The reason Dak isn't signed yet

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fivetwos said:
Nothing like still fixating on a pay day years down the road after you watched your ankle snap in half.

Turning down market price for a life changing amount of money when you aren't all that great and have yet to win a thing is just pure greed.

Not to mention you can't pass a physical.

It really may be time to think about moving on....if you're the Dallas FO that is.
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OMG, are you part of the high school drama club.... "watch your ankle snap in half"...well he had surgery. fixed it...its freaking NFL, injuries happen. even alex smith who literally snapped his leg, came back and played.

and the issue was that Dak wanted one less year in his contract, so taking less money, yet jones' wanted 5 year contract....

and you think, maybe, just a little, Dak's doctor and surgen, the team doctors, Jones' may know, just a tiny bit more about his ankle than you and all the internet assumptions you are making...
 
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Frozen700 said:
1. His asking price must be too high again

2. Mike M must not have full faith in him, as does Stephen

Both go hand in hand.

If they thought he was the elite QB, some here believe, he would get whatever. Mike would let it be known, "bro, we need this dude by any means"

I'm not a Dak fan, but ready for this to be over.

Trade him or just out right let him walk.
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its been one and never been anything more then #1

Daks not just asking for high prioce he wants max AAV, Max bonus, max guarantees , short years, so so the only player in DC Jones history that wont allow jerry to write team friendly deal and there he sits..he want his cake and eat it too plus some ice crème and then goes for the brownie cart..

this is not the Jones issue at all , they arent cheap recent deals show that they all jumped dak because they allowed team friendly structure, its gone done was easy and now they are paid for life..

Dak doesnt under this concept as his chirping brother, entourage, and agent are feesdig his ego and making him believe hes elie and deserves it all..hes not sure 32-34mil but on 5-6 year deal to help team is his value..hes surpassed that and now that pittbull stare down continues but the ones who are billionaires and your boss have leverage regardless of what fans and media think because they and plan and number in mind and dont have to cross it..they can use up dak this season or trade him and start over..

Daks record with this team the last 2 years is in decline regardless of its his fault of not , why be sub 500 and not be playoff team for 38miollin dollar qb who isnt allowing the team some flexibility, now post injury even less reason to pay him that much..whatever dak,..im over this..whatever happens ill be fine with it..
 

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PJTHEDOORS said:
Then same criteria for Aikman & Romo. They too weren't elite. They were average. Were not accurate. Needed talent around them.
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SMH...Aikman was known to be one of the most accurate QBs in the league.....so was Romo......AIkman is in the HOF....

but I do agree, this misnomer about QBs not needing talent and lifting tall buildings all by themselves is just a crock of bullshiet.
 

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fivetwos said:
He is betting on himself, yet preventing the team from getting better around him.

Just so he can maybe cash in again....when he can have that money now.

I mean really....what does he think he is going to get in 2024??

50 million a year? 60 million?

Just add that to the end of the 3 year deal he wants now.

No, its not guaranteed but neither is the idea that he will be able to cash in again in three years.

What if he snaps that ankle again and can't play?

What if the league comes up with something to stop these absurd QB salaries?

What if owners simply stop giving out these insane deals?

I'm not at all understanding what he wants in three years that he can't have now.
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Bigdog said:
Dak might be playing with fire if wants 3 years and then cash in again. He is betting on himself which I applaud but if he stinks it up, doesn’t improve, or gets injured again, then no team might sign him. If he does well then good for him and deserve another contract. He and his agent has to know then the guarantee and APY salary should be significantly lower than if it is a 4 or 5 year deal.
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its a risk HE is willing to take....he bet on himself and he got tagged and 32. about to get tagged and 37M.....you can't play scared.....if you do, that's how you get injured and get to suckiness. just see Wentz. his mind went and so did his play.
 

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fivetwos said:
Why can't they just agree that his salary will be a certain percentage of whatever the cap is?

Probably not a big enough statement for Todd France....

Which he apparently wants to do TWICE with one player.

Dak needs to realize that he needs to take what's fair and allow the team to build around him.

Otherwise he will still be a loser once the time comes for that second massive payday (when you already have more money than you need) arrives.

I'm gonna have a very difficult time rooting for this guy if he plays on a tag again knowing he is gone.....for a low 3rd round pick.
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Did you forget all about that horrific compound fracture and dislocated ankle in Oct? Did you forget about the second hidden surgery on the deltoid ligament, a very strong ligament where surgery is uncommon unless the injury is very major?

Are we all to assume that all is well with the leg? If Dak begins the season on PUP, what does that do concerning negotiations? What if Dak can’t even play this year?

If I am GM, I am offering nothing until I see him run, cut, push off on that plant foot, and make all the throws and I want an independent diagnosis on his leg with 2nd and 3rd opinions. No tag.
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hidden surgery? from who? you....you think, maybe, just maybe, Jones' and team doctors were in the loop and had talked with his surgeon, before and after the first surgery...or is your expectations for Dak to send you a personal email letting you know...come on dude...grow up
 

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pacy said:
But why? Why be so stubborn and want 5 years instead of 4 and now 4 years instead of 3?

Just give him his 3 year contract. In the end it may be a blessing for the Cowboys.
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If he wants a three year deal then he has to give up some money. The only reason he and his agent pushed for 4 initially is they just wanted to get to FA faster to pocket more guaranteed money. Well if that's what they want, they then can't demand he also be paid AAV as the highest QB or around $40MM too. If you want something you have to give a little somewhere else.
 

