What would you give up for Wilson?

blueblood70 said:

one play away from a second SB that coaching mistake and consistently in the playoffs..RW with bad defense and OL started last season what 6-0..right hes better then dak , Period...Wilson elite daks in the next tier..sorry wake up

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Disagree. Period.

PJTHEDOORS said:

Disagree. Period.

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i disagree and most non dak koolaid drinkers around the nfl like say 95% would say RW is elite daks not therefore RW is better in every way..add in injurys now RW no games missed dak well 2019 philly shoulder loss and all of 2020 welp i matters..

take the DC star Dak goggles off and wake up..not sayig there huge gap but theres gap..

blueblood70 said:

i disagree and most non dak koolaid drinkers around the nfl like say 95% would say RW is elite daks not therefore RW is better in every way..add in injurys now RW no games missed dak well 2019 philly shoulder loss and all of 2020 welp i matters..

take the DC star Dak goggles off and wake up..not sayig there huge gap but theres gap..

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lol. People ALSO once thought disco was better in every way. Who cares what people prefer. Take the DC star Dak hate goggles off and wake up.

PJTHEDOORS said:

lol. People ALSO once thought disco was better in every way. Who cares what people prefer. Take the DC star Dak hate goggles off and wake up.

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Statistically, it's hard to argue otherwise. HIs ratings the last three seasons? 105, 106, 111. Dak's were 100, 100 and 96.

As for the Dak hate goggles off and wake up comment, the same could be said for the Dak is Awesome crowd who consistently downplay just how good Wilson is.

Sydla said:

Statistically, it's hard to argue otherwise. HIs ratings the last three seasons? 105, 106, 111. Dak's were 100, 100 and 96.

As for the Dak hate goggles off and wake up comment, the same could be said for the Dak is Awesome crowd who consistently downplay just how good Wilson is.

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How'd those stats work for Russell vs the Rams? Wilson 11/27, 174 yards, 1 td, 2 ints.
The same could be said for the Wilson is Awesome crowd who consistently overplay just how good Wilson supposedly is.

PJTHEDOORS said:

How'd those stats work for Russell vs the Rams? Wilson 11/27, 174 yards, 1 td, 2 ints.
The same could be said for the Wilson is Awesome crowd who consistently overplay just how good Wilson supposedly is.

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So now we are going to cherry pick games? How'd that work out for Dak in a do or die game in Philly for the playoffs in 2019, for example? Or some of the other big games he came up small?

This isn't meant to be a rip on Dak, who is a very good QB IMO.

Sydla said:

So now we are going to cherry pick games? How'd that work out for Dak in a do or die game in Philly for the playoffs in 2019, for example? Or some of the other big games he came up small?

This isn't meant to be a rip on Dak, who is a very good QB IMO.

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“Oh, that was someone else’s fault....not Dak.”

Our fanbase is just so collectively dumb. I’m convinced most of them don’t even like football in general. They just like cheering for our uniform.

I rate Wilson higher than Dak.
Last year Russ struggled but Dak was injured so it kinda wiped.
I however suspect the next 4-5 years Dak will be better.
And if Dallas doesn't want a short term deal why would they want a 3 year deal with Russ??
That deal would come in at very good prices(70m over 3 years is sweet) as SEA eats the SB and roster bonus money already paid but you'd eat 90-100M to get years 4 and 5 added to the deal now and more if you wait.

I don't realistically see a move there.

If I am SEA I am not trading for an unsigned Dak AND paying crazy dead money to Russ. No way my cap can handle that.

Russ could and should win in Dallas. So why would SEA want back very low R1s?
Want them enough to eat crazy dead cap money?

DAL has a young QB they can structure as they like.
It will be very costly but they don;t have to eat those cap costs now.
In fact they can stretch them as long as Dak plays by using voidable years, roster bonuses and fresh extensions every 2-3 seasons.
OR they can simply suck it up and pay the costs and realize QB prices only go one direction: Up.
Dallas has to understand the market here and if they see a QB "correction" coming then stop being scared of a 4 year deal.

