News: PFT: Should the Cowboys have let Dak Prescott hit the open market?

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
yeah, but if you looks at the vet that were signed this year, there was no Rogers available. You had the Daltons &Tyrods of the world. Stafford was the best, but he still cost significant capital.

Yeah, but Dalton, if we are honest, played really well with less talent. I mean, I just don't see the big difference between the results Dak put up and what the team did behind Dalton.

But more to the point, the post you are referring to, is not talking about last year. It's talking about this year and the next couple.

I'm watching what's going on in Green Bay. They didn't convert Rodger's Salary and that tells you that they are likely moving on in the next year or so. Love has been sitting on the bench now for 3 seasons and Green Bay will have to see what they have there soon, before he gets to his 5th year. This is exactly what they did with Favre so I think the odds are better then just good that they do it again with Rodgers. I think we are going to see Rodgers on the Market next year and had we elected to allow Dak to move on, we would be sitting on top of a ton of cap, an improved team and a lot to work with on a short term deal for a QB. If GB doesn't move on from Rodgers, we have an excellent shot at Love, who is a really talented QB. More natural ability then Dak, to be honest.

Just a different take on it.

Denim Chicken · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, but Dalton, if we are honest, played really well with less talent. I mean, I just don't see the big difference between the results Dak put up and what the team did behind Dalton.

But more to the point, the post you are referring to, is not talking about last year. It's talking about this year and the next couple.

I'm watching what's going on in Green Bay. They didn't convert Rodger's Salary and that tells you that they are likely moving on in the next year or so. Love has been sitting on the bench now for 3 seasons and Green Bay will have to see what they have there soon, before he gets to his 5th year. This is exactly what they did with Favre so I think the odds are better then just good that they do it again with Rodgers. I think we are going to see Rodgers on the Market next year and had we elected to allow Dak to move on, we would be sitting on top of a ton of cap, an improved team and a lot to work with on a short term deal for a QB. If GB doesn't move on from Rodgers, we have an excellent shot at Love, who is a really talented QB. More natural ability then Dak, to be honest.

Just a different take on it.

It's an interesting thought, but I think Rodgers will be pushing close to 39 next year. He's already said he's unhappy with his contract which stands at around $33 per year. Dak caps hits are $22 and $33 this season and next, so I guess I'm not seeing the cap savings with this move. Rogers has been unquestionably better than Dak, but for how much longer I'm not sure. The fall off is drastic sometimes.

I am not going to comment on Love or Dalton. I think Dak is better than you do and we wont be able to come eye-to-eye on that.

sean10mm · Mar 24, 2021

JJHLH1 said:
We never have to worry about Dak embarrassing the franchise or being suspended due to off the field issues.

That's what Texans thought about Watson too, until it was suddenly proven wrong.

Verdict · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't really see that as being the case, to be honest, but if thats the case then OK. I'm good with taking those two Firsts and moving forward.

I don't think the Pats are a Playoff team with Dak in a year, that's just the truth of it to me. I think they could be in a few years but not in a single year. Defensively, they are OK but Offensively, they don't really have much from that 2020 team. Harris, he's OK but he's not a guy that is top 10 in the league. They have an old Edelman and a very questionable OL. They sign Dak to a big contract and they don't have a lot of extra cap to improve that Offense over night. You see Dak having a big year, coming off injury with that OL? I don't really see that but that's just me. I think if the Pats do that deal, we are picking in the Top 10 again.

You figure, the Pats are now in a division with the Bills, who they are not catching in a year. A much improved Miami team, who many say are a QB away and a Jets team who is picking second overall. I don't see them winning their own division next year, even with Dak, to be honest.

JMO.

I’m not one to speak in absolutes, like many here. Everything depends on something else.

I think Dak is a superior QB to Brady at this point in their careers. I can see why some would disagree with that statement though. It’s not saying Dak is all world (he’s not but that doesn’t rule out that he can be). I think Dak is somewhere around #10 QB +/- 5 spots. It’s more of an indictment of Brady than it is a plus for Dak.

If the Hoodie can win with Brady, he can sure win with Dak. Dak would be the future of that team.

