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Regarding this year's draft, I was one of many who weren't overly thrilled with the draft decisions that were made. But after looking into things more closely, I have changed my mind quite a bit. Hearing Dan Quinn's press conference, I realized that I was under the mistaken impression that the team was drafting for a 4-3 defense when this was not the case.

Initially, I was not a fan of drafting Micah Parsons, given what the team had already put into Jaylon Smith, Leighton Vander Esch, and the signing of Keanu Neal. But looking at things through that '3-4 lens', the decisions look much smarter.

I also felt that Odighizuwa and Golston were poor choices for 4-3 defensive tackle and defensive end respectively. It turns out that I now think I was wrong, and that both in fact were drafted to be 3-4 defensive ends, a position with far different athletic requirements.

Looking deeper, it looks like the Carlos Watkins and Brent Urban signings were to play 3-4 end as well. The signs were there, but I didn't see them until now. And I actually credit the team for not formally announcing the scheme prior to the draft. They kept that news quiet and did not give opponents the opportunity to assume what players they were looking for. I think that was a smart move, as well as the talk of downgrading players who opted out in 2020. Given who they drafted, that was clearly not the case. I'm giving Jerry credit for throwing that chum in the water as well. I criticize when I feel he gives out to much information, so I give credit where I feel it's due when he slips in some disinformation.

My initial draft grade was a C if I recall correctly. Given what I know now, I will gladly readjust my grade to an A-. Other than the off-the-wall pick of Nahshon Wright, the haul looks much better today.
 

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Regarding this year's draft, I was one of many who weren't overly thrilled with the draft decisions that were made. But after looking into things more closely, I have changed my mind quite a bit. Hearing Dan Quinn's press conference, I realized that I was under the mistaken impression that the team was drafting for a 4-3 defense when this was not the case.

Initially, I was not a fan of drafting Micah Parsons, given what the team had already put into Jaylon Smith, Leighton Vander Esch, and the signing of Keanu Neal. But looking at things through that '3-4 lens', the decisions look much smarter.

I also felt that Odighizuwa and Golston were poor choices for 4-3 defensive tackle and defensive end respectively. It turns out that I now think I was wrong, and that both in fact were drafted to be 3-4 defensive ends, a position with far different athletic requirements.

Looking deeper, it looks like the Carlos Watkins and Brent Urban signings were to play 3-4 end as well. The signs were there, but I didn't see them until now. And I actually credit the team for not formally announcing the scheme prior to the draft. They kept that news quiet and did not give opponents the opportunity to assume what players they were looking for. I think that was a smart move, as well as the talk of downgrading players who opted out in 2020. Given who they drafted, that was clearly not the case. I'm giving Jerry credit for throwing that chum in the water as well. I criticize when I feel he gives out to much information, so I give credit where I feel it's due when he slips in some disinformation.

My initial draft grade was a C if I recall correctly. Given what I know now, I will gladly readjust my grade to an A-. Other than the off-the-wall pick of Nahshon Wright, the haul looks much better today.

Maybe, maybe not on some of that. Parsons was a great pick no matter which system we play. The DE/DT thing, maybe. In either system, we still dont have a legit NT or 1T and Mcneil would have been the better pick for both of those. Unless Bohanna turns out to be some monster from day 1.

And now what do we do with Gregory? Does he come in on nickel down with 4 down lineman? Now Osi comes in with Gallimore to rush the passer on the inside? Much we dont know yet, but I do like some of your thoughts.
 

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Regarding this year's draft, I was one of many who weren't overly thrilled with the draft decisions that were made. But after looking into things more closely, I have changed my mind quite a bit. Hearing Dan Quinn's press conference, I realized that I was under the mistaken impression that the team was drafting for a 4-3 defense when this was not the case.

Initially, I was not a fan of drafting Micah Parsons, given what the team had already put into Jaylon Smith, Leighton Vander Esch, and the signing of Keanu Neal. But looking at things through that '3-4 lens', the decisions look much smarter.

