The reason Dak isn't signed yet

Status
Not open for further replies.
jazzcat22

jazzcat22

Staff member
Messages
77,359
Reaction score
96,020
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
CowboysFaninHouston said:
if you want to let Dak walk and Sign dalton, then its time to trade Lawrence, Martin, cut Smith, let zeke walk, cut/trade cooper and cash in on Gallup and rebuild....given how much dalton sucks and chances of hitting on a QB is 1 out of 5 and .....that way we assure ourselves the top pick and a chance to find a QB, if by chance that year a good one is coming out.....this year's crop ain't too promising after Lawrence and even Lawrence has warts...

keeping Dalton with current team, will assure us a 4-6 win season and that's a top 10 pick. getting rid of some of the fat, will assure us a 1-3 win season and a chance at the top pick.
Click to expand...

If the team dump all those players to rebuild, then why would they keep Andy. No way Andy could win without those players. And no way they do that to tank to get a top pick. That is absurd.
I don't even know what you are trying to say to my response, of my other post. It makes no sense to me.
I was saying build the defense, and the offense as is (if OL says healthy), you can win with Andy. And we seen them win with Andy with a very injured team. Apparently you just do not like Andy.
 
Diehardblues

Diehardblues

Well-Known Member
Messages
55,342
Reaction score
36,502
kskboys said:
They had a deal. Dude, get your facts straight. Dak renegged last minute.
Click to expand...
But there’s no deal if he hadn’t signed.

I understand your argument but the bottomline is it’s rare for Franchises not to get a deal done if they truly want to keep their QB.

Ultimately it’s up to the Cowboys to get a deal done. The only pass I’d give our Football Idiots is if Dak publicly stated he wanted out of Dallas like we’ve seen elsewhere .

Our local media is already bashing our Idiot and Son for waiting so long to get a deal done which in effect is either going to us millions more or losing our Franchise QB.
 
fivetwos

fivetwos

Well-Known Member
Messages
19,265
Reaction score
26,171
blueblood70 said:
its been one and never been anything more then #1

Daks not just asking for high prioce he wants max AAV, Max bonus, max guarantees , short years, so so the only player in DC Jones history that wont allow jerry to write team friendly deal and there he sits..he want his cake and eat it too plus some ice crème and then goes for the brownie cart..

this is not the Jones issue at all , they arent cheap recent deals show that they all jumped dak because they allowed team friendly structure, its gone done was easy and now they are paid for life..

Dak doesnt under this concept as his chirping brother, entourage, and agent are feesdig his ego and making him believe hes elie and deserves it all..hes not sure 32-34mil but on 5-6 year deal to help team is his value..hes surpassed that and now that pittbull stare down continues but the ones who are billionaires and your boss have leverage regardless of what fans and media think because they and plan and number in mind and dont have to cross it..they can use up dak this season or trade him and start over..

Daks record with this team the last 2 years is in decline regardless of its his fault of not , why be sub 500 and not be playoff team for 38miollin dollar qb who isnt allowing the team some flexibility, now post injury even less reason to pay him that much..whatever dak,..im over this..whatever happens ill be fine with it..
Click to expand...
Last paragraph....I'm about there myself.

I've been thinking this is Jerry stalling for headlines.

I'm leaning now toward the other side being unreasonable.

Dak wants the team to be all in with him, yet he doesn't seem to want to reciprocate.

In the end, either way, its financial security for several generations for Dak but it seems like the agent wants to make a statement.
 

kskboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
44,498
Reaction score
47,358
CouchCoach said:
You are giving them too much credit. They sat down and realized how they'd screwed the pooch with Lawrence, Elliott, Cooper and Smith and realized these other teams with 35M QB;'s, they aren't paying that many players that much money.

They're not any better at managing the cap than they were 20 years ago and that's all the son is supposed to be doing.

They were not willing to let other players walk so now they're faced with letting their most important player walk. Complete and total crappy management and SNAFU.
Click to expand...
Especially paying Jaylon and EZ when they didn't have to.
 

kskboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
44,498
Reaction score
47,358
fivetwos said:
Last paragraph....I'm about there myself.

I've been thinking this is Jerry stalling for headlines.

I'm leaning now toward the other side being un reasonable.

Dak wants the team to be all in with him, yet he doesn't seem to want to reciprocate.

In the end, either way, its financial security for several generations for Dak but it seems like the agent wants to make a statement.
Click to expand...
Dak and his agent's actions in this matter have never made sense.
 
Diehardblues

Diehardblues

Well-Known Member
Messages
55,342
Reaction score
36,502
CouchCoach said:
You are giving them too much credit. They sat down and realized how they'd screwed the pooch with Lawrence, Elliott, Cooper and Smith and realized these other teams with 35M QB;'s, they aren't paying that many players that much money.

They're not any better at managing the cap than they were 20 years ago and that's all the son is supposed to be doing.

They were not willing to let other players walk so now they're faced with letting their most important player walk. Complete and total crappy management and SNAFU.
Click to expand...
Preach it Coach !!!!!

What ever happened to all of those fans who argued Stephen taking over was uplifting the Cowboys. Lol
 

kskboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
44,498
Reaction score
47,358
Diehardblues said:
But there’s no deal if he hadn’t signed.

I understand your argument but the bottomline is it’s rare for Franchises not to get a deal done if they truly want to keep their QB.

Ultimately it’s up to the Cowboys to get a deal done. The only pass I’d give our Football Idiots is if Dak publicly stated he wanted out of Dallas like we’ve seen elsewhere .

