We Dodged A Bullet Passing On Urban Meyer

Doomsday101 · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
One thing that will help Meyer is that in college he had pressure from not just the fans but a number of boosters as well. In the NFL he'll have just the owner, essentially, yes the fans are there but he's more insulated from them in the pros.

As long as the Khan is happy Meyer can proceed with his plans and not really have to worry about anybody else....

From what I have seen with guys like Parcells is not easy and takes a lot out of you, you put in long hours and you still get the pressure from media, fans and owner not to mention just the pressure coaches put on themselves. I really will be surprised in Myers is there in 5 years.

jterrell · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
One thing that will help Meyer is that in college he had pressure from not just the fans but a number of boosters as well. In the NFL he'll have just the owner, essentially, yes the fans are there but he's more insulated from them in the pros.

As long as the Khan is happy Meyer can proceed with his plans and not really have to worry about anybody else....

NFL pressure is FARRRR greater. The moves Meyer has made thus far have already generated bad press.
A lot more money at stake in the NFL with ticket sales.
The biggest issue is in college you can recruit a 5 star walk in stud and Meyer was a top notch recruiter.
In the NFL he has to draft those guys.
The other issue is being handed Trevor Lawrence day 1 if he can't get that guy going quick, it tarnishes the jersey sales and excitement pretty fast.
The Owner will side with Trevor over Meyer and turn the staff over to get a QB guru in place to save the face of the franchise.

Doomsday101 · May 13, 2021

jterrell said:
NFL pressure is FARRRR greater. The moves Meyer has made thus far have already generated bad press.
A lot more money at stake in the NFL with ticket sales.
The biggest issue is in college you can recruit a 5 star walk in stud and Meyer was a top notch recruiter.
In the NFL he has to draft those guys.
The other issue is being handed Trevor Lawrence day 1 if he can't get that guy going quick, it tarnishes the jersey sales and excitement pretty fast.
The Owner will side with Trevor over Meyer and turn the staff over to get a QB guru in place to save the face of the franchise.

and lets not forget in college it is easy to control kids hoping to make it to the NFL once they hit the NFL now you have young men with lots of money in pocket and too much time on their hands.

jterrell · May 13, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
From what I have seen with guys like Parcells is not easy and takes a lot out of you, you put in long hours and you still get the pressure from media, fans and owner not to mention just the pressure coaches put on themselves. I really will be surprised in Myers is there in 5 years.

It goes well beyond just basic "championship" pressure to week to week.
In P5 football Meyer faced 5 already won games every year, he was coaching for about 7 weeks of real football yearly.
The NFL will present 17 games that can easily be lost and he is starting as the underdog in EVERY Game.
That is a different type of relentless pressure.

Meyer has never walked in anywhere with a 5 year plan.
I was frankly shocked he went this route.
I am a Texas Tech fan but if I had to choose U of Texas or Jacksonville I'd put on that gawd awful rusted orange fast.
Far easier path to wins and far higher ceiling.

jterrell · May 13, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
and lets not forget in college it is easy to control kids hoping to make it to the NFL once they hit the NFL now you have young men with lots of money in pocket and too much time on their hands.

And you can turn over roster yearly if you need to.
No salary caps to worry about.
A guy signed to a large deal has to go through GM and maybe even owner.
Coaches have less power than ever int he NFL because of the financial side.

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

jterrell said:
NFL pressure is FARRRR greater. The moves Meyer has made thus far have already generated bad press.
A lot more money at stake in the NFL with ticket sales.
The biggest issue is in college you can recruit a 5 star walk in stud and Meyer was a top notch recruiter.
In the NFL he has to draft those guys.
The other issue is being handed Trevor Lawrence day 1 if he can't get that guy going quick, it tarnishes the jersey sales and excitement pretty fast.
The Owner will side with Trevor over Meyer and turn the staff over to get a QB guru in place to save the face of the franchise.

Don't agree, at least in the short term, Meyer brings a highly successful resume, he'll get a pass for at least a couple of years.

Jarntt · May 13, 2021

Not sure that we'd be worse off we with Meyer than we are with McCarthy. I always thought McCarthy was such a smart guy and an Offensive genius in his early years at GB. Now that I pay closer attention I realize he is not at all very smart and I don't think he would have had any success in GB without the QB play they had there. So I'm stuck now listening to him praise every little thing and never say a bad word about any of our players and acting like they are all Pro Bowlers and bring in all of his old coaches, players, etc. Might as well just go ahead and rename him Mike Jones...

Doomsday101 · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Don't agree, at least in the short term, Meyer brings a highly successful resume, he'll get a pass for at least a couple of years.

Highly successful resume comes with very high expectations, year 1 yes he will get somewhat of a pass but this season has not even started and some are questioning a simple move of bring in Tebow on a 1 year deal

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
Highly successful resume comes with very high expectations, year 1 yes he will get somewhat of a pass but this season has not even started and some are questioning a simple move of bring in Tebow on a 1 year deal

Is the owner questioning it? That's the key, Kahn may be fully okay with it, or may have just given Meyer carte blanche to do whatever he pleases for a couple of years. We don't know...

lukin2006 · May 13, 2021

More times than not college coaches don’t last long in the NFL.

Doomsday101 · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Is the owner questioning it? That's the key, Kahn may be fully okay with it, or may have just given Meyer carte blanche to do whatever he pleases for a couple of years. We don't know...

Media and media can be tough and it brings attention to fans. I'm sorry NFL HC is a lot more pressure than college. I'm sure the owner will give him leeway but the media will not nor will fans.

