Twitter: Mike Tannenbaum nails Daks tag issues for this year in a nut-shell

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Lol it was so obvious last year the Jones’s needed to use leverage in this situation but of course they were gentlemen in the negotiations and Dak’s agent took them for fools.

The Jones’s have gotten played if they do a deal at this point and we are a worse team for it.

Sign and trade is our only hope.

Doing the deal at this point just makes us a non Super Bowl contender for even longer.
What other team management rolls over for the stars like the Cowboys? France has their biggest star, the center ring act, why would he not play hardball?

The thing that is wrong about this to me is some will use this deal as the one keeping them from the Big Dance when in reality it is the DE, RB, WR and MLB deals that creating this. The QB is just the last one to get done.

Who in the hell pays a RB 15M in a pass happy league? I can see the DE and WR a lot better than the RB.

After 25 years of FA, the Cowboys are not one bit better at a plan for cap distribution and every agent of a star knows it.
 

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Been saying this for months.......Jerry and Stephen are facing TWO deadlines to the long-term deal completed before ALL their leverage disappears, March 9 and draft day. After the draft, they'll have zero leverage, none.


Good post/thread...just buyer beware consider the source..ie ESPN.
 

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Dak isn’t being traded.

The team is the only party with any leverage right now. If need be, they will restructure a couple contracts to fit Dak in at 38 million. That’s probably what will happen because they don’t seem close on a long term deal.

The end game here is Dak playing out 2021 on the tag and signing with the highest bidder in March 2022.
 

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@Hawkeye0202 I have been saying for months Dak faces the two deadlines also when it comes to leverage.

Dak will not be able to pass a physical by the beginning of FA. No team is offering jack squat for Dak in his present condition. So, Dak has no leverage because Jerry can let him go as a UFA and no one will sign.

Dak will not be able to pass a physical by the draft. Teams will solidify their QB situation through FA and the draft.

Once FA and the draft are over, how many teams will be looking for a QB wanting $110M guaranteed, $40M/year on a 5-year contract with a cap reduced to $180M and said QB just had a horrific injury and a second hidden surgery on the deltoid ligament in Dec? And said QB is just of average to above average talent and hasn’t succeeded without loaded offensive talent.

Dak has no leverage until he can pass a physical? Any idea when that will be? Any evidence Dak will not open the season on PUP?

Dak has no leverage if the Cowboys draft a QB at 10.

Jerry and the FO have plenty of leverage if they do choose to use it. More of a public relations problem for Jerry right now. The ‘church of Dak’ will be upset if Jerry calls Dak’s bluff and lets him explore the market. The ‘church of Dak’ worshippers will be upset because Jerry was not ‘loyal’ to Dak while injured. If Jerry pays Dak $37M on the tag and Dak can’t play until game 8 then Jerry screwed the team’s chance of success this year. The players want Dak signed and don’t care if Dak can’t play the first 8 games. All about money and loyalty for Dak and the players. Not about winning championships. Same with many fans.
 

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No, there is not. But they can trade him.
You sound like a damn idiot with that statement. Understand, Dak is a free agent and thus the Cowboys do not own the rights to trade Dak until he signs either a tag or a new contract. As soon as the legal tampering period begins(March 15), he is free to negotiate with any team in the league. If the FO does not take advantage of this time right now as the only team able to negotiate with him, they will most likely lose him. The F.O. currently has no leverage and they know it, so because they are negotiating with Dak from a position of weakness, they have only two options...either cave to his demands or likely let him walk. The only reason the F.O. will likely get a signed tag deal with Dak is that he wants to be a Cowboy.
 

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They could've used other QB's as leverage.. They could've had serious negotiations with Brady.

They also could've used the tag that allowed other teams to negotiate with him.

Instead they just franchised him.
Brady's no fool. He's not going to participate in negotiations if the Joneses aren't seriously going to sign him.
 

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Lol it was so obvious last year the Jones’s needed to use leverage in this situation but of course they were gentlemen in the negotiations and Dak’s agent took them for fools.

The Jones’s have gotten played if they do a deal at this point and we are a worse team for it.

Sign and trade is our only hope.