Our local media is already bashing our Idiot and Son for waiting so long to get a deal done which in effect is either going to us millions more or losing our Franchise QB.
Click to expand...
OK, let me say it slower. They........had.......a........deal......in.....place..... Dak.....renegged......at.....the......last.....minute.

Exactly what are you proposing that they should've done?
 
Diehardblues

Diehardblues

Well-Known Member
Messages
55,342
Reaction score
36,502
kskboys said:
OK, let me say it slower. They........had.......a........deal......in.....place..... Dak.....renegged......at.....the......last.....minute.

Exactly what are you proposing that they should've done?
Click to expand...
Counter offered until he signed . Make him a deal he can’t refuse. Or we risk losing our QB.

The 3year at 41 mil I hear sounds good at this point.

The fact we couldn’t get a deal done sooner is going to cost us. It doesn’t matter who’s fault it is.
 
Wood

Wood

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,447
Reaction score
5,697
Frozen700 said:
1. His asking price must be too high again

2. Mike M must not have full faith in him, as does Stephen

Both go hand in hand.

If they thought he was the elite QB, some here believe, he would get whatever. Mike would let it be known, "bro, we need this dude by any means"

I'm not a Dak fan, but ready for this to be over.

Trade him or just out right let him walk.
Click to expand...

agreed. Franchise tag is off table - Dallas would need to redo too many contracts just for 1 more year of Dak. The fact we are down to wire tells me everything I need to know about how Cowboys really feel about Dak but they needed to be in top 5 of draft to position themselves out of this. Might just need to bite bullet and get 3 year deal with Dak.
 
blueblood70

blueblood70

Well-Known Member
Messages
38,486
Reaction score
26,921
fivetwos said:
Last paragraph....I'm about there myself.

I've been thinking this is Jerry stalling for headlines.

I'm leaning now toward the other side being unreasonable.

Dak wants the team to be all in with him, yet he doesn't seem to want to reciprocate.

In the end, either way, its financial security for several generations for Dak but it seems like the agent wants to make a statement.
Click to expand...
exactly
 
Frozen700

Frozen700

Well-Known Member
Messages
17,439
Reaction score
6,353
CouchCoach said:
If the reports are fact, it is now a 3 year deal. They wanted a 5 year deal last year and his agent is counting the tag year as year 1 of a 4 year deal, which is all he wants. From the get go, Todd France has been pointing to 2024 as a FA year for Prescott. He doesn't seem to want to come off that.

If that's the case, they're better off tagging him and making other plans past 2022.
Click to expand...

Well even with that being the case. Wouldn't you just give him what he wants, and then in 3 years pay him more because you know he's "elite "

If they felt he was, they'd give into whatever demands. Because they'd know end if the day he puts on his backpack and carries the team

Which he does not
 
Diehardblues

Diehardblues

Well-Known Member
Messages
55,342
Reaction score
36,502
kskboys said:
Dak and his agent's actions in this matter have never made sense.
Click to expand...
They’ve made sense for Dak. Just not the Cowboys.

The new Collective Bargaining agreement is in 2023. 2024 is going to be an opportune time for a new contract.

We should have given Dak an extension before his Rookie deal was over like in 2018. That was our last chance for a more team friendly deal. It’s how most franchises are handling these QB’s. Before their Rookie. contract expires
 
fivetwos

fivetwos

Well-Known Member
Messages
19,265
Reaction score
26,171
Team wants: to be able to create cap room over the life of the deal (5 years plus).

Dak wants: to be able to cash in again while still semi young (3 years).

What does Dak seriously expect in three years? 100 million year? Probably not.


So.....what in the world is wrong with combing the 3/120 Dak wants with something like a 3/165 (which is what he would be seeking by then BEST case)...and do a 6/285 thing.

Of course if Dak stinks he won't see those final three years, but if that's the case who is paying him that anyway at that time?

It all makes very little sense that both sides can't be appeased.
 
Frozen700

Frozen700

Well-Known Member
Messages
17,439
Reaction score
6,353
Rayman70 said:
Dak is obviously trying to extort money up front now and the agent is behind it. This is out of character for Dak. I truly do not think its him doing this.He is getting bad advice.
Click to expand...

How do we know the true character of dak?

A few interviews of him saying nice things like a politician?

I think the best example is his brother, who constantly runs his mouth, who dak obviously doesn't shut up.

He may point to the true character of Dak
 
Last edited:
visionary

visionary

Well-Known Member
Messages
27,592
Reaction score
31,973
CowboysFaninHouston said:
there are only three elite QBs...Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes....no, I don't consider Wilson Elite...he is great, not elite.....Dak is clearly, no doubt a top 10 QB....
Click to expand...

Dak is a QB who plays well in the regular season and shrivels like Romo did in the post season
 
TwoCentPlain

TwoCentPlain

Numbnuts
Messages
15,169
Reaction score
11,084
CowboysFaninHouston said:
hidden surgery? from who? you....you think, maybe, just maybe, Jones' and team doctors were in the loop and had talked with his surgeon, before and after the first surgery...or is your expectations for Dak to send you a personal email letting you know...come on dude...grow up
Click to expand...

Can you show me a quote or comment from Jerry or Stephen on Dak’s second surgery? I haven’t seen one to date. No reporters even bothered to ask the obvious? Very odd, like the dog not barking to Holmes. The surgery happened in the beginning of Dec and first comment on it was from ‘sources’ in early Feb, two months later. Why didn’t Dak and Jerry announce it in Dec?

You are running blindly with assumptions. I am stopping and asking questions before I make big decisions.

It is March, nearly 5 months later and no videos of Dak rehabbing? I guess he is just camera shy.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top