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
Media and media can be tough and it brings attention to fans. I'm sorry NFL HC is a lot more pressure than college. I'm sure the owner will give him leeway but the media will not nor will fans.

Meyer has college championships with two different teams. He can just fold up and leave if he wants, I'm sure he'd like to be another Johnson or Carroll, but he doesn't HAVE to do that. His legacy is secure. Sure he will have pressure, goes with the job, but it's not like he'll be considered an overall failure if he doesn't win a SB.

Appreciate your view....

Doomsday101 · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Meyer has college championships with two different teams. He can just fold up and leave if he wants, I'm sure he'd like to be another Johnson or Carroll, but he doesn't HAVE to do that. His legacy is secure. Sure he will have pressure, goes with the job, but it's not like he'll be considered an overall failure if he doesn't win a SB.

Appreciate your view....

At the pro level yes he will be viewed as a great college coach but not at this level. Lou Holtz was a great college coach but sucked in the NFL on the other hand guys like Jimmy Johnson won both college and pros. When you are HC of Florida and Ohio State getting talent is not very hard, at the pro level things are a bit more tricky.

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
At the pro level yes he will be viewed as a great college coach but not at this level. Lou Holtz was a great college coach but sucked in the NFL on the other hand guys like Jimmy Johnson won both college and pros. When you are HC of Florida and Ohio State getting talent is not very hard, at the pro level things are a bit more tricky.

Oh sure but that has little to do with whether or not he'll face more pressure for a couple of years as the Jacksonville coach. Besides, remember all the snide remarks about Jimmy when he became the coach of the Cowboys" "You won't be playing East Carolina", etc. But he and Carroll both won SBs, that shut up the automatic naysayers.
Meyer was just as, if not more so, than Jimmy and Pete, that alone will insulate Meyer for a while.

On this subject, plainly neither of us is changing our minds...

Doomsday101 · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Oh sure but that has little to do with whether or not he'll face more pressure for a couple of years as the Jacksonville coach. Besides, remember all the snide remarks about Jimmy when he became the coach of the Cowboys" "You won't be playing East Carolina", etc. But he and Carroll both won SBs, that shut up the automatic naysayers.
Meyer was just as, if not more so, than Jimmy and Pete, that alone will insulate Meyer for a while.

On this subject, plainly neither of us is changing our minds...

All I can say is the NFL is the biggest stage for Football, with it comes a ton of pressure. I like Meyers I think health will be what drives him out and have said I doubt he last 5 years in large part because of the pressure and the effect that can have on his health. Yes Jimmy was questioned as was Jerry for hiring him and thankfully things turned around quickly in large part because of the Walker trade but Jimmy still had to turn things around and did. For Meyers he comes in with an excellent resume as you mentioned but with that will come high expectation of winning and the pressures behind it.

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
All I can say is the NFL is the biggest stage for Football, with it comes a ton of pressure. I like Meyers I think health will be what drives him out and have said I doubt he last 5 years in large part because of the pressure and the effect that can have on his health. Yes Jimmy was questioned as was Jerry for hiring him and thankfully things turned around quickly in large part because of the Walker trade but Jimmy still had to turn things around and did. For Meyers he comes in with an excellent resume as you mentioned but with that will come high expectation of winning and the pressures behind it.

I get your point, you're wasting your time continuing to post about it.

I don't agree and never will, give it rest. Geez...

jterrell · May 13, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Don't agree, at least in the short term, Meyer brings a highly successful resume, he'll get a pass for at least a couple of years.

In the NFL you are betting on the QB.
When Garrett took the Giants job I was like mannn that dude should have just taken a college head coach role.
After year 1 there was plenty of talk of replacing him when Daniel Jones didn't soar.
Garrett's rep has not been helped and he was offered no real Head Coach opps in the off-season..

Jacksonville will be happy with Meyer if Trevor looks good and/or they start winning lots of games.
But his window gets real short if they don't do either which is about a 50/50 proposition imo.
My guess is right now he gets 24 months and is glad to be fired at the end of it so he can go rob a college after another year in the booth.

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

jterrell said:
In the NFL you are betting on the QB.
When Garrett took the Giants job I was like mannn that dude should have just taken a college head coach role.
After year 1 there was plenty of talk of replacing him when Daniel Jones didn't soar.
Garrett's rep has not been helped and he was offered no real Head Coach opps in the off-season..

Jacksonville will be happy with Meyer if Trevor looks good and/or they start winning lots of games.
But his window gets real short if they don't do either which is about a 50/50 proposition imo.
My guess is right now he gets 24 months and is glad to be fired at the end of it so he can go rob a college after another year in the booth.

Agreed.

If we hadn't had Jimmy and Pete, I'd be the first to say Meyer would be under a lot of pressure to succeed. But we did have the other two, took both of them a few years to get their team to be champions. I don't see that he'll not be given a couple of years, why would most of their fans expect him to be instantly successful when the other two were not? That's the history that was made. Oh sure some will want instant success but I seriously doubt Meyer will pay any attention to those...

JohnnyHopkins · May 13, 2021

Sure, let's give props to the bullet riddled carcass that is the Dallas Cowboys for dodging Urban Myer!

LACowboysFan1 · May 13, 2021

JohnnyHopkins said:
Sure, let's give props to the bullet riddled carcass that is the Dallas Cowboys for dodging Urban Myer!

I wouldn't have wanted Meyer, if for no other reason than his health issues. Would hate for him to come to Dallas and set up the team part way then have to quit for health reasons before we got the benefit of his skill (if it did transfer from college to the NFL) and win a SB....

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