Contract Negotiations: Don’t believe just the dollar amount

[conner01]

Bob

we know this and it was years which also effects and change AAV and guarantees but the real ISSUE IS DAK WONT GIVE IN ON ANY OF THAT LIST..HE WANTED IT ALL WASNT FLEXIBLE AND HERE WE ARE..

EVDRY PLAYER QWHO SIGNED BIG DEALS THE ;LAST 5 YEARS ALL SIGNED A FLEXIBE TEAM FREIONDLY DEAL..EXCEPTION,

HMMM


DRUM ROLL

DAK

BUT GO AHEAD BLAE THE FO...IM REALIST I SEE THE REAL ISSUE AND ITS DAK, DAKS BROTHER, AND DAKS AGENT BEING 100% INFLEXIBLE..

Opinion

 

[conner01]

That’s interesting. Dollar amounts are never the whole story.

Structure is key to a contract
A guy can sign a 200 mil deal and end up making a quarter of that

 

[baltcowboy]

Listened to Broaddus last night and said the Cowboys would not be afraid to give Dak the 54 million tag number in 2022. The team expects there will be a huge jump in the Cap that season so paying him 54 million would not be a big deal. If you put the 3 cap contracts together that is a guaranteed 123 million. If you think about it is that really that much money for a franchise quarterback? Not really. If Dak does not get the team to Super Bowl, you can move on without any ramifications. I actually like that idea.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Crazy about the Mahomes deal. He basically was like sure take advantage of me.
Weird how that contract was structured.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Seriously? Or maybe Mahomes realized that if he insisted upon his full market value and breaking every contract record, the Chiefs would struggle to surround him with enough talent. Mahomes basically made the Brady decision and saw the value of being a winner. Mahomes has an opportunity to make more money off the field than he ever will in the NFL. .....that comes with being a winner.

 

[USArmyVet]

Here is the thing with the whole Dak contract negotiations: look what is happening around the league regarding QB's. Here is a list of QB's currently or rumored to be be seeking a trade or possibly released:

Houston Desean Watson
Detroit Matthew Stafford
Rams Jared Goff
Packers Aaron Rodgers
Philly Carson Wentz
Jets Sam Darnold
SF Jimmy G.
Miami Tua
Chicago Trubiskey


The point???? Many of these teams will be in cap hell by moving on from their QB but recognize that their QB is not cutting the mustard so do you really want to see Dallas join this list after committing big money to Dak????

 

[atlantacowboy]

How many times has information been “leaked” from the Star that player X has been offered $___ in contract negotiations but according to the Cowboys, “turned it down”? We as fans need to stop falling for the old “We offered them $___ and they turned it down” leak that in reality is (according to Cowboys beat writers) coming from the Jones boys to sway public opinion and put pressure on the player. Most other NFL teams do this too btw.

Here’s the hidden truth about what holds up NFL contract negotiations: The “dollar amounts” are usually not the big divide. The devil is always in the details.

In fact, NFL contracts are very complex, usually broken in several chunks of payment and bonus options. To avoid making this post too long, here are some of the main elements of an NFL contract:

• Base salary- This is the foundation of every player contract- players are paid their base salary in 17 payments (for the 16-game schedule and one bye week), one per week during the season. Base salary can be non-guaranteed or guaranteed depending on various clauses and conditions. This is the amount most often talked about- “He’s been offered $__million a year”, which usually means base salary. This does not include other payments or guarantees or bonuses. (And is often misleading)

• Guaranteed Money- One thing that is somewhat misunderstood is that not all guaranteed money is the same. There are several types of guaranteed money that teams can use when constructing a contract. Here are the most common:
  • Injury Gurantee- This guarantee kicks in if a player is released but is unable to partake in football activities or pass a physical. If a player is released and this condition is met, the player is entitled to money that is protected against injury. If a player has guaranteed money for injury and they are healthy, then the money guaranteed for injury is lost when the player is cut.
  • Cap guarantee- this will protect a player from being released so the team can get under the cap, sign a free agent, or re-sign another player. A player with this guarantee cannot be cut as a money savings move.
  • There are other types of guarantees too complex for me to describe.

