News: PFT: Should the Cowboys have let Dak Prescott hit the open market?

Denim Chicken · Mar 24, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
No he has the option of playing on the tag.

Yes, and that is likely what would have happened. IMO, he and his agent would not accept a lower contract just bc a another team was not interested in giving up 2 picks.

Therefore you end up with a $37 cap hit this year i/o the $22 you have, you also likely do not have a high draft pick bc you have DAK playing this year, so you are forced to sell out you entire draft or multiple drafts for a QB next year or try to sign the limited vets available as a bridge.

Either way, if you want a chance at winning, I think they made the right decision.
Now we have a 3 year window to go all-in and we can leave DAK contract in 2024 with only $26M dead cap if he does not win a championship by then.

TwoCentPlain · Mar 24, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
so the record, wins and losses are all on the QB. no other part of team, defense, special teams and coaches bear any responsibility to team wins and losses.

and you have taken specific stats, in a period to make a case...... and I agree on the sacks....I argued the very point two years ago and I put that on his bad foot work (wwhhhaaattt!). yes, his bad foot work, made him not to trust his throws and his own ball placement and he held the ball too long at times. once he improved his foot work, he trusted his throws and his own accuracy and it improved....and in fact, I had argued two years ago, not to give him a contract then until we see his improvements which we did. Then I argued, I rather wait and see the improvements and pay a little more than sign him and regret it back then.

and what is the rate of 3 and outs? how does it compare to rest of NFL...you have an impression!!! everyone has an impression.....and obviously you seem very biased so your "impression" is quite skewed.......

and I posted before, this year...our scoring rate per quarter is average to above average and top 5 in the 4th quarter over the past 3 years....so again. your impression. the slow starts, is due to horrid bad stops by the defense and lack there of. your expectations are that the offense scores every possession and that they score often to keep up with the historically bad defense.

you have provided no evidence to suggest he has regressed. in fact most stats, point to imprvements in his game. I don't say that. I don't think that. 50 front office personnel and GMs said he is a top 10 QB. almost all analysts, former football players all say he is a top 10.

but we should it ignore the facts. ignore the experts. and take your biased "impression".

geez....really!!!

Who touches the ball the most in a game? Who makes the audibles and decisions on offense? So QBs have the largest hand in wins and losses of any player. While not all on the QB, a lot of it is.

Stats don’t tell the whole picture. A player’s 40 time in underwear is a common stat but film speed is important. How does the player’s speed on film look?

You can point to any stat you like to defend, but bottom line, it has to pass the smell test and at some point, I don’t care what the stats are, if the player is not translating those stats into wins and Super Bowls.

blueblood70 · Mar 24, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
allowing Dak to hit the market could have drive the price even higher and taking a chance at losing him. you assume, incorrectly that the price would have been lower.

and all teams have a starting QB. Dalton...I mean Dalton for gawd's sake got 10M contract. he is not worth minimum wage, yet he got 10M..... and I find it funny that Chicago is signed him, yet still courting Wilson, per some reports willing to give up 3 first round picks and couple of starters to get him.

and I think its utterly stupid to say Dak is worth 35, I would have signed him. but at 40 I don't like it.... it makes ZERO sense. if he is not the QB, then why pay 30? 35? or even 25!!!! that's utterly stupid...he is either your QB or he is not. slightly over paying doesn't matter in big scheme of things and 2 years from now, his contract won't look anything significant to where the market is going..

and you wrong assumption that even if he is the 10th best QB (which he is higher obviously), that the NFL slots him to pay him 10th highest salary....the draft and draft pick contracts work that way. the FA market doesn't. I don't think you know the difference.

and outside of Chicago, there were several other teams that would have been highly interested. Rams obviously giving up 2 firsts for Stafford a 33 year old QB with back problems. you think they wouldn't go for Dak and keep their first rounders and get a pick for Goff!!!, or WFT, or Patriots who are pursuing Grappolo, or even the eagles who traded Wentz and still interested in Watson trade or Giants, who would part with Jones in a heart beat, or Saints, or Indy (prior to trading for wentz), or niners, assuming they would trade grappolo to New England and only waiting to see what their options are, and perhaps Miami, who there are reports aren't happy with Tua and linked to trades for Watson, Broncos would be all over this, given Elway is turning every stone to get a QB.

you obviously don't understand the NFL QB market and the value of a top 10 QB.....

you are letting your emotions and bitterness drive your response.

