Contract Negotiations: Don’t believe just the dollar amount

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How many times has information been “leaked” from the Star that player X has been offered $___ in contract negotiations but according to the Cowboys, “turned it down”? We as fans need to stop falling for the old “We offered them $___ and they turned it down” leak that in reality is (according to Cowboys beat writers) coming from the Jones boys to sway public opinion and put pressure on the player. Most other NFL teams do this too btw.

Here’s the hidden truth about what holds up NFL contract negotiations: The “dollar amounts” are usually not the big divide. The devil is always in the details.

In fact, NFL contracts are very complex, usually broken in several chunks of payment and bonus options. To avoid making this post too long, here are some of the main elements of an NFL contract:

  • Base salary- This is the foundation of every player contract- players are paid their base salary in 17 payments (for the 16-game schedule and one bye week), one per week during the season. Base salary can be non-guaranteed or guaranteed depending on various clauses and conditions. This is the amount most often talked about- “He’s been offered $__million a year”, which usually means base salary. This does not include other payments or guarantees or bonuses. (And is often misleading)
  • Guaranteed Money- One thing that is somewhat misunderstood is that not all guaranteed money is the same. There are several types of guaranteed money that teams can use when constructing a contract. Here are the most common:
    • Injury Gurantee- This guarantee kicks in if a player is released but is unable to partake in football activities or pass a physical. If a player is released and this condition is met, the player is entitled to money that is protected against injury. If a player has guaranteed money for injury and they are healthy, then the money guaranteed for injury is lost when the player is cut.
    • Cap guarantee- this will protect a player from being released so the team can get under the cap, sign a free agent, or re-sign another player. A player with this guarantee cannot be cut as a money savings move.
    • There are other types of guarantees too complex for me to describe.
  • Length of contract- supposedly a sticking point in the 2020 Dak negotiations because allegedly the team wanted a 5 year deal and Dak wanted a 4 year deal. This is actually becoming a more common sticking point for all players, especially those under 28 (like Dak) who figure to have more than one contract in their careers.

  • Signing, roster and workout bonuses- these parts are fairly self explanatory. But they are often parts of hard negotiations by both sides, the details of which most fans never know about.
This is a very complex issue and one that is difficult to explain in a short post. But just remember the next time we as fans are told by the owner’s side of negotiations that a player has been offered $__ amount of money, that’s like offering someone dinner but not telling that what food will be served.
 

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How many times has information been “leaked” from the Star that player X has been offered $___ in contract negotiations but according to the Cowboys, “turned it down”? We as fans need to stop falling for the old “We offered them $___ and they turned it down” leak that in reality is (according to Cowboys beat writers) coming from the Jones boys to sway public opinion and put pressure on the player. Most other NFL teams do this too btw.

Here’s the hidden truth about what holds up NFL contract negotiations: The “dollar amounts” are usually not the big divide. The devil is always in the details.

In fact, NFL contracts are very complex, usually broken in several chunks of payment and bonus options. To avoid making this post too long, here are some of the main elements of an NFL contract:

  • Base salary- This is the foundation of every player contract- players are paid their base salary in 17 payments (for the 16-game schedule and one bye week), one per week during the season. Base salary can be non-guaranteed or guaranteed depending on various clauses and conditions. This is the amount most often talked about- “He’s been offered $__million a year”, which usually means base salary. This does not include other payments or guarantees or bonuses. (And is often misleading)
  • Guaranteed Money- One thing that is somewhat misunderstood is that not all guaranteed money is the same. There are several types of guaranteed money that teams can use when constructing a contract. Here are the most common:
    • Injury Gurantee- This guarantee kicks in if a player is released but is unable to partake in football activities or pass a physical. If a player is released and this condition is met, the player is entitled to money that is protected against injury. If a player has guaranteed money for injury and they are healthy, then the money guaranteed for injury is lost when the player is cut.
    • Cap guarantee- this will protect a player from being released so the team can get under the cap, sign a free agent, or re-sign another player. A player with this guarantee cannot be cut as a money savings move.
    • There are other types of guarantees too complex for me to describe.
  • Length of contract- supposedly a sticking point in the 2020 Dak negotiations because allegedly the team wanted a 5 year deal and Dak wanted a 4 year deal. This is actually becoming a more common sticking point for all players, especially those under 28 (like Dak) who figure to have more than one contract in their careers.

  • Signing, roster and workout bonuses- these parts are fairly self explanatory. But they are often parts of hard negotiations by both sides, the details of which most fans never know about.
This is a very complex issue and one that is difficult to explain in a short post. But just remember the next time we as fans are told by the owner’s side of negotiations that a player has been offered $__ amount of money, that’s like offering someone dinner but not telling that what food will be served.