There is no way we will ever know. But receivers are pretty easy to come by these days and is supposed to be a strength of this draft.

buybuydandavis · Mar 24, 2021

Reality said:

"Jerry Jones didn't have unique information about the money that was coming from the TV networks."

Fact not in evidence, almost certainly false.

Jerry would have to be in the top 10 people *in the world* for knowing how the tv contract negotiations were going and likely to go. Jerry is the top owner in the league in terms of what he brings and has brought to the *business* of the NFL. That's why he's in the HOF.

We signed Dak before the new tv contract numbers were out. If Dak were on the market now as a free agent, I expect he gets more. Everyone now knows that the upcoming increase in the cap will be YUGE, dwarfing the +-10% on Dak's contract that we were wringing our hands over. While there is a cap crunch this year, a 4 year contract with some hokey pokey on voidable years allowed us to push his cap hit into the future years of exploding cap.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
Yeah the Titans proved this last year by fielding a team with a 2000 yard rusher.. a great offensive line and a pretty good defense.. but when a team loaded up to stop Henry and put the ball in Tannehill's hands the Titans found out what Dolphins fans already know. He aint that guy.. For all the talk about "With Zeke, the o-line and these receivers we don't need Dak" we need to look no further than the Titans as illustrative of what happens when you have all that other stuff on offense but a chump at QB. You need a TRANSCENDENT defense like the 2000 Ravens, the 2003 Bucs, the 2013 Seahawk or the 2015 Broncos to carry a chump at QB.. and the Cowboys are about 5 or 6 pro-bowl level players away from that kind of defense. Just having a "good" defense won't cut it if your QB can't tote the mail when called upon. Tannehill has 534 passing yards TOTAL, 5 TD and completes 62.8% of his passes in FOUR playoff games. He averages under 150 yards a game in the playoffs. In contrast to that Dak Prescott has 794 yards, 5TD and completes 64.1% of his passes in THREE playoff games. One guy has stepped up nicely in the playoffs.. One guy has not. You pay the guy who has stepped up.. You spend every offseason looking to replace the guy who hasn't.

Interesting....

So what you are saying is basically that Tannihill, a former TE who I don't love, was able to QB a new team to the playoffs and post a better record then did Dak? Forgive me but I don't see the relevance of any of this.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
It's an interesting thought, but I think Rodgers will be pushing close to 39 next year. He's already said he's unhappy with his contract which stands at around $33 per year. Dak caps hits are $22 and $33 this season and next, so I guess I'm not seeing the cap savings with this move. Rogers has been unquestionably better than Dak, but for how much longer I'm not sure. The fall off is drastic sometimes.

I am not going to comment on Love or Dalton. I think Dak is better than you do and we wont be able to come eye-to-eye on that.

The savings is in the strategy. You pay a Vet like Rodgers to come in and actually improve the position, while you draft a kid and bring him along. The savings is in the fact that you are not putting out nearly as much money on the short term deal as you would have on the Dak deal. You also save once your young QB has improved enough to take over the starting position. In the long run, you actually save a lot of money because while the cap hits on Dak may be better early, they are hell at the end and all of that money is guaranteed. Plus, remember that Dak got the biggest up front Guarantee in the history of the league. That's money spent so you can say the cap hit is this or that but the bill is still very expensive.

This would be the win strategy around a move like the one outlined above. And there is always the fact that Rodgers would definitely be an upgrade to Dak, in terms of QB position.

Denim Chicken · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
The savings is in the strategy. You pay a Vet like Rodgers to come in and actually improve the position, while you draft a kid and bring him along. The savings is in the fact that you are not putting out nearly as much money on the short term deal as you would have on the Dak deal. You also save once your young QB has improved enough to take over the starting position. In the long run, you actually save a lot of money because while the cap hits on Dak may be better early, they are hell at the end and all of that money is guaranteed. Plus, remember that Dak got the biggest up front Guarantee in the history of the league. That's money spent so you can say the cap hit is this or that but the bill is still very expensive.