SAS YIOU with NO proof this is debate and open discussion some of wanted the market to prove daks worth and once and for shut everyone up,..him getting paid obviously have not stopped the debates..

nice guess it would have driven his price up but actual facts are left unproven..debate continues no one can be right because jerry didnt NE tag dak..period..

TwoCentPlain · Mar 24, 2021

Future said:
No, they don't. The idea of a quarterback who wins games when the players/systems around them fail is a myth. Never happens. Never been a better example of that than Mahomes in the Super Bowl.

Then why pay a QB $40M?

Future · Mar 24, 2021

ninja said:
Then why pay a QB $40M?

Because if you don't have a quarterback you don't have anything.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
It's reasonable for Dak in that scenario to believe he could get a better deal if a team didn't have to give up two 1sts along with paying a big salary. Plus there is the notion of qb salaries exploding due to the new tv money (which is why Dak wanted a short deal in the first place). Dak playing on three tags would have been a win for him.

Perhaps, but there is no proof, one way or the other, to suggest that. Much of that would be based on his play, which was not extraordinary in 2019 and was capped short in 2020. The is nothing, one way or the other that tells us if the money would have gone up, gone down or stayed the same, to be honest. But I feel pretty confident in my original statement, that nobody was paying him as much as we were offering him in 2019/20.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Future said:
Because if you don't have a quarterback you don't have anything.

But this assumes that we would not have a QB. If we can afford to shell out 40 AAV and guarantee the most money, up front, in the history of the game, then we can afford to offer 35 AAV with a little less generous up front money, which would, without a doubt, get you a QB. None of what you say here tracks, to me. The premise is wrong, IMO.

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 24, 2021

ninja said:
Who touches the ball the most in a game? Who makes the audibles and decisions on offense? So QBs have the largest hand in wins and losses of any player. While not all on the QB, a lot of it is.

Stats don’t tell the whole picture. A player’s 40 time in underwear is a common stat but film speed is important. How does the player’s speed on film look?

You can point to any stat you like to defend, but bottom line, it has to pass the smell test and at some point, I don’t care what the stats are, if the player is not translating those stats into wins and Super Bowls.

you are all over the place.

first, I am glad you admit that its not all on the QB....so you are making progress.... but by the same token you blamed Dak for the losses....so you are trying to live on both sides of the fence at the same time....you say its not, but you blame dak and your spin was that he touches the ball the most. sorry. not good enough. does coach bear any responsibility for scheme? play design? play call? icing his own kicker and costing a game? any of that important at all. How many supebowls would Brady win with Garrett as his head coach playing in dallas over the past 10 years?

and in one post you throw out stats, 50 sacks, etc...and then you say stats don't matter. seems like you flip flopping and based on your posts I have seen you do that often. you don't seem to have a philosophy you want to stik to, just respond to each post independently, trying to win that argument.

and now, you have gone way way way down...smell test....first it was my impression, without any evidence to back up your "assumed impressin", now its smell test...

and lastly, is every QB expected to win superbowls in their first 4,5 years in the league and if they don't it means they are not worth it and they should just be dumped? I mean in the next 5 years we have Mahomes, Watson, Dak, Rodgers, Burrow, Allen, Wilson, Lawrence, Herbert, etc.....and we know they all can't win it so some of them are not deserving? is your idea that every 5 years, you cycle through QBs and rebuild?