• Length of contract- supposedly a sticking point in the 2020 Dak negotiations because allegedly the team wanted a 5 year deal and Dak wanted a 4 year deal. This is actually becoming a more common sticking point for all players, especially those under 28 (like Dak) who figure to have more than one contract in their careers.
  
  
• Signing, roster and workout bonuses- these parts are fairly self explanatory. But they are often parts of hard negotiations by both sides, the details of which most fans never know about.

This is a very complex issue and one that is difficult to explain in a short post. But just remember the next time we as fans are told by the owner’s side of negotiations that a player has been offered $__ amount of money, that’s like offering someone dinner but not telling that what food will be served.

These are also numbers so ridiculous and beyond the reality of the average working person that nobody involved should be looked upon with sympathy. There are no victims here.

 

[blueblood70]

Did I miss out on something or is this speculation? Is there any evidence that Dak was inflexible with every aspect of the contract. I know he turned down the 35 million APY with 100 million guaranteed due to wanting a 4 year deal and not a 5 year deal. Was there any reports or evidence that he was inflexible with everything else?

Very inflexible that is all..

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[jterrell]

I'm a TTU alum. I've been watching him for years. Really happy for him. I remember many on this board and throughout the sports world said he wouldn't make it in the NFL and that he was nothing more than a college QB.

Same man same.
He had a 30-20 game in HS in basketball, and was considered an R1 prospect in baseball.
NCAA teams slept on him because he never played football til 10th grade and they thought he'd go pro in baseball like his Dad the former Texas Ranger.
He didn't run any Elite 11 type stuff because he was playing other sports.
But he led Whitehouse to like the State Quarterfinals as a team that had never own anything til he started at QB.

Once KK convinced him to give up baseball I knew it was over.

As a Tech alum the thought Baker Mayfield went 1st and Pat went 10th is the best possible case for why scouts are stupid stupid people sometimes.

 

[jterrell]

Plus Mahomes' Q Rating will increase if he helps keep the Chiefs as championship contenders.
Keeps his personal life clean and stable--endorsements keep rolling in.

His personal life was always going to stable because that's who he is.
His circle is literally 3 people.
His brother and his High School gf turned fiancee.

He's not a partier, not a big man on campus type.

He's extremely loyal and he makes those around him better.

He is gonna put a lot of guys int he Hall of Fame.

 

[USArmyVet]

His personal life was always going to stable because that's who he is.
His circle is literally 3 people.
His brother and his High School gf turned fiancee.

He's not a partier, not a big man on campus type.

He's extremely loyal and he makes those around him better.

He is gonna put a lot of guys int he Hall of Fame.

Nice to see a QB like that who doesn;t flaunt Covid rules and have a party with numerous people.....if only Dallas had a QB like that.

 

[blueblood70]

Opinion

not really ive heard rumors name many posts on here that arent rumor based opinion, id say 95% ie any that do not include link to n actual team press release..

the player named Dak with his brother tad and his agent ill name DB wanted short deal at max aav max guarantees ,. whats left did i leave out any flexible language? easy to conclude dak the hard head that has held the deal up , his homies have steered him into a corner..sure he has options, has right to demand whatever, but that doesnt change the facts..this contract negotiations has been held up by Dak not the Jonses..we can debate all day long on whats daks actual worth in todays market but IMHO the Jones's already offered above that line..

the claim sj and jerry are cheap and that what holding this up is insane, the one thing they are not is cheap...all other deals closed fast and were on the high said eof market, odd this one has not got done..speculation is easy to conclude its Dak..

think about the last 10years all the big deals the jones boys paid out and contracts all signed were team friendly flexible deals..yet this one is going into season 3 , id say it 99% dak and 1% the jones and this is unusual for the Jonses to be weary of overpaying , they are correct..i no hard to admit but i say being cautious with dak with the correct move..

I hope the deal gets done but not for one that leaves us vulnerable with the cap..

BTW saw a crazy mock this morning had fields going like 14th , what would happen if fields is sitting their at 10 and daks still not signed or even signed his tag? i sure hope its the NEFT and if that happens take fields trade dak go get some blue chip Defenders..

just spitballng.