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Very good question, the other QB's were signing 4 year deals and the Joneses were stuck on 5 and with the rumor of where the cap will be and escalating QB contracts, this deal isn't going to be extraordinary even in 2022, if they do the longer term deal.

Part of this is unique to the Cowboys because they have the only owner than demands attention so we never know how much that is playing into anything but that has been the MO since he saw the attention Johnson was getting.

I cannot stand the sight or sound of that ugly sack of monkey poop.
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But let's be clear most of his peers signing 4 year deals were guys with time still left on their rookie deals. So they were able to basically rip up their rookie deals and create new 6 year deals. And the reason for that is the same reason why Dallas wanted 5 years........... cap flexibility.
 

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jazzcat22 said:
Where did this 3 years come from, any links?
If this is really true, then why tag him, just move on. As next year it will be a 2 year deal them to get his NEXT big contract.

Sign Dalton, draft a QB. Or just draft what QB is there at #10 and throw him out there. Fix the defense to help him out.
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if you want to let Dak walk and Sign dalton, then its time to trade Lawrence, Martin, cut Smith, let zeke walk, cut/trade cooper and cash in on Gallup and rebuild....given how much dalton sucks and chances of hitting on a QB is 1 out of 5 and .....that way we assure ourselves the top pick and a chance to find a QB, if by chance that year a good one is coming out.....this year's crop ain't too promising after Lawrence and even Lawrence has warts...

keeping Dalton with current team, will assure us a 4-6 win season and that's a top 10 pick. getting rid of some of the fat, will assure us a 1-3 win season and a chance at the top pick.
 
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CouchCoach said:
Very good question, the other QB's were signing 4 year deals and the Joneses were stuck on 5 and with the rumor of where the cap will be and escalating QB contracts, this deal isn't going to be extraordinary even in 2022, if they do the longer term deal.

Part of this is unique to the Cowboys because they have the only owner than demands attention so we never know how much that is playing into anything but that has been the MO since he saw the attention Johnson was getting.

I cannot stand the sight or sound of that ugly sack of monkey poop.
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This isn't really accurate CC. I can't find any examples of a franchise QB being under contract for less than five years after signing a new contract. Do you have any examples?
 
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DAL1180 said:
Aikman wasn't accurate? Did you ever even watch him? I'm not anti-Dak but this is just ignorant. Unless you were being sarcastic.
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Troy was considered one of the most accurate QB's that came along in a very long time.

I remember Jimmy saying during one of Troy's workouts, before the draft, once he seen Troy throw a pinpoint pass 30 yards downfield in 30 plus MPH wind he knew that was his future QB and draft pick.
I am not sure those were the actual numbers, but they were close.
 

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Diehardblues said:
And that appears to be where we’re heading with this unless there’s some kind of awakening before March 9th deadline.

And for those who are wondering why they are wanting FA in 2024 is cause 2023 is when the new Collective Bargaining agreement is up for renewal and there’s always been a sizable increase in the players share and Cap. And would be an excellent time for your contract to be up for renewal.

If we got a deal done in 2018 like we should have before his Rookie deal expired and France came on the scene then we could have had the 5 year deal we wanted. If we had real football guys running our franchise they’d of known by then if he was our guy and not waited until his Rookie deal ran out.

If a deal can’t be had the Jones are going to be crucified and rightfully so. At least here locally. We have some that want to fault Dak and France but it was our hesitation early on that has brought us to this impasse. We didn’t hesitate with some of our other big contracts but we have with Dak and it’s going to cost us either in salary or losing our Franchise QB. Totally mismanaged by our dysfunctional organization!!!!!
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They had a deal. Dude, get your facts straight. Dak renegged last minute.
 
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But let's be clear most of his peers signing 4 year deals were guys with time still left on their rookie deals. So they were able to basically rip up their rookie deals and create new 6 year deals. And the reason for that is the same reason why Dallas wanted 5 years........... cap flexibility.
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Exactly.
 

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Rayman70 said:
if Jerry comes out and says he will do right by Dak because they think of him as family, thus letting him walk and getting nothing in return, then I think I may be done. It would be a terrible business model. To answer the question as to why Dak isn't signed, its simple really. ANSWER IS TODD FRANCE. Dak has been misled and misrepresented woefully. Greed and the iron fist approach by the agent has taken over again. Until that changes drastically, he won't be a cowboy. The only option soon may be to tag him and find a trade partner Dak feels good about so he can start for a team. Seattle is starting to make some sense actually. Hard to believe, but Wilson is starting to look like a cheaper option than keeping Dak the longer this drags out. Question will be what will it take. The most I would do is a 1st round pick in 2022, a conditional 1st in 2023, and a couple players..ie like Jaylon Smith and or Zeke. A package like ZEKE AND DAK coupled with a 1st in 2022 might be enough to land Wilson. It helps both teams NOW. Plus we would hold onto our picks mostly so we can fix the D.
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You're not considering contracts. Zeke's contract makes him pretty much untradeable.
 
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Sydla said:
But let's be clear most of his peers signing 4 year deals were guys with time still left on their rookie deals. So they were able to basically rip up their rookie deals and create new 6 year deals. And the reason for that is the same reason why Dallas wanted 5 years........... cap flexibility.
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You are giving them too much credit. They sat down and realized how they'd screwed the pooch with Lawrence, Elliott, Cooper and Smith and realized these other teams with 35M QB;'s, they aren't paying that many players that much money.

They're not any better at managing the cap than they were 20 years ago and that's all the son is supposed to be doing.

They were not willing to let other players walk so now they're faced with letting their most important player walk. Complete and total crappy management and SNAFU.
 
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