Doing the deal at this point just makes us a non Super Bowl contender for even longer.
Troll
 

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Been saying this for months.......Jerry and Stephen are facing TWO deadlines to the long-term deal completed before ALL their leverage disappears, March 9 and draft day. After the draft, they'll have zero leverage, none.


:espn: Thanks for posting and no offense but I don't listen to BSPN talking heads. However I did want to point out that if Dak is tagged on Mar. 9th the 37.1 immediately hits the cap. That means the Cowboys wouldn't be able to anything in FA unless the did massive cuts. So IMHO, a deal is coming very, very soon.
 

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Sign and trade is sounding more and more appealing, to be honest. Nothing to do with Dak, I'm a big supporter. Everything to do with this front office. If we can't get a long team deal, we need to get something for Dak and start looking to the future immediately.

This will be a disaster if we lose a franchise QB and only get a 3rd Rd for it
 

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ANYONE who listens to a thing that Mike Tannenbaum says should be ignored immediately. The guy is on TV for a reason.He kinda sucks at evaluations.


I was going to say the guy wasn't a good evaluator of giving out contracts.
 

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Free PSA.
If you are disagreeing with Mike T here you are just likely wrong and should probably post less and listen more.
He is a former GM that understands how all of this works and especially the timing aspect which few fans seem to understand.

Dallas must tag Dak before he becomes an URFA. March 9th.

The day they do tag him he counts 37.7M on their cap.
They can not trade him until he signs that tag.
The paperwork will sit in Dak's agent's office and can be executed at anytime.
Dallas can rescind the tag provided it is not signed.

Dallas can trade Dak once he signs but he is going to be GTD a 1 year 37.7M deal at that point and it can not be rescinded.
To make the trade for any substantial return a team will want to negotiate with Dak on a long term deal.
During that negotiation Dallas will eat the full cost of the tag on their cap.

Dak is not required to sign the tag until after the draft and post negotiation period. OR he can sign day 1. Totally up to him and his agent.
If healthy he likely does NOT sign and waits out the Cowboys best offer.

Non-exclusive... See this one a lot. It does ZERO.
It opens up Dak's agent to talk to other teams but changes zero as he can talk to those teams quietly anyway. --See Matt Stafford and Rams.
The compensation would max out at two R1s but is all open to negotiation same as if he is tagged exclusive.
All it really does to tag exclusive is prevent a team making an offer with a structure you hate for a player you'd prefer to keep.
Example: WFT offers Dak a 3 year deal with a no trade clause and 120M fully GTD. 60M in cash year 1.
WFT and Dak would control timing here which likely means they made Dallas eat the cap charge for a while post draft and well into FA.
WFT meanwhile can make any moves they want knowing this is coming.
And then WFT expects to easily with the NFCE and offer up only two late R1 picks the next two seasons.
So Dallas gets a reward of two late firsts in 2022 and 2023 for essentially a lost season of free agency(your 37.7M doesn't free up for as much 100 days post free agency start) and Dak Prescott.
WFT becomes a top 5 team in all the power rankings with a great trenches situation, defense and a proven QB plus all their draft picks in 2021.
 

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Free PSA.
If you are disagreeing with Mike T here you are just likely wrong and should probably post less and listen more.
He is a former GM that understands how all of this works and especially the timing aspect which few fans seem to understand.

Dallas must tag Dak before he becomes an URFA. March 9th.

The day they do tag him he counts 37.7M on their cap.
They can not trade him until he signs that tag.
The paperwork will sit in Dak's agent's office and can be executed at anytime.
Dallas can rescind the tag provided it is not signed.

Dallas can trade Dak once he signs but he is going to be GTD a 1 year 37.7M deal at that point and it can not be rescinded.
To make the trade for any substantial return a team will want to negotiate with Dak on a long term deal.
During that negotiation Dallas will eat the full cost of the tag on their cap.

Dak is not required to sign the tag until after the draft and post negotiation period. OR he can sign day 1. Totally up to him and his agent.
If healthy he likely does NOT sign and waits out the Cowboys best offer.