But they can't be as stupid as they were last august and offer 30M AAV which was less than both Goff and Wentz. And spread over 5 years which was longer than either deal.
That was an insult and they deserved to be laughed at for it.
Dak's high water ask was 4 years at 40M AAV in response to that insult.
That would be my opening offer if I were Dallas just to say hey we messed up and let's get this done.
You get your 5 years but at 191.4M.

CalPolyTechnique said:

“Oh, that was someone else’s fault....not Dak.”

Our fanbase is just so collectively dumb. I’m convinced most of them don’t even like football in general. They just like cheering for our uniform.

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You are probably right. It's why you had so many defending Nolan, for example, even when it was obvious he was a big factor in the D sucking. People seemingly take the position that if a player or coach is hired by the Cowboys, gosh darn, they gotta be good!

jterrell said:

I rate Wilson higher than Dak.
Last year Russ struggled but Dak was injured so it kinda wiped.
I however suspect the next 4-5 years Dak will be better.
And if Dallas doesn't want a short term deal why would they want a 3 year deal with Russ??
That deal would come in at very good prices(70m over 3 years is sweet) as SEA eats the SB and roster bonus money already paid but you'd eat 90-100M to get years 4 and 5 added to the deal now and more if you wait.

I don't realistically see a move there.

If I am SEA I am not trading for an unsigned Dak AND paying crazy dead money to Russ. No way my cap can handle that.

Russ could and should win in Dallas. So why would SEA want back very low R1s?
Want them enough to eat crazy dead cap money?

DAL has a young QB they can structure as they like.
It will be very costly but they don;t have to eat those cap costs now.
In fact they can stretch them as long as Dak plays by using voidable years, roster bonuses and fresh extensions every 2-3 seasons.
OR they can simply suck it up and pay the costs and realize QB prices only go one direction: Up.
Dallas has to understand the market here and if they see a QB "correction" coming then stop being scared of a 4 year deal.

But they can't be as stupid as they were last august and offer 30M AAV which was less than both Goff and Wentz. And spread over 5 years which was longer than either deal.
That was an insult and they deserved to be laughed at for it.
Dak's high water ask was 4 years at 40M AAV in response to that insult.
That would be my opening offer if I were Dallas just to say hey we messed up and let's get this done.
You get your 5 years but at 191.4M.

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You'd likely be eating something similar to that in those years with Dak. If Dallas gets him signed, it would not surprise me if they try to push down the first year hit given this is going to be a challenging cap year and bite the bullet in forcing more cap hit into future years right from the signing.

atlantacowboy said:

.............and he never will have that kind of support if we pay him 40M a year or even 35M. Dak isn't about winning. He's about being respected, and we all know money is respect in the NFL. He doesn't care if we pay him the entirety of the 180M salary cap and surround him with volunteers. He'll take the money.

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How do you know what he’s about? Millions of Americans every day are negotiating in some way to better their lives whether they’re millionaire athletes or minimum wage workers trying to get a better wage. That is America get over it. Let’s not pretend we know him well enough to take a personal shot at him.

And Dak has taken some hits over the years that would make other QBs break in two. These guys want to make sure the reward is worth the risk they’re taking. QBs are getting paid and that’s the business side of it. Get over that too.

jterrell said:

I rate Wilson higher than Dak.
Last year Russ struggled but Dak was injured so it kinda wiped.
I however suspect the next 4-5 years Dak will be better.
And if Dallas doesn't want a short term deal why would they want a 3 year deal with Russ??
That deal would come in at very good prices(70m over 3 years is sweet) as SEA eats the SB and roster bonus money already paid but you'd eat 90-100M to get years 4 and 5 added to the deal now and more if you wait.

I don't realistically see a move there.

If I am SEA I am not trading for an unsigned Dak AND paying crazy dead money to Russ. No way my cap can handle that.

Russ could and should win in Dallas. So why would SEA want back very low R1s?
Want them enough to eat crazy dead cap money?