Bob

we know this and it was years which also effects and change AAV and guarantees but the real ISSUE IS DAK WONT GIVE IN ON ANY OF THAT LIST..HE WANTED IT ALL WASNT FLEXIBLE AND HERE WE ARE..

EVDRY PLAYER QWHO SIGNED BIG DEALS THE ;LAST 5 YEARS ALL SIGNED A FLEXIBE TEAM FREIONDLY DEAL..EXCEPTION,

HMMM


DRUM ROLL

DAK

BUT GO AHEAD BLAE THE FO...IM REALIST I SEE THE REAL ISSUE AND ITS DAK, DAKS BROTHER, AND DAKS AGENT BEING 100% INFLEXIBLE..
 

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Crazy about the Mahomes deal. He basically was like sure take advantage of me.
Weird how that contract was structured.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
(From the link)
The guarantee structure is as follows.
Upon signing Mahomes' 2020, 2021, and 2022 salaries are all guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2021 league year Mahomes' 2023 salary and bonuses will become fully guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2022 league year all of Mahomes 2024 compensation will become fully guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2023 league year Mahomes $38.9 million 2025 roster bonus will become guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2o24 league year the rest of Mahomes' 2025 salary will become guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2025 league year Mahomes $38.9 million 2026 roster bonus will be fully guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2026 league year the rest of Mahomes 2026 salary and his $49.4 million 2027 roster bonus become guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2027 league year the rest of Mahomes' 2027 salary and his entire 2028 salary and bonuses will become fully guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2028 league year Mahomes salary and bonuses in 2029 are guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2029 league year Mahomes' 2030 salary and bonuses are guaranteed.
On the 3rd day of the 2030 league year Mahomes $13.9 million 2031 roster bonus is guaranteed.
Finally on the 3rd day of the 2031 league year the rest of his salary is guaranteed



Every year he's on the team a future years money becomes fully guaranteed. Chiefs aren't cutting the best QB in the league any time soon so he's going to be getting paid for a long time regardless.
 

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Crazy about the Mahomes deal. He basically was like sure take advantage of me.
Weird how that contract was structured.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
Chiefs got in front of it and signed him 2 years early which was huge.
His bonus structure is the same as Zeke's that basically guarantees you pay him a full year to go away.

The real relief for KC will be 5-6 years if he doesn't force them to restructure up[ward when the market place has been reset above 50M AAV for QBs.

But he's gonna hit every inecentive and be worth half a billion dollars if he rides this out to the end.

Tyler. TX kid is the best in the world.
 

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KC situation should be interesting this off season since they will be over 18 mill above the cap.
 

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Crazy about the Mahomes deal. He basically was like sure take advantage to me.
Weird how that contract was structured.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
That’s interesting. Dollar amounts are never the whole story.
Mahomes and his teammates pull off back-to-back SB titles, his off-field endorsements are going to triple. LOL at people think he's getting fleeced \ taken advantage of. And don't think if Mahomes has longevity plus help bring in a couple more NFL titles to KC ... his deal doesn't get tweaked down the road in his favor.
 

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Chiefs got in front of it and signed him 2 years early which was huge.
His bonus structure is the same as Zeke's that basically guarantees you pay him a full year to go away.

The real relief for KC will be 5-6 years if he doesn't force them to restructure up[ward when the market place has been reset above 50M AAV for QBs.

But he's gonna hit every inecentive and be worth half a billion dollars if he rides this out to the end.

Tyler. TX kid is the best in the world.
Plus Mahomes' Q Rating will increase if he helps keep the Chiefs as championship contenders.
Keeps his personal life clean and stable--endorsements keep rolling in.
 

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Crazy about the Mahomes deal. He basically was like sure take advantage of me.
Weird how that contract was structured.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
Lol he's not getting taken advantage of, that roster bonus all converts to guarantees two years before.

For instance, if he's on the team on March 20, 2023, his 2025 bonus guarantees - he'll make over $40m in cash.
 

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Chiefs got in front of it and signed him 2 years early which was huge.
His bonus structure is the same as Zeke's that basically guarantees you pay him a full year to go away.

The real relief for KC will be 5-6 years if he doesn't force them to restructure up[ward when the market place has been reset above 50M AAV for QBs.

But he's gonna hit every inecentive and be worth half a billion dollars if he rides this out to the end.

Tyler. TX kid is the best in the world.
I'm a TTU alum. I've been watching him for years. Really happy for him. I remember many on this board and throughout the sports world said he wouldn't make it in the NFL and that he was nothing more than a college QB.
 

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Bob

we know this and it was years which also effects and change AAV and guarantees but the real ISSUE IS DAK WONT GIVE IN ON ANY OF THAT LIST..HE WANTED IT ALL WASNT FLEXIBLE AND HERE WE ARE..