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 24, 2021

blueblood70 said:
SAS YIOU with NO proof this is debate and open discussion some of wanted the market to prove daks worth and once and for shut everyone up,..him getting paid obviously have not stopped the debates..

nice guess it would have driven his price up but actual facts are left unproven..debate continues no one can be right because jerry didnt NE tag dak..period..

says you who has no proof that Dak didn't have a market, except because you thought so.....if you read the news, listened you would know that Dak was ranked as the #1 FA this off season....Dak's worth is based on market evidence, ala Watson getting 40M average. mahomes getting 45M+ average, and three years ago Wilson getting 35M average and Goff and Wentz getting 33M average.....

what evidence have you to say Dak didn't have a market? none.....

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 24, 2021

ninja said:
Then why pay a QB $40M?

because without one, you could have all the others and it fails 100% of the time.....easiest path to the superbowl is by having a QB that can produce offensively.....without one, you need to have a top notch all time best defense to have any chance (ala ravens with Dilfer). and that requires to have multiple all pro HOF type defenders to build such a defense and last I checked, those guys cost a lot of money and don't fall off a tree, given you would need a few...

its simple really if you open your eyes and put your anger aside.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
It's reasonable for Dak in that scenario to believe he could get a better deal if a team didn't have to give up two 1sts along with paying a big salary. Plus there is the notion of qb salaries exploding due to the new tv money (which is why Dak wanted a short deal in the first place). Dak playing on three tags would have been a win for him.

But it's just as reasonable to assume that an offer of 35, at the time, would have been much more acceptable to Dak and France, especially after seeing that there were no takers out there for anything remotely close to 40 AAV and the strongest QB class coming out in recent memory. I mean, at some point, it comes down to perception right?

DallasEast · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
How many franchise QBs have teams put non-exclusive tag on?

There is your answer.

^ This.

All discussion hinges upon how Jerry Jones a.k.a. the Dallas Cowboys general manager views Dak Prescott. Obviously, Jones has always judged Prescott as a franchise-capable quarterback. The eventual signing removed all doubt what Jones thought of Prescott.

Outsiders can question whether Jones should have allowed Prescott to hit the open market, tagged him as non-exclusive, etc. The insider, who squats inside Jones' skull, thought the exact opposite of those hypotheticals. End of story.

CWR · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
Yes, and that is likely what would have happened. IMO, he and his agent would not accept a lower contract just bc a another team was not interested in giving up 2 picks.

Therefore you end up with a $37 cap hit this year i/o the $22 you have, you also likely do not have a high draft pick bc you have DAK playing this year, so you are forced to sell out you entire draft or multiple drafts for a QB next year or try to sign the limited vets available as a bridge.

Either way, if you want a chance at winning, I think they made the right decision.
Now we have a 3 year window to go all-in and we can leave DAK contract in 2024 with only $26M dead cap if he does not win a championship by then.

Yeah we couldn't keep kicking the can down the road. Sooner or later he was getting paid. Like him or not we had no contingency plan in place. Now we can at least manage our cap. Dak will at worst, be good this season. No way he falls apart in this offense. We have too much talent on that side of the ball. Now we are in a position to build up the defense rather than blow it all up, which is exactly what we'd have done if we let him walk. It suprises me how many fans accept a rebuild thinking the team is beyond hope while having a perennial top 5 offense.

jaythecowboy · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Perhaps, but there is no proof, one way or the other, to suggest that. Much of that would be based on his play, which was not extraordinary in 2019 and was capped short in 2020. The is nothing, one way or the other that tells us if the money would have gone up, gone down or stayed the same, to be honest. But I feel pretty confident in my original statement, that nobody was paying him as much as we were offering him in 2019/20.

