also getting a young affordable CB to man the slot to help the secondary.

Dallas draft:

1st (#10): QB Trey Lance North Dakota State The era of a new dual threat QB begins (Dallas should re-sign Andy Dalton to a 2-year deal to allow Lance to take over as the starter later during the rookie season while keeping Dalton as an improved back-up)

1st (#16) (Dallas trades their acquired #21 and #52 from Indy to trade up): CB Jaycee Horn South Carolina Dallas trades up to grab a top CB to partner with Diggs to man the outside.

2nd (#44): FS Trevon Moehring TCU Dallas grabs arguably the best safety in the draft to partner with up and comer Donovan Wilson to improve the secondary.

3rd (#75): DT/NT Tedarrell Slaton Florida Dallas grabs a massive (6' 5" 343 pounds) DT to help clog up the middle of the defensive line

CowboysFaninHouston said:

what will Dalton Get you? he brings nothing to the table....and we just did sign 4 FA at about the price of 4-6M. the problem is that FAs that hit the market are either older, past their prime, injured or head cases, else their teams would keep them. so going FA route is not the answer. and going the draft route fishing for a QB will probably fail most often than not, based on history of draft and results.....so you are soooo suurrrreee about Zach wilson, and chances are he is not it. and there are others who swear by this guy and that guy.....and if it fails, you start over again having wasted several years and if you happen to find one, develop him and now time to give him a new contract and we will have the same debates. lets not pay and go fishing again.....

I have been on record that I don't think we should sign an defensive FAs this year, focus on draft, fix the drafting problem and give quinn one year to install his defense, assess the current and the new draftees, figure out the gaps and sign a key FA in 2022.....you can not, can not build a defense through FA. no one has succeeded....

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Well, maybe not 4 FA's as you say with the wasted $5 Million guys last year, but they could get 3 quality signings with the $25MM left over. The players are out there at certain positions the Cowboys need. They need 4 quality starters on defense and you're just not gonna get there in the draft. Not even in 2 drafts. Any draft will get you 2 good starters if you are lucky.

I don't agree with the argument that you can build a Super Bowl caliber team on the draft alone. You need to get there with both. Kansas City has several FA's, a few from Dallas. The Eagles won their Super Bowl with an absolute ton of FA's.

RichmondFan said:

Well, maybe not 4 FA's as you say with the wasted $5 Million guys last year, but they could get 3 quality signings with the $25MM left over. The players are out there at certain positions the Cowboys need. They need 4 quality starters on defense and you're just not gonna get there in the draft. Not even in 2 drafts. Any draft will get you 2 good starters if you are lucky.

I don't agree with the argument that you can build a Super Bowl caliber team on the draft alone. You need to get there with both. Kansas City has several FA's, a few from Dallas. The Eagles won their Super Bowl with an absolute ton of FA's.

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but that's the problem...you can not build through FA. there is not going to be many quality FAs....they become FAs because they are head cases, older, injured and ineffective.....we complain about FA dollars for Dak, but ignore that FA numbers across the board are ridiculous.....and further more, for the money we gave those 4 FA, we could have kept Jones, a shut down corner...yeah he doesn't get many Ints, but how much better would this team be with Jones....and do you trust this FO to be able to effectively evaluate defensive FAs...we have gone after high priced ones and failed, went middle and failed and went cheap and failed...we signed 4 players, when the same type of production or better was available in house. last summer I argued against Poe and McCoy and we saw how it turned out...two much older FAs, looking for one last pay day.


and I am on the fence about how many starters we need on defense. I have said 7, but I think its emotional reaction to how bad they were, but perhaps Nolan's scheme had a lot to do with it. I don't think they were as bad as they played this past year, so lets give Quinn one year to install his system. lets draft defense defense defense defense....and lets see where we are in 2022 before signing any FAs....

and I don't expect cowboys to build an all world defense....ala niners. we need a good reliable defense.....

CowboysFaninHouston said:

but that's the problem...you can not build through FA. there is not going to be many quality FAs....they become FAs because they are head cases, older, injured and ineffective.....we complain about FA dollars for Dak, but ignore that FA numbers across the board are ridiculous.....and further more, for the money we gave those 4 FA, we could have kept Jones, a shut down corner...yeah he doesn't get many Ints, but how much better would this team be with Jones....and do you trust this FO to be able to effectively evaluate defensive FAs...we have gone after high priced ones and failed, went middle and failed and went cheap and failed...we signed 4 players, when the same type of production or better was available in house. last summer I argued against Poe and McCoy and we saw how it turned out...two much older FAs, looking for one last pay day.


and I am on the fence about how many starters we need on defense. I have said 7, but I think its emotional reaction to how bad they were, but perhaps Nolan's scheme had a lot to do with it. I don't think they were as bad as they played this past year, so lets give Quinn one year to install his system. lets draft defense defense defense defense....and lets see where we are in 2022 before signing any FAs....

and I don't expect cowboys to build an all world defense....ala niners. we need a good reliable defense.....

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There is a difference between only being able to afford an over the hill FA like Poe than someone like Za'Darious or Preston Smith.

Surely you would ideally complement the defense with players in the draft and one or two quality free agents.