EVDRY PLAYER QWHO SIGNED BIG DEALS THE ;LAST 5 YEARS ALL SIGNED A FLEXIBE TEAM FREIONDLY DEAL..EXCEPTION,

HMMM


DRUM ROLL

DAK

BUT GO AHEAD BLAE THE FO...IM REALIST I SEE THE REAL ISSUE AND ITS DAK, DAKS BROTHER, AND DAKS AGENT BEING 100% INFLEXIBLE..
Did I miss out on something or is this speculation? Is there any evidence that Dak was inflexible with every aspect of the contract. I know he turned down the 35 million APY with 100 million guaranteed due to wanting a 4 year deal and not a 5 year deal. Was there any reports or evidence that he was inflexible with everything else?
 

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How many times has information been “leaked” from the Star that player X has been offered $___ in contract negotiations but according to the Cowboys, “turned it down”? We as fans need to stop falling for the old “We offered them $___ and they turned it down” leak that in reality is (according to Cowboys beat writers) coming from the Jones boys to sway public opinion and put pressure on the player. Most other NFL teams do this too btw.

Here’s the hidden truth about what holds up NFL contract negotiations: The “dollar amounts” are usually not the big divide. The devil is always in the details.

In fact, NFL contracts are very complex, usually broken in several chunks of payment and bonus options. To avoid making this post too long, here are some of the main elements of an NFL contract:

  • Base salary- This is the foundation of every player contract- players are paid their base salary in 17 payments (for the 16-game schedule and one bye week), one per week during the season. Base salary can be non-guaranteed or guaranteed depending on various clauses and conditions. This is the amount most often talked about- “He’s been offered $__million a year”, which usually means base salary. This does not include other payments or guarantees or bonuses. (And is often misleading)
  • Guaranteed Money- One thing that is somewhat misunderstood is that not all guaranteed money is the same. There are several types of guaranteed money that teams can use when constructing a contract. Here are the most common:
    • Injury Gurantee- This guarantee kicks in if a player is released but is unable to partake in football activities or pass a physical. If a player is released and this condition is met, the player is entitled to money that is protected against injury. If a player has guaranteed money for injury and they are healthy, then the money guaranteed for injury is lost when the player is cut.
    • Cap guarantee- this will protect a player from being released so the team can get under the cap, sign a free agent, or re-sign another player. A player with this guarantee cannot be cut as a money savings move.
    • There are other types of guarantees too complex for me to describe.
  • Length of contract- supposedly a sticking point in the 2020 Dak negotiations because allegedly the team wanted a 5 year deal and Dak wanted a 4 year deal. This is actually becoming a more common sticking point for all players, especially those under 28 (like Dak) who figure to have more than one contract in their careers.

  • Signing, roster and workout bonuses- these parts are fairly self explanatory. But they are often parts of hard negotiations by both sides, the details of which most fans never know about.
This is a very complex issue and one that is difficult to explain in a short post. But just remember the next time we as fans are told by the owner’s side of negotiations that a player has been offered $__ amount of money, that’s like offering someone dinner but not telling that what food will be served.
So are you suggesting Dak was/is not sure of the Cowboys long term. According to this it sounds like the Cowboys wanted to roll with him but he was not committed long term.
 

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So are you suggesting Dak was/is not sure of the Cowboys long term. According to this it sounds like the Cowboys wanted to roll with him but he was not committed long term.
All I’m saying is when the Cowboys FO says they offered any player “$___ a year” in salary, that is usually not the whole story.
 

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So are you suggesting Dak was/is not sure of the Cowboys long term. According to this it sounds like the Cowboys wanted to roll with him but he was not committed long term.
All I’m saying is when the Cowboys FO says they offered any player “$___ a year” in salary, that is usually not the whole story.
CZ members here and Cowboys fans elsewhere have seen and heard the various reasons for the stalemate, but despite the "sources" and rumors, we on the outside really don't know. Longtime reporters like Ed Werder, Adam Schefter, and Jay Glazer do have the experience and knowhow to get information, however.
 

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CZ members here and Cowboys fans elsewhere have seen and heard the various reasons for the stalemate, but despite the "sources" and rumors, we on the outside really don't know. Longtime reporters like Ed Werder, Adam Schefter, and Jay Glazer do have the experience and knowhow to get information, however.
The beat reporters that cover the Cowboys or have covered them the past decade or more- like David Moore, Todd Archer and Jean Jacques Taylor- have all said the leaks that come from the Cowboys front office about contract negotiations are always Jerry and Stephen simply trying to influence public perception. Point being whatever info we are getting about any player’s contract negotiations from the Star is always slanted in their favor.
 
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