DAL has a young QB they can structure as they like.
It will be very costly but they don;t have to eat those cap costs now.
In fact they can stretch them as long as Dak plays by using voidable years, roster bonuses and fresh extensions every 2-3 seasons.
OR they can simply suck it up and pay the costs and realize QB prices only go one direction: Up.
Dallas has to understand the market here and if they see a QB "correction" coming then stop being scared of a 4 year deal.

But they can't be as stupid as they were last august and offer 30M AAV which was less than both Goff and Wentz. And spread over 5 years which was longer than either deal.
That was an insult and they deserved to be laughed at for it.
Dak's high water ask was 4 years at 40M AAV in response to that insult.
That would be my opening offer if I were Dallas just to say hey we messed up and let's get this done.
You get your 5 years but at 191.4M.

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Hey guyz, “Last year Russell struggled...”

40 TDs/13INTs
68.8%
4,200 yards
105.1 rating (73.5 QBR)
12-4 team record

Lulz, the hubris of some in this fanbase.

CalPolyTechnique said:

Hey guyz, “Last year Russell struggled...”

40 TDs/13INTs
68.8%
4,200 yards
105.1 rating (73.5 QBR)
12-4 team record

Lulz, the hubris of some in this fanbase.

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But he struggled in that playoff game. He stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!

conner01 said:

I’d do that
But why would they?
Dak will be nearly twice as expensive as Wilson going forward

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Yep, that's why this thing requires a 3-team deal. And likely why speculation includes the Raiders.

1. Dallas gets Wilson, for less than they'd have to pay Dak
2. Oakland gets a young quarterback that Gruden thinks he can mold (he always loves his next quarterback)
3. Seattle gets a solid starting quarterback option at a much lower cost, as well as draft picks to restock a team that's missed on several recent drafts

At its face, I think it makes sense, but I'd be shocked if Jerry and Stephen would even look at any options other than 'Plan A' in signing Prescott. Keeping options open doesn't look to be their thing.

stasheroo said:

Yep, that's why this thing requires a 3-team deal. And likely why speculation includes the Raiders.

1. Dallas gets Wilson, for less than they'd have to pay Dak
2. Oakland gets a young quarterback that Gruden thinks he can mold (he always loves his next quarterback)
3. Seattle gets a solid starting quarterback option at a much lower cost, as well as draft picks to restock a team that's missed on several recent drafts

At its face, I think it makes sense, but I'd be shocked if Jerry and Stephen would even look at any options other than 'Plan A' in signing Prescott. Keeping options open doesn't look to be their thing.

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If Gruden was calling all the shots in Vegas you might be able to pull this off. But with Mayock there, he's probably the calm ying to Gruden's crazy yang.

Sydla said:

If Gruden was calling all the shots in Vegas you might be able to pull this off. But with Mayock there, he's probably the calm ying to Gruden's crazy yang.

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My impression has always been that Gruden truly calls the shots and that he in fact brought Mayock in afterwards.

atlantacowboy said:

He is a great player, but he's not Brady or Manning. His contract buys us 2 years to rebuild the defense which is the minimum its going to take. Then, he's due a new contract which will be larger than the one Dak wants. So what's the point? Our best bet is to draft one of these QBs at #10 and have 5 years of a cheap rookie contract at QB.

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Oh, I wouldn't take the proposed deal at all. We can't afford to gut multiple drafts to save 15mil or so relative to Dak.

atlantacowboy said:

I think its the natural attrition that occurs when you have to go cheaper at skill positions b/c your QB is making 20% of the salary cap. We've seen it in LA after the Goff deal and Philly after the Wentz deal. Mahomes gave KC a sweetheart deal. The full brunt of his massive deal doesn't hit them until year 3. So for all those looking at Mahomes contract and thinking "hey it worked in KC", think again.

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That's surely some of it. But at least Wilson continued to deliver with the reduced skill positions.

Zeke to Hawks?
Prescott 6-20 against teams with winning records.
Wilson to Big D?

I wouldn't.

Why? Wilson is 32. His strength is his mobility. QB's whose game is based on mobility generally fall off a cliff in their mid 30's. Trade for him, you prolly have 1-2 years. Maybe 3.

We are further away than that, so this trade would be absolutely pointless.