He was near the top of the league in 2019. He had some bad games, but I think with his full body of work he would have gotten a better deal than what Dallas offered at the time. But I think Dallas likely would have matched anyway if it came to that. But in any case Dak would have been perfectly fine playing it out on multiple tags to get to true free agency unless he got the deal he wanted. That is just my read of the situation.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
He was near the top of the league in 2019. He had some bad games, but I think with his full body of work he would have gotten a better deal than what Dallas offered at the time. But I think Dallas likely would have matched anyway if it came to that. But in any case Dak would have been perfectly fine playing it out on multiple tags to get to true free agency unless he got the deal he wanted. That is just my read of the situation.

What is "near the top" though? I mean, he was not top 10, I don't believe. He was probably somewhere in the area of 12 to 15, depending. That's in the middle, to me, but if you see it different, that's fine. You only need one team to believe something different but again, this discussion is based on the premise that Dak found no takers, at the time. So that's not really a thing for this discussion, I don't believe.

RonnieT24 · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
This isn't true. I would not be afraid of Dak in our division. I know that any team that wanted him would have to pay him upwards of 40 mil AAV. Nobody should be afraid of that.

Right.. so you would be okay with Dak facing our mostly non-existent pass rush throwing against our perpetually lost secondary with the support of a top 5-10 defense. Again if you want the Ratscums to get that much better I have to question how much you like the Cowboys. If Dak signed with the Ratscums his cap numbers in the first couple of years would have been just as team friendly for them as they are for us therefore the AAV number is of little consequence. They paid Alex Smith 27? million last year so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they're cool with spending money at QB. And doing it while weakening the Cowboys would have been Daniel Snyder's best wet dream. Dak has won more division titles than the rest of the QBs left in the division combined.

He has the highest career passer rating, the highest career QBR and the best career won/loss percentage.. But we want him to play for one of most hated rivals..

Check..

RonnieT24 · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
What is "near the top" though? I mean, he was not top 10, I don't believe. He was probably somewhere in the area of 12 to 15, depending. That's in the middle, to me, but if you see it different, that's fine. You only need one team to believe something different but again, this discussion is based on the premise that Dak found no takers, at the time. So that's not really a thing for this discussion, I don't believe.

In 2019 Dak Prescott was #10 in passer rating..
He was #2 in passing yards
He was #4 in QBR
He was #5 in yards per attempt
He was #3 in net yards per attempt
He was #4 in TD passes
He was #13 in completion percentage.
He was #13 in INT percentage

So in most categories he was in the top 5.. in the others he was either in the top 10 or just outside of it. He was not at or above 15 on any category that I can find. So in your estimation his performance was "in the middle?" Base on what? He threw for more yards and more TDs than Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Matt Ryan, Tom Brady and Drew Brees.. But in the eyes of some he's "average. " Again I say... "sure.. "

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
But it's just as reasonable to assume that an offer of 35, at the time, would have been much more acceptable to Dak and France, especially after seeing that there were no takers out there for anything remotely close to 40 AAV and the strongest QB class coming out in recent memory. I mean, at some point, it comes down to perception right?

strongest QB class according to who? we hear that every other year...and you have no prof that Dak didn't have a market or suitors, except for your own opinion......its your perceptions right?

and why pay 35? and balk at 40? what's the difference? why is he worth it at 35? and not at 40? yes, I understand there is a limit. the 40M was the market rate...if he is not your QB, then why pay 35? it makes no sense.

MarcusRock · Mar 24, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
He was near the top of the league in 2019. He had some bad games, but I think with his full body of work he would have gotten a better deal than what Dallas offered at the time. But I think Dallas likely would have matched anyway if it came to that. But in any case Dak would have been perfectly fine playing it out on multiple tags to get to true free agency unless he got the deal he wanted. That is just my read of the situation.

He certainly got the deal he wanted. I just loved the irony of "someone" leaking that he wanted $40M last year to make him look bad and then actually having to pay that less than one year later. That was probably a Todd France special right there. Plus a no tag and no trade. $40M would have been my floor after that nonsense.

dcstar · Mar 24, 2021

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