I also felt that Odighizuwa and Golston were poor choices for 4-3 defensive tackle and defensive end respectively. It turns out that I now think I was wrong, and that both in fact were drafted to be 3-4 defensive ends, a position with far different athletic requirements.

Looking deeper, it looks like the Carlos Watkins and Brent Urban signings were to play 3-4 end as well. The signs were there, but I didn't see them until now. And I actually credit the team for not formally announcing the scheme prior to the draft. They kept that news quiet and did not give opponents the opportunity to assume what players they were looking for. I think that was a smart move, as well as the talk of downgrading players who opted out in 2020. Given who they drafted, that was clearly not the case. I'm giving Jerry credit for throwing that chum in the water as well. I criticize when I feel he gives out to much information, so I give credit where I feel it's due when he slips in some disinformation.

My initial draft grade was a C if I recall correctly. Given what I know now, I will gladly readjust my grade to an A-. Other than the off-the-wall pick of Nahshon Wright, the haul looks much better today.

Having the Cowboys actually have a plan (if they in fact did as you suggest) would be a welcome change...
 

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Regarding this year's draft, I was one of many who weren't overly thrilled with the draft decisions that were made. But after looking into things more closely, I have changed my mind quite a bit. Hearing Dan Quinn's press conference, I realized that I was under the mistaken impression that the team was drafting for a 4-3 defense when this was not the case.

Initially, I was not a fan of drafting Micah Parsons, given what the team had already put into Jaylon Smith, Leighton Vander Esch, and the signing of Keanu Neal. But looking at things through that '3-4 lens', the decisions look much smarter.

I also felt that Odighizuwa and Golston were poor choices for 4-3 defensive tackle and defensive end respectively. It turns out that I now think I was wrong, and that both in fact were drafted to be 3-4 defensive ends, a position with far different athletic requirements.

Looking deeper, it looks like the Carlos Watkins and Brent Urban signings were to play 3-4 end as well. The signs were there, but I didn't see them until now. And I actually credit the team for not formally announcing the scheme prior to the draft. They kept that news quiet and did not give opponents the opportunity to assume what players they were looking for. I think that was a smart move, as well as the talk of downgrading players who opted out in 2020. Given who they drafted, that was clearly not the case. I'm giving Jerry credit for throwing that chum in the water as well. I criticize when I feel he gives out to much information, so I give credit where I feel it's due when he slips in some disinformation.

My initial draft grade was a C if I recall correctly. Given what I know now, I will gladly readjust my grade to an A-. Other than the off-the-wall pick of Nahshon Wright, the haul looks much better today.
All good points Stash, and I was surprised as well with the smoke that was generated, well done.
When you look at the draft picks, they fit so much better in a 3-4 zone scheme on defense.
 

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Maybe, maybe not on some of that. Parsons was a great pick no matter which system we play. The DE/DT thing, maybe. In either system, we still dont have a legit NT or 1T and Mcneil would have been the better pick for both of those. Unless Bohanna turns out to be some monster from day 1.

Bohana certainly looks to be the player that they're banking on. It's the other candidates in the rotation that are more intriguing to me.

And now what do we do with Gregory? Does he come in on nickel down with 4 down lineman? Now Osi comes in with Gallimore to rush the passer on the inside? Much we dont know yet, but I do like some of your thoughts.

Thanks.

As for Gregory, I think he's a pass rush specialist and many draft forecasts had him ticketed for a 3-4 role anyway. This may actually be his best fit.
 

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Maybe, maybe not on some of that. Parsons was a great pick no matter which system we play. The DE/DT thing, maybe. In either system, we still dont have a legit NT or 1T and Mcneil would have been the better pick for both of those. Unless Bohanna turns out to be some monster from day 1.