 

[Swagger]

Seriously? Or maybe Mahomes realized that if he insisted upon his full market value and breaking every contract record, the Chiefs would struggle to surround him with enough talent. Mahomes basically made the Brady decision and saw the value of being a winner. Mahomes has an opportunity to make more money off the field than he ever will in the NFL. .....that comes with being a winner.

True story. Shame that not all quarterbacks have the same winning and selfless mentality.

 

[jterrell]

Nice to see a QB like that who doesn;t flaunt Covid rules and have a party with numerous people.....if only Dallas had a QB like that.

I'm trying not to put you on ignore but you are making it very hard.
Dak had a dinner party with a couple teammates and his brother and their significant others where he ordered Nick and Sams (and tipped them insanely well) at his 10,000 square foot home.
Exactly zero people challenge Dak's maturity and team leadership.

This is nothing like Tony Romo taking off on a boys trip before a playoff game and even that complaint was stupid.

 

[Section446]

Crazy about the Mahomes deal. He basically was like sure take advantage of me.
Weird how that contract was structured.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

That's a QB that recognizes that if he takes up a big portion of the cap space, they won't be nearly as competitive. I remember reading an article when he and the Chiefs were negotiating that said he left money on the table so they could re-sign Chris Jones; that's a franchise QB, that's a guy who is serious about winning first. Tom Brady is another one, he's left money on the table every single year for the betterment of the team, Dak isn't that type of guy.

 

[jterrell]

True story. Shame that not all quarterbacks have the same winning and selfless mentality.

Chiefs had good sense ot pay him 2 years early like every other org does their young franchise guy.

Can't get married if no one proposes.

 

[OmerV]

How many times has information been “leaked” from the Star that player X has been offered $___ in contract negotiations but according to the Cowboys, “turned it down”? We as fans need to stop falling for the old “We offered them $___ and they turned it down” leak that in reality is (according to Cowboys beat writers) coming from the Jones boys to sway public opinion and put pressure on the player. Most other NFL teams do this too btw.

Here’s the hidden truth about what holds up NFL contract negotiations: The “dollar amounts” are usually not the big divide. The devil is always in the details.

In fact, NFL contracts are very complex, usually broken in several chunks of payment and bonus options. To avoid making this post too long, here are some of the main elements of an NFL contract:

• Base salary- This is the foundation of every player contract- players are paid their base salary in 17 payments (for the 16-game schedule and one bye week), one per week during the season. Base salary can be non-guaranteed or guaranteed depending on various clauses and conditions. This is the amount most often talked about- “He’s been offered $__million a year”, which usually means base salary. This does not include other payments or guarantees or bonuses. (And is often misleading)

• Guaranteed Money- One thing that is somewhat misunderstood is that not all guaranteed money is the same. There are several types of guaranteed money that teams can use when constructing a contract. Here are the most common:
  • Injury Gurantee- This guarantee kicks in if a player is released but is unable to partake in football activities or pass a physical. If a player is released and this condition is met, the player is entitled to money that is protected against injury. If a player has guaranteed money for injury and they are healthy, then the money guaranteed for injury is lost when the player is cut.
  • Cap guarantee- this will protect a player from being released so the team can get under the cap, sign a free agent, or re-sign another player. A player with this guarantee cannot be cut as a money savings move.
  • There are other types of guarantees too complex for me to describe.

• Length of contract- supposedly a sticking point in the 2020 Dak negotiations because allegedly the team wanted a 5 year deal and Dak wanted a 4 year deal. This is actually becoming a more common sticking point for all players, especially those under 28 (like Dak) who figure to have more than one contract in their careers.
  
  
• Signing, roster and workout bonuses- these parts are fairly self explanatory. But they are often parts of hard negotiations by both sides, the details of which most fans never know about.

This is a very complex issue and one that is difficult to explain in a short post. But just remember the next time we as fans are told by the owner’s side of negotiations that a player has been offered $__ amount of money, that’s like offering someone dinner but not telling that what food will be served.

