Jerry's formula for reaching a SB has to change quick

George

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He didn't really get out of the way. Parcels never wanted TO.
That’s true. It was brief as I believe Parcells’ agreement with Jerry was that Parcells would coach the team and not share that responsibility with Jerry as every other coach has besides Jimmy.
 

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Jerry has a formula for defense, gimps, druggies, over valued, washed up and cheap. You can’t spend on D when you have to spend so much on offense

The guys on offense were the ones worth keeping.

The good players on defense were few and far between, and largely flashes in the pan. Lee, DLaw, Crawford, Byron, Jaylon.

The only one they let go was Byron, and he certainly seemed like just another flash in the pan from his play this year. We were *right* to not try to keep Quinn too.

We kept paying Lee and Crawford *at least* 2 year past their sell by dates. Jaylon managed one good season then cratered. Even DLaw, who is playing well, and is beloved by PFF, is way down on sacks, QBhits, QBknockdowns, and QBpressures. He's way down on everything you pay a DE big money for.

We haven't been paying the defense much, but arguably we should have been paying them less.
 

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The guys on offense were the ones worth keeping.

The good players on defense were few and far between, and largely flashes in the pan. Lee, DLaw, Crawford, Byron, Jaylon.

The only one they let go was Byron, and he certainly seemed like just another flash in the pan from his play this year. We were *right* to not try to keep Quinn too.

We kept paying Lee and Crawford *at least* 2 year past their sell by dates. Jaylon managed one good season then cratered. Even DLaw, who is playing well, and is beloved by PFF, is way down on sacks, QBhits, QBknockdowns, and QBpressures. He's way down on everything you pay a DE big money for.

We haven't been paying the defense much, but arguably we should have been paying them less.
Jerry believes Offense is key to winning it all, all the resources spent on hiding the QB weakness has left the team in a bad position on defense. The dregs and damaged players and Jerrys favorites are what the sad D is built on. Remember the way a SB win is acceptable to Jerry is if he can say he built it all, hence the terrible contracts, draft picks and dumpster free agents. 25 years and as long as Jerry is in control the Cowboys are just Jerrys fun hobby. As for Dlaw just another bad signing.
 

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At this point no one should care enough to worry about not reaching the SB, just try to enjoy what's left of the team that you do enjoy and hope for the best.
 

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Washington was what 7-9 is the weakest year in the weakest division last season with one of the top defenses.. guess what they were missing? star players on offense..

you have to find balance and either daks here or we could end up 5 years + searching through many drew henson types looking for daks replacement and while building the defense we then find we lack scoring and still end up losing. They made a choice we didn't have any stars on defense to sign , not for lack of trying , they drafted many defenders that at this point have all been disappointments..

im sure they will hit on a few defenders soon that hopefully turns this around..they've made mistakes but they havent ignored defense they just picked wrong..it happens, there are a lot of teams that either have very good defense or very good offense.. its tough to a have formula to have both at the same time or everyone would win a SB..

I get the frustration, they overpaid to keep dak and the money is mostly invested on offense but that was not by design, they had no idea when picking all those years since 2014 along the OL, WR, RB and QB would end up being the superstars, they just happen to turn out that way..

we are due to find star on defense but sometimes you have to be truly bad and have forst overall pick, top 3 type bad seasons maynt in row to find guys on both die of the ball..

do you really beiver winston wins that sb last year or even gets ther with that defense? nope they went and got brady, gronk, fournette and others ..it was not just the defense that got them there they needed them ALL..what did the rams do they had great defense most of the season fell short and did what, go out and pay a ransom to get rid of Goff and get retread in Stafford.. who is SF trying to decide on replacing? a QB, they had great defense at one time, how about CHItown who are they coveting now, great defense but failing hard why? a QB , they lack stars all over the offense..cant score cant win even with that defense. Denver had great defense and couldn't win with like 10 qbs they got manning won a sb , what happened after manning left? they still cant find a qb and now the defense is old and overpaid and they are losing , A LOT of games..

need more examples? i mean it works both ways and yes defense has ben lacking while around here but having a balance is tough and that the formula that 30 other teams are always searching for, not many succeed..
you are right on the cowboys making big mistakes in the draft picking defenses. Taco !!! Van Der Easch ? and many others in FA. But my point is why draft a zeke 4th overall for example ? we have seen how expensive and unproductive it has been .
I agree you need balance and that is why washington did not make it further in the playoff despite winning the diviision despite a terrible offense. A bit more talent on offense and washington wojuld have been scary.
Tampa is interesting. I think they win the super bowl with a decent QB and that defense. Of course we wont' know and Brady is so special .
Remember New england's last super bowl? the defense bailed out brady and an inept offense and won that game with scoring just one TD.
 

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Defense no longer wins championships.

No, I don't want to hear about Tampa. That was a product of the Chiefs OL being decimated by injuries, nothing more.
very few SB winners without a top tier defense. look at the history. Heck. the great Brady was bailed out in the last New England super bowl by the defense . There are very very few exceptions when you see a stout offense overcome mediocre defensive talent. but the overall history shows you need top tier defense to win a SB.
 