And now what do we do with Gregory? Does he come in on nickel down with 4 down lineman? Now Osi comes in with Gallimore to rush the passer on the inside? Much we dont know yet, but I do like some of your thoughts.

I doubt even the Cowboys know who will do what, you can't add over a dozen new defensive players and have it all figured out in May. And I'm cool with that...
 

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Bohana certainly looks to be the player that they're banking on. It's the other candidates in the rotation that are more intriguing to me.



Thanks.

As for Gregory, I think he's a pass rush specialist and many draft forecasts had him ticketed for a 3-4 role anyway. This may actually be his best fit.

Gregory's value is a fresh-set-of-legs pass rusher. Lull the offensive linemen to sleep with big DEs then zap 'em with a speed rusher!
 

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If they are going to run the 3-4, even 1/3 of the time to slow the run down, this was a better address of that than when Parcells moved the team to the 3/4.

The offseason moves, including the draft, was a move in the right direction instead of getting trapped in some antiquated defensive scheme not designed to address the evolving NFL offenses.

Any DC is going to have to be how Belichick has been all along, able to chameleon from one D scheme to another to meet the offense.

I do not know how anyone could watch that clown show last year and not think this D has improved. When you get the leader of the D requesting a dumb down of the D early in the season, it's not going to go well and it went downhill but they started to gain some footing toward the end.

But, it's not all on the DC, they still have to make the plays when they're in position and they fell down on that too much. DC's don't cover or tackle.
 

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Quinn has produced some of the best defenses in NFL history, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. How quickly we seemed to cut guys and how the draft seemed to be catered towards a specific look, it seems like Quinn is decisive and we're moving towards a concept he has in mind.
 

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Maybe, maybe not on some of that. Parsons was a great pick no matter which system we play. The DE/DT thing, maybe. In either system, we still dont have a legit NT or 1T and Mcneil would have been the better pick for both of those. Unless Bohanna turns out to be some monster from day 1.

And now what do we do with Gregory? Does he come in on nickel down with 4 down lineman? Now Osi comes in with Gallimore to rush the passer on the inside? Much we dont know yet, but I do like some of your thoughts.

none of that is a worry, while the base will look like 3-4, they will be in 4 down players 70% off the time, Gregory will getting plenty time, MCclay also says there's a plan they won't disclose.
 

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Bohana certainly looks to be the player that they're banking on. It's the other candidates in the rotation that are more intriguing to me.



Thanks.

As for Gregory, I think he's a pass rush specialist and many draft forecasts had him ticketed for a 3-4 role anyway. This may actually be his best fit.

I think Urban is the guy they want playing the NT or 1T. I dont see anyway they are relying on a rookie 6th rounder. And if they were depending ONLY on the draft, then they would have tried harder to get a NT with a higher pick.

As far as gregory, its a little interesting, but are you saying he should play outside backer in the 3-4 and rush from a standup position?
 

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Looks like they're banking on Quinn to be a better teacher than Nolan. Hope they're right.

Thankfully, we won't be installing a defense over Zoom this year. And Quinn already looks more hands on than Tabasco Man.
 

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none of that is a worry, while the base will look like 3-4, they will be in 4 down players 70% off the time, Gregory will getting plenty time, MCclay also says there's a plan they won't disclose.

Thats exactly what I just said.
 

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Looks like they're banking on Quinn to be a better teacher than Nolan. Hope they're right.

Thankfully, we won't be installing a defense over Zoom this year. And Quinn already looks more hands on than Tabasco Man.

I you think about it, Quinn is doing MORE than Nolan tried to do. Quinn is not only switching to some 3-4 looks, but also has almost completely changed up the personnel in FA AND the draft. If the full offseason that will give him the advantage.
 

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Regarding this year's draft, I was one of many who weren't overly thrilled with the draft decisions that were made. But after looking into things more closely, I have changed my mind quite a bit. Hearing Dan Quinn's press conference, I realized that I was under the mistaken impression that the team was drafting for a 4-3 defense when this was not the case.