This would be the win strategy around a move like the one outlined above. And there is always the fact that Rodgers would definitely be an upgrade to Dak, in terms of QB position.

It could have worked. But you would have been betting on a few things with Rogers that might not ultimately happen.

In the end, I'm good with how things work out as long as Dallas does not further touch Dak's contract and moves on from him in 2024 if no championship has been won.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Verdict said:
I’m not one to speak in absolutes, like many here. Everything depends on something else.

I think Dak is a superior QB to Brady at this point in their careers. I can see why some would disagree with that statement though. It’s not saying Dak is all world (he’s not but that doesn’t rule out that he can be). I think Dak is somewhere around #10 QB +/- 5 spots. It’s more of an indictment of Brady than it is a plus for Dak.

If the Hoodie can win with Brady, he can sure win with Dak. Dak would be the future of that team.

There is no way we will ever know. But receivers are pretty easy to come by these days and is supposed to be a strength of this draft.

In general, I would agree with that 10 plus or minus thing. The problem with New England right now, is that they are seriously lacking in overall team talent, especially Offensively. If they do the deal for Dak, that seriously limits their ability to improve through FA so they have to develop their talent. They are not going to do a deal like The Cowboys did where they are on the hook for Dak for two additional year, after he's gone and they would not put up with France's BS contractual practices. That's not Belichick, at all. Would you agree with that? I don't see them structuring a deal for Dak the way the Cowboys did IMO. This, of course, assumes that they are as interested in Dak as you suspect. I'm not at all sure that's the case, to be honest.

buybuydandavis · Mar 24, 2021

Verdict said:
I’m not one to speak in absolutes, like many here. Everything depends on something else.

I think Dak is a superior QB to Brady at this point in their careers. I can see why some would disagree with that statement though. It’s not saying Dak is all world (he’s not but that doesn’t rule out that he can be). I think Dak is somewhere around #10 QB +/- 5 spots. It’s more of an indictment of Brady than it is a plus for Dak.

If the Hoodie can win with Brady, he can sure win with Dak. Dak would be the future of that team.

There is no way we will ever know. But receivers are pretty easy to come by these days and is supposed to be a strength of this draft.

Dak seems like the perfect guy to replace Big Ben.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
It could have worked. But you would have been betting on a few things with Rogers that might not ultimately happen.

In the end, I'm good with how things work out as long as Dallas does not further touch Dak's contract and moves on from him in 2024 if no championship has been won.

That's true, but then again, aren't we betting on a few things with Dak as well? There are no guarantees there either. I would also suggest that Rodgers is not the only option at QB, to be had. With the kind of cap we would have had options available to us, there would have been several QB options open to us IMO. Would they have been better or worse then Rodgers, hard to say. I mean, with the cap we had, Wilson would have been on the table for us this year. We would have had the money to do that deal, had we wanted to. Rodgers is not the only possibility, but instead, just one example.

But you are right, no guarantees either way. But can we agree that we would have been in a much better situation from the standpoint of cap stability?

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

buybuydandavis said:
Dak seems like the perfect guy to replace Big Ben.

Yeah, that's a fit, assuming Dak would have wanted to go to Pittsburgh. I suspect that he would not have wanted to go to either NE or Pittsburgh. I honestly believe that had he not stayed in Dallas, the Jets would have been the best fit for Dak.

JMO

Denim Chicken · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
But you are right, no guarantees either way. But can we agree that we would have been in a much better situation from the standpoint of cap stability?

Most likely, but I cannot tell you for sure what kind of contract any other QB would command so I dont know for sure.

But I'm not really worried about our cap under DAK. It's $22, $33, then $44 (which is high, but also the same year the new TV deal go into place) then you move on in 2024 (albeit with a $26 deadcap, but that will be manageable with a rookie or cheap vet bridge).

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
Most likely, but I cannot tell you for sure what kind of contract any other QB would command so I dont know for sure.

But I'm not really worried about our cap under DAK. It's $22, $33, then $44 (which is high, but also the same year the new TV deal go into place) then you move on in 2024 (albeit with a $26 deadcap, but that will be manageable with a rookie or cheap vet bridge).

