The 2020 defense was bad

Captain-Crash · Jun 23, 2021

hum the defense was only bad for the first four weeks. What do the first four weeks have in common? Why did the defense get better with a quarterback change? Why did washed-up Dalton win more games than statsprescott? Were all of Daltons wins, lucky watermelon kickoffs?

MichaelWinicki · Jun 23, 2021

Benching folks can be so painless...

Cebrin · Jun 23, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
The defense was bad, but 9 other teams gave up more yards then us, 11 other teams gave up more first downs, TWENTY ONE more teams gave up more passing yards, 1 other team gave up more rushing yards, 14 other teams had more defensive penalties, and 4 other teams gave up more points.

So how exactly was the defense "historically bad" when it wasn't last in anything meaningful? It was just a bad defense, but not historically bad. The 2020 defense is not a defense we can make any deep run with, but still yet, not a historically bad defense.

Run defense 100%. If that gets 40% better we'll be better. Nevertheless, a lot has changed this year too. Who knows what's going to roll out? Everyone thought losing our top DB was going to make us trash, and despite injuries we still held up there. Though when your rush defense is as bad as it was it is possible those numbers are where they are due to teams saying "Why pass?"

MountaineerCowboy · Jun 23, 2021

Cebrin said:
Run defense 100%. If that gets 40% better we'll be better. Nevertheless, a lot has changed this year too. Who knows what's going to roll out? Everyone thought losing our top DB was going to make us trash, and despite injuries we still held up there. Though when your rush defense is as bad as it was it is possible those numbers are where they are due to teams saying "Why pass?"

As bad as our rush defense was it still wasn't the worst in the league. That's all I am saying here. Yes, we had a very bad defense, but I would think to be "historically bad" like some claim you would need to literally be the worst of all time in some kind of significant category. We wasn't even the worst in the league, let alone of all time, in any significant category.

Ranching · Jun 23, 2021

Verdict said:
The 2020 defense was bad, that’s a reality and a fact. Based on statistics, it was historically bad. So why say anything good about the defense?

I don’t think the defense was a bad as it looked on paper last year. There were parts that were historically bad. But never underestimate how poor coaching can make a team look a lot worse than the talent in the defense suggests it is.

I think the defense added some legitimate players this off-season, at bargain basement prices. Bargain basement prices do not necessarily mean that the player can’t play. The guys who came in are, in some cases, an improvement over who left.

This was a defense oriented draft. Lots of new faces on the defense. If we drafted well there is a reasonable likelihood that we will get improved play from the rookie defenders.

I really believe that the defense played so poorly last year in part due to coaching. Quinn doesn’t have to bring dominant coaching here to improve the defense, he just needs to not suck. That will be better than anything we have had at DC since probably Zimmer, and he was nothing special.

Yep

Ranching · Jun 23, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
The defense was bad, but 9 other teams gave up more yards then us, 11 other teams gave up more first downs, TWENTY ONE more teams gave up more passing yards, 1 other team gave up more rushing yards, 14 other teams had more defensive penalties, and 4 other teams gave up more points.

So how exactly was the defense "historically bad" when it wasn't last in anything meaningful? It was just a bad defense, but not historically bad. The 2020 defense is not a defense we can make any deep run with, but still yet, not a historically bad defense.

Ranching · Jun 23, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
See, this is where you deserve to be lambasted all over the board. You have literally been told 2 times by me that the historically bad part was the first 4 games of the year. Is is that you cant read or you simply arent smart enough to understand what I am saying?

Do they play football in West Virginia?

Ranching · Jun 23, 2021

MichaelWinicki said:
Benching folks can be so painless...

I know, I've been benched many times, cause Garrett Sucks.....lol

big dog cowboy · Jun 23, 2021

Verdict said:
The 2020 defense was bad, that’s a reality and a fact. Based on statistics, it was historically bad.

New coaching staff plus no offseason really killed the Cowboys right from the beginning. They finally did start playing better 3/4ths of the way through the season but it was clear the defensive coaching staff didn't have the team prepared to play.

This season will be totally different. In every aspect. We just have to hope the results on the field are dramatically improved or this years team will be doomed also.

Cowpolk · Jun 23, 2021

big dog cowboy said:
New coaching staff plus no offseason really killed the Cowboys right from the beginning. They finally did start playing better 3/4ths of the way through the season but it was clear the defensive coaching staff didn't have the team prepared to play.

This season will be totally different. In every aspect. We just have to hope the results on the field are dramatically improved or this years team will be doomed also.

The entire team will be better this season

DandyDon52 · Jun 23, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
I was told by MountaineerCowboy that the defense was bad because the offense scored too quickly. He actually said it was the offenses fault that the defense was as bad as it was. True story!

He is partly right.
Scoring too quickly with some long pass plays, takes little time off the clock and puts a tired defense back on the field.
The other teams offense is still in a groove , so they are more likely to do well against the tired defense.

Going on a long drive is the opposite, your defense has plenty of time to rest up, and talk about adjustments etc.
Also the other teams offense gets cold sitting on the sideline.

Long drives also chew up more clock thus shortening the game ,and giving both teams fewer possessions.
The 2014 and 16 dallas teams had more long drives than in recent years, as they had a good run attack and fewer
quick scores. They usually dominated TOP.

The long drives do need to end with a score, preferably TD's.

It can help your defense if the other team has a potent offense, by giving them less possessions, and making them
sit on sidelines for long periods of time.

Also 3 and outs really hurt your defense, even if you dont score it is better to move the ball for 2-3 first downs
so the defense can rest, and for the field position advantage.