Very good and informative, thanks for this.

The one thing I would add is that even when hearing/reading a dollar amount, even that limited piece of information isn't certain to be accurate. The media has proven time and again to have things wrong. In the end, the media doesn't have accountability, and it can suggest almost anything to lure readers/listeners/viewers.

 

[USArmyVet]

I'm trying not to put you on ignore but you are making it very hard.
Dak had a dinner party with a couple teammates and his brother and their significant others where he ordered Nick and Sams (and tipped them insanely well) at his 10,000 square foot home.
Exactly zero people challenge Dak's maturity and team leadership.

This is nothing like Tony Romo taking off on a boys trip before a playoff game and even that complaint was stupid.

So you want to compare going on a 'boys trip' with hosting a party during a pandemic? Okay.

If it wasn;t such a big deal then why did police investigate the party? Why did the Governor speak out against it? Why did Jerry and Stephen Jones have to talk to Dak and Zeke about hosting the party?

The point is his actions were selfish and irresponsible during a time when he wants to be seen as a leader and get a new contract. Sorry but that showed Dak for who he is both personally and professionally (oh, and let us not forget that Dak was arrested for DUI in March of 2016....right before the NFL draft....talk about bonehead moves)

 

[Swagger]

Chiefs had good sense ot pay him 2 years early like every other org does their young franchise guy.

Can't get married if no one proposes.

But there was a proposal...Dak didn't want to get married

 

[Qcard]

How many times has information been “leaked” from the Star that player X has been offered $___ in contract negotiations but according to the Cowboys, “turned it down”? We as fans need to stop falling for the old “We offered them $___ and they turned it down” leak that in reality is (according to Cowboys beat writers) coming from the Jones boys to sway public opinion and put pressure on the player. Most other NFL teams do this too btw.

Here’s the hidden truth about what holds up NFL contract negotiations: The “dollar amounts” are usually not the big divide. The devil is always in the details.

In fact, NFL contracts are very complex, usually broken in several chunks of payment and bonus options. To avoid making this post too long, here are some of the main elements of an NFL contract:

• Base salary- This is the foundation of every player contract- players are paid their base salary in 17 payments (for the 16-game schedule and one bye week), one per week during the season. Base salary can be non-guaranteed or guaranteed depending on various clauses and conditions. This is the amount most often talked about- “He’s been offered $__million a year”, which usually means base salary. This does not include other payments or guarantees or bonuses. (And is often misleading)

• Guaranteed Money- One thing that is somewhat misunderstood is that not all guaranteed money is the same. There are several types of guaranteed money that teams can use when constructing a contract. Here are the most common:
  • Injury Gurantee- This guarantee kicks in if a player is released but is unable to partake in football activities or pass a physical. If a player is released and this condition is met, the player is entitled to money that is protected against injury. If a player has guaranteed money for injury and they are healthy, then the money guaranteed for injury is lost when the player is cut.
  • Cap guarantee- this will protect a player from being released so the team can get under the cap, sign a free agent, or re-sign another player. A player with this guarantee cannot be cut as a money savings move.
  • There are other types of guarantees too complex for me to describe.

• Length of contract- supposedly a sticking point in the 2020 Dak negotiations because allegedly the team wanted a 5 year deal and Dak wanted a 4 year deal. This is actually becoming a more common sticking point for all players, especially those under 28 (like Dak) who figure to have more than one contract in their careers.
  
  
• Signing, roster and workout bonuses- these parts are fairly self explanatory. But they are often parts of hard negotiations by both sides, the details of which most fans never know about.

This is a very complex issue and one that is difficult to explain in a short post. But just remember the next time we as fans are told by the owner’s side of negotiations that a player has been offered $__ amount of money, that’s like offering someone dinner but not telling that what food will be served.

Young aspiring Moderators........watch and learn!

Great Post @Bobhaze !

 

[Swagger]

Further, Dak can't complain about being underpaid during his first four years. It was not our fault he dropped to the 4th round in the first instance any way and he just got paid over $31 million for playing 3 games. So time to play hardball and if he doesn't like it then maybe the Lions will come calling