What makes you think we will be moving on in 2024? I mean, this IS basically the same deal that we saw with Romo. We didn't move on from Tony after his first new contract with France. We doubled down and ended up paying for it. How do we know that Jerry won't do the same thing? Honestly, I've watched Jerry for a long time and mostly, what I see is a guy who is a creature of his own nature. He doesn't move off of what he is, much.

If he holds true to nature, the second contract is going to be horrible. It was pretty bad with Romo and I doubt it will get better with Dak. The only thing that really saved us was drafting Dak and having him come in and actually start for us in his Rookie year. But then again, none of that happens if we don't invest heavily in all other positions on the team, before ever drafting Dak. That, IMO, is not going to happen again. We aren't as good a drafting team as we were then IMO but you never know, I guess lighting could strike twice.

JMO

Denim Chicken · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
What makes you think we will be moving on in 2024? I mean, this IS basically the same deal that we saw with Romo. We didn't move on from Tony after his first new contract with France. We doubled down and ended up paying for it. How do we know that Jerry won't do the same thing? Honestly, I've watched Jerry for a long time and mostly, what I see is a guy who is a creature of his own nature. He doesn't move off of what he is, much.

If he holds true to nature, the second contract is going to be horrible. It was pretty bad with Romo and I doubt it will get better with Dak.

JMO

I'm just saying I would move on. Who knows what Jerry will do or if he'll even be around. But for me, if you haven't won with a guy after 7 years, I think there is little chance in the future.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
I'm just saying I would move on. Who knows what Jerry will do or if he'll even be around. But for me, if you haven't won with a guy after 7 years, I think there is little chance in the future.

I think you probably know all you need to know after four but that's just me.

CWR · Mar 24, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
Well, we do have a top 10 pick. If the front office decided to do something, it should have been an outright release or a per-negotiated tag & trade and then draft your QB.

That was the only way out, IMO. Then you pray your drafted QB hits.

I believe we lost that option when we won a couple games at the end of the season. Too many qbs were going to go before 10.

JJHLH1 · Mar 24, 2021

sean10mm said:
That's what Texans thought about Watson too, until it was suddenly proven wrong.

I would counter by saying the way Watson wanted out of Houston after signing a massive contract also says something about his character.

And that took place before these alleged incidents became known.

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
So this is one site, that apparently shows Dak at 10, which is fine. But it also shows Rodgers at 12, Wents at 13, Ryan at 14 and Deshawn at 11. Tell me, how many GMs in the league are going to rate Prescott ahead of any of those QBs. And that's what is being discussed here, how valuable Dak would be in 2019.

I can give you sites from 2019 where Dak is not valued as the 10th QB in the league. It's the difference between putting up stats and the actual value statement behind the perception of any given player.

As I said, Dak doesn't scare me on another NFC team.

ahead of wentz...100% of them. ahead of ryan, lose to 100% of them. ahead of deshan, its probably 50% or more....ahead of rodgers....probably not

and passer rating doesn't mean value...and not a single stat onto its own defines a QB, you take all of it into consideration including the team, coaches, etc....

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 24, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't really see that as being the case, to be honest, but if thats the case then OK. I'm good with taking those two Firsts and moving forward.

I don't think the Pats are a Playoff team with Dak in a year, that's just the truth of it to me. I think they could be in a few years but not in a single year. Defensively, they are OK but Offensively, they don't really have much from that 2020 team. Harris, he's OK but he's not a guy that is top 10 in the league. They have an old Edelman and a very questionable OL. They sign Dak to a big contract and they don't have a lot of extra cap to improve that Offense over night. You see Dak having a big year, coming off injury with that OL? I don't really see that but that's just me. I think if the Pats do that deal, we are picking in the Top 10 again.

You figure, the Pats are now in a division with the Bills, who they are not catching in a year. A much improved Miami team, who many say are a QB away and a Jets team who is picking second overall. I don't see them winning their own division next year, even with Dak, to be honest.

JMO.

so Dak, with Bilicheck is not a playoff team. they went 7-9 last year, missing 6 of their starters and had Newton at QB......seriously dude.....

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