I have seen dallas go 3 and out and only take like 45 seconds off the clock lol, that is really bad, and hard on a defense.

That being said, our defense last year had other issues too, and some of it was just bad coaching on off and def.

I just watched the cleveland game again, and the defense was doing ok , dallas led 14 to 7, then the offense screwed
up on 3 possessions in a row.
first dak got strip sacked gave cleve a short field and they scored 14-14 then 2nd on elliot fumbles , and another short field, clev scores again 21-14 then 3rd dallas goes 3 and out lol cleve gets good field positon and drives for another score
against a defense that only had a short time to rest, and then clev scores again.

So the offense was to blame there, but if you just look at stats you think it was all the defense's fault.

DoctorChicken · Jun 23, 2021

Captain-Crash said:
hum the defense was only bad for the first four weeks. What do the first four weeks have in common? Why did the defense get better with a quarterback change? Why did washed-up Dalton win more games than statsprescott? Were all of Daltons wins, lucky watermelon kickoffs?

I think you need to be checked for OCD or something bro. Dak seems to be on your mind quite obsessively.

DandyDon52 · Jun 23, 2021

Captain-Crash said:
with that bad defense, Dalton had to be a superstar to win games.
Dak could only win one with a one-in-a-million watermelon kick.

it is about coaching and game plans too.
When dallas played seattle, both teams had a defense that was allowing a lot of points, same in atlanta game.
But the difference in the seattle game was wilson hit his guys on the deep passes , and dak didnt do as good as wilson.
The atlanta game dallas couldnt do much until they were way behind. They should have lost that one too
.
They also had too many 3 and outs, and too many turnovers .
So it was not all on the defense.

JoeKing · Jun 23, 2021

It's in the past and best left there and never look back.

JBond · Jun 23, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
I provided you stone cold numbers.

You don't have to accept them, that's your choice, but you'd think a so called "historically bad" defense would at least be the worst in the NFL at something meaningful.

We're all the defenses that put up worse numbers last year also historically bad?

Can you and Roy stop pissing on each other shoes? Both are good people and add value to the forum.

TwoCentPlain · Jun 23, 2021

stiletto said:
You do know the Defense got lucky and played terrible offenses later in the season like the 49ers, Eagles, Bengals, Giants right? It wasn't like the Defense turned any corner. They were beyond terrible all year and got lucky they ran into equally inept offenses.

You do know the defense was real unlucky to play against some good offenses the first 4 games. Rams, Seahawks who were smoking hot at the time, Atlanta, and Cleveland. Those are some high powered offenses. The defense got hit with LVE going out game 1 and Awuzie out game 2(?), and Brown was out the first few games. And Gregory was out the first 6 games. That is 4 starters out to basically start the year. The offense didn’t help the defense the first few games with turnovers and slow starts.

Give me LVE, Awuzie, Brown, and Gregory and an offense not turning the ball over and scoring early and I think the defense does much better and wins a few of those games.

Jipper · Jun 23, 2021

Captain-Crash said:
hum the defense was only bad for the first four weeks. What do the first four weeks have in common? Why did the defense get better with a quarterback change? Why did washed-up Dalton win more games than statsprescott? Were all of Daltons wins, lucky watermelon kickoffs?

You do realize it was a new dc who tried to install a new system without an in person off-season or preseason right? Don’t you think that aspect would lead to taking time to develop? Regardless of who the qb was the defense was going to have massive growing pains to start the year.

stiletto · Jun 23, 2021

ninja said:
You do know the defense was real unlucky to play against some good offenses the first 4 games. Rams, Seahawks who were smoking hot at the time, Atlanta, and Cleveland. Those are some high powered offenses. The defense got hit with LVE going out game 1 and Awuzie out game 2(?), and Brown was out the first few games. And Gregory was out the first 6 games. That is 4 starters out to basically start the year. The offense didn’t help the defense the first few games with turnovers and slow starts.

Give me LVE, Awuzie, Brown, and Gregory and an offense not turning the ball over and scoring early and I think the defense does much better and wins a few of those games.

Lipstick on a pig dressing.... none of the teams they face were Elite offenses at the start. We're talking Goff ...ok but he made them look terrible, everyone knows that was a joke. Wilson was probably laughing, So what., I don't see how any of you can defend that raggedy sorry assed defense last year. It was an embarassment. I'd understand if they were you "special kid" that you had to protect but this sheltering is lame.

john van brocklin · Jun 24, 2021

Verdict said:
The 2020 defense was bad, that’s a reality and a fact. Based on statistics, it was historically bad. So why say anything good about the defense?

I don’t think the defense was a bad as it looked on paper last year. There were parts that were historically bad. But never underestimate how poor coaching can make a team look a lot worse than the talent in the defense suggests it is.

I think the defense added some legitimate players this off-season, at bargain basement prices. Bargain basement prices do not necessarily mean that the player can’t play. The guys who came in are, in some cases, an improvement over who left.

This was a defense oriented draft. Lots of new faces on the defense. If we drafted well there is a reasonable likelihood that we will get improved play from the rookie defenders.

I really believe that the defense played so poorly last year in part due to coaching. Quinn doesn’t have to bring dominant coaching here to improve the defense, he just needs to not suck. That will be better than anything we have had at DC since probably Zimmer, and he was nothing special.

Yep the dumpster fire defense

john van brocklin · Jun 24, 2021

john van brocklin said:
Yep the dumpster fire defense

Not to be confused with the Doomsday defense

The 2020 defense was bad

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