Initially, I was not a fan of drafting Micah Parsons, given what the team had already put into Jaylon Smith, Leighton Vander Esch, and the signing of Keanu Neal. But looking at things through that '3-4 lens', the decisions look much smarter.

I also felt that Odighizuwa and Golston were poor choices for 4-3 defensive tackle and defensive end respectively. It turns out that I now think I was wrong, and that both in fact were drafted to be 3-4 defensive ends, a position with far different athletic requirements.

Looking deeper, it looks like the Carlos Watkins and Brent Urban signings were to play 3-4 end as well. The signs were there, but I didn't see them until now. And I actually credit the team for not formally announcing the scheme prior to the draft. They kept that news quiet and did not give opponents the opportunity to assume what players they were looking for. I think that was a smart move, as well as the talk of downgrading players who opted out in 2020. Given who they drafted, that was clearly not the case. I'm giving Jerry credit for throwing that chum in the water as well. I criticize when I feel he gives out to much information, so I give credit where I feel it's due when he slips in some disinformation.

My initial draft grade was a C if I recall correctly. Given what I know now, I will gladly readjust my grade to an A-. Other than the off-the-wall pick of Nahshon Wright, the haul looks much better today.

I’m not sure how much of the 34 look we’re going to see. In his press conference, Quinn said that the early down or base will “look like a 34” but that 60 to 70 percent of the time they would be in the nickel/dime which will have four down linemen.

When asked about Odighizuwa, he immediately said he would be a 3-tech DT to provide an inside pass rush. He didn’t hesitate and he didn’t say that Owa would be playing some 4-tech or 5-tech DE. He specified right away that he was a 3.

Now that doesn’t mean that Odighizuwa won’t play any DE... but it does mean that the primary reason they drafted him was to play inside in a 4 man line.

I have no doubt that he brought in Urban and Watkins to play in the “34 look” packages to play some two gap as run stoppers. In some sets in the past, Quinn has used some sets where he has a 4-tech DE and a 1 tech that are both playing two-gap while the 3T and the DE/LEO are 1-gap. It is really a 4 man look but Urban/Watkins could be playing two gap while Odighizuwa and Gregory would be 1 gapping.

Ultimately, the defense will be multiple, just like they told us it would. And we have to assume that Quinn and the Cowboys drafted these guys with a role or roles specifically in mind for them. Many of them, like Odighizuwa, can play 1 or two gap and can do more than 1 thing. That is good and it probably wasn’t by accident.

what we do know (because Quinn told us so) is that the defense will be an attacking, aggressive defense and with all the new guys, it is going to be fascinating to see how Quinn is going to use all of these guys. Unlike last season, they’ll be prepared, play hard and know what their assignments are.

I can’t wait.
 

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As I have been saying, regardless of the scheme, as the draft played out the Cowboys did the best they could picking where they were except for Wright. Maybe they could have been more aggressive but only if they actually had other targets in mind. I do believe their first round target was Surtain, then Horn, and when they were gone they moved down because they had not particular target in mind at 10. At 12, the took best defensive player available, which was Parsons, probably because they could not trade down further. Taking Parsons in the 1st round set the tone for the next 3 or 4 rounds. I think they took Joseph because they didn't get a CB in round 1. Joseph was arguably the best CB available at 44. But JOK and Ojulari were both available at 44 and I think are better defensive players. Since they took LB at 12, they chose CB at 44. I think taking Parsons at 12 is also why they did not take Cox at 99.

You can't blame the Cowboys for their draft. Guys went off the board earlier in some cases than I expected and maybe the Cowboys felt the same way. We don't know how this will work out for them in the long run, but I do think Joseph is going to be a good player. I think Odighizuwa will be okay too. I am optimistic about Ball in a year or two, but I am certain he will be better than both Knight and Steele. I am less impressed with Golston, Wright, etc. Fehoko could be a sleeper.
 
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