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very few SB winners without a top tier defense. look at the history. Heck. the great Brady was bailed out in the last New England super bowl by the defense . There are very very few exceptions when you see a stout offense overcome mediocre defensive talent. but the overall history shows you need top tier defense to win a SB.
It's 2021. Most of the history of the league is irrelevant.
 

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you are right on the cowboys making big mistakes in the draft picking defenses. Taco !!! Van Der Easch ? and many others in FA. But my point is why draft a zeke 4th overall for example ? we have seen how expensive and unproductive it has been .
I agree you need balance and that is why washington did not make it further in the playoff despite winning the diviision despite a terrible offense. A bit more talent on offense and washington wojuld have been scary.
Tampa is interesting. I think they win the super bowl with a decent QB and that defense. Of course we wont' know and Brady is so special .
Remember New england's last super bowl? the defense bailed out brady and an inept offense and won that game with scoring just one TD.


dont play the woulda coulda game not having a great qb was their demise,

ill stick to my point, it was spot on..

they were what one game better then us with us missuing17 starters including using our 3rd starting Ol and many others with dak out and zekes hurt..come on man the WFT is overrated because they went 7-9 with the others teams crippled ..one game better and they were dangerous , a few players away is all we are on defense lmao..

stop booth licking our division rivals, it doesnt look good on fans esepecially when they were sub 500 and what one game better then us..lmao get out of her with that noise..they met us and we actually used a 3rd string qb , OL and many defenders hurt both games , all that said second game 4th qtr 4 points down and our coach calls one of the dumbest st calls of all time to open the flood gate for them,..they got lucky..period end of story
 

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This Thread.....:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

In NFL history how many teams have let go of a player the caliber as Dak at that age at that position?


Y'all went from "Cowboys have no faith in Dak" to "We will never win a Super Bowl with Dak" real quick. Y'all sound like emotional children lol.
Next step

“Cowboys will win Super Bowl with Dak’s backup like Wentz”
 

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Jerry believes Offense is key to winning it all, all the resources spent on hiding the QB weakness has left the team in a bad position on defense. The dregs and damaged players and Jerrys favorites are what the sad D is built on. Remember the way a SB win is acceptable to Jerry is if he can say he built it all, hence the terrible contracts, draft picks and dumpster free agents. 25 years and as long as Jerry is in control the Cowboys are just Jerrys fun hobby. As for Dlaw just another bad signing.

A whole lotta Jerry mind reading. What they've *said* in public sufficiently explains what they've done. They've *said* they want to build through the draft and sign our own guys, and we've just drafted better on offense than defense, and the guys we *have* signed on defense haven't panned out.
 

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Jerry 's formula is focused on signing the STARS , especially on the offense . The commercial strategy is to sell tickets and jerseys by having a team built around offensive star players that keep the cowboys in the mainstream media and generate revenue as a result. That part has been very successful revenue wise.
The old saying in many sports is: offense wins fans , defense wins championships .

The dak signing is another continuation of Jerry's strategy. Keeps the star players on board , despite the massive cost and the defensive deficiencies . To be honest , i don't think dak would be too different from Dalton or Gilbert or another FA QB. The offensive system will make many QBs very productive. For those who argue differently , just look at the last 5 years , dak is not a real difference maker and the team cannot win with a bad defense. One or 2 games here and there will not reach the super bowl. If the goal is to reach the playoffs every other year, then yes Dak can do that.

In addition, the coaching hires historically have been on the offense , Chan Gailey , jason Garrett and MM.

Troy and others have said it many times. The focus has to be on fixing the defense and not commercialism. This is why top tier GMs would not authorize such crazy signings of Dak and zeke and others. Did you ever see the Patriots/Steelers/ Green bay make headline market making signings ?? Nope.

The next moves in FA will be crucial to salvage any chance to fix the defense and re-sign important components to field a competitive team.

Truth. Every Cowboys team that won the Super Bowl had a great defense. Johnson's Super Bowl 27 team had the number one defense in the league, in fact. Defense was a trademark of the Landry years. He was the innovator who created the 4 - 3 defense and the 4 - 3/Flex. He nearly won Super Bowl V with a stellar defense and an anemic offense. That same basic team won the next year with the same defense plus a better quarterback and improved offensive attack. While other fans have been arguing over whether we should sign Dak or trade for Wilson, I've been screaming to build up a great defense. Neither Dak nor Wilson could win the Super Bowl with our awful defense.
 

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Jerry is the worst GM in the history of the NFL and we're being told his son is even worse.
 

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Truth. Every Cowboys team that won the Super Bowl had a great defense. Johnson's Super Bowl 27 team had the number one defense in the league, in fact. Defense was a trademark of the Landry years. He was the innovator who created the 4 - 3 defense and the 4 - 3/Flex. He nearly won Super Bowl V with a stellar defense and an anemic offense. That same basic team won the next year with the same defense plus a better quarterback and improved offensive attack. While other fans have been arguing over whether we should sign Dak or trade for Wilson, I've been screaming to build up a great defense. Neither Dak nor Wilson could win the Super Bowl with our awful defense.
very true. Not sure why the defensive picks were also so bad . not sure it is luck alone. Even Dlaw and VDE are not difference makers and have not made any real impact due to injury or inconsistency . Hope they hit gold in the draft and FA very soon.
 
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