Non-exclusive... See this one a lot. It does ZERO.
It opens up Dak's agent to talk to other teams but changes zero as he can talk to those teams quietly anyway. --See Matt Stafford and Rams.
The compensation would max out at two R1s but is all open to negotiation same as if he is tagged exclusive.
All it really does to tag exclusive is prevent a team making an offer with a structure you hate for a player you'd prefer to keep.
Example: WFT offers Dak a 3 year deal with a no trade clause and 120M fully GTD. 60M in cash year 1.
WFT and Dak would control timing here which likely means they made Dallas eat the cap charge for a while post draft and well into FA.
WFT meanwhile can make any moves they want knowing this is coming.
And then WFT expects to easily with the NFCE and offer up only two late R1 picks the next two seasons.
So Dallas gets a reward of two late firsts in 2022 and 2023 for essentially a lost season of free agency(your 37.7M doesn't free up for as much 100 days post free agency start) and Dak Prescott.
WFT becomes a top 5 team in all the power rankings with a great trenches situation, defense and a proven QB plus all their draft picks in 2021.
its not that we are disagreeing with him,its THE MESSENGER sending the message. Mike T isn't the best messenger to be handing out advice. Now Bill Polian, I will listen to.
 

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You sound like a damn idiot with that statement. Understand, Dak is a free agent and thus the Cowboys do not own the rights to trade Dak until he signs either a tag or a new contract. As soon as the legal tampering period begins(March 15), he is free to negotiate with any team in the league. If the FO does not take advantage of this time right now as the only team able to negotiate with him, they will most likely lose him. The F.O. currently has no leverage and they know it, so because they are negotiating with Dak from a position of weakness, they have only two options...either cave to his demands or likely let him walk. The only reason the F.O. will likely get a signed tag deal with Dak is that he wants to be a Cowboy.

Hahahah you are the absolute idiot..you ever heard of the franchise tag, you clown?
 

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Hahahah you are the absolute idiot..you ever heard of the franchise tag, you clown?
Yup, Dak doesn't have to sign it. He will because he wants to be a Cowboy.

Also, on a side note. You just broke the rules on attacking other members. Learn the difference between outright calling a member here a clown and characterizing someone's comments as foolish. It's a world of difference and it matters. You should be hearing from the mods.
 

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its not that we are disagreeing with him,its THE MESSENGER sending the message. Mike T isn't the best messenger to be handing out advice. Now Bill Polian, I will listen to.
ROFL, no offense but if you refuse to listen to Mike T about this you simply refuse to learn.
That's not a compliment.
No one is asking anyone to hire him as a GM but you sound a lot like the kid clowning Cam Newton for being an unattached free agent.

The meat here is not in his evaluation of the player but the way the process works and especially the timing scenarios.

BTW, this is nothing different than Troy, Tony, Roger, even former agent Joel Corry and basically anyone else with a brain has stated on the subject.
Dak's evaluation be it as a top 7 guy, a top 10 guy, a top 15 guy really doesn't matter much.
He is easily a legit starting QB and that is enough.
The Cowboys have run out of leverage and room to negotiate.
They only weapon they have is to franchise tag a recovering Dak at 37.7M.
They gambled and lost.
Now they should stop digging holes and make the best deal they can get quickly.
If they value dollars more than control offer up the no trade clause. If the reverse offer the money.
Want to protect cap space? Offer guaranteed money plus no trade and minimize early cap hits with signing then roster bonuses.
OR tell Dak to go find the best deal possible on the open market that you plan on tagging then trading him.
Anything other than slowly walking the plank.
 

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Yup, Dak doesn't have to sign it. He will because he wants to be a Cowboy.

Also, on a side note. You just broke the rules on attacking other members. Learn the difference between outright calling a member here a clown and characterizing someone's comments as foolish. It's a world of difference and it matters. You should be hearing from the mods.

Lololol..don't send any personal attacks if you don't want any in return..
 

JoeKing

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Lololol..don't send any personal attacks if you don't want any in return..
I didn't attack you, I critiqued your comments. Totally above board in the world of debate. Stop embarrassing yourself, you sound like an amateur. :muttley:
 
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