Twitter: Dez documentary on the Cowboys 2014 season

JBS said:

The rule being ridiculous is absolutely not irrelevant. It's football. That's a catch. There is a reason thats a catch in today's game. Bc that rule is stupid.

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It is irrelevant. It was what it was at the time and it had to be adhered to by us and every other team in the league. Some think the overtime rules are dumb but if you find yourself in overtime, guess what; you'll have to play by those rules you knew about going into the game to give yourself a chance to win. Same thing. Thinking it's dumb doesn't get you out of playing by the rules at the time. Think they're dumb, petition the competition committee for changes. You wouldn't have thought it was dumb if you were a Green Bay fan. CONSPIRACY! would be the word for them if it wasn't overturned.

I HATE LOOKING AT THAT VIDEO

fansince68 said:

I HATE LOOKING AT THAT VIDEO

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Here's a better one. Same play, but with a happy ending (... that's what Robert Kraft said).

Lutonio said:

It was the correct application of an awful rule. It would have been a catch the very next season after they adjusted it.

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They actually didn't adjust the nature of the rule until 3 years later.

MarcusRock said:

He did not swipe.

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exactly, he just pounded him... von miller would have chopped his right arm down right on top of rodgers right arm as he hit him and that ball would have been out. and he it him in upper back/shoulder area.... yea a great sack, and we still lost because he wasnt thinking bigger. He was just happy to have the sack.

john van brocklin said:

We couldn't stop Rodgers, so it's a mute point.

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blah blah blah... you got a crystal ball?

Dez caught it, but Dean Blandino needed to rule against it to show that he really wasn't beholden to the Jones boys for letting him party with hookers earlier that year in the Jones Family Rumpus Bus. FACT!!!

I think he caught it but i also know there were 4 minutes left on the clock and the defense sucked. I also know Beasley was wide open underneath. I also know Murray coughed it up. I think people want so badly for Romo to get that shot and that was it. I was pissed we didn't get the call but i also feel it would have been temporary joy. Aaron with 4 minutes left only needing a field goal. We have seen that story before at least with Beasley underneath we could hva ran some more time off the closk before we scored. Oh and the green Bay line was proficient at holding back then

Football is a game of inches

Reid1boys said:

blah blah blah... you got a crystal ball?

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No but my eyes saw the game.

------green Bay line was proficient at holding back then

Back then??? They still teach the grab up high and inside technique.

MarcusRock said:

After this is where fans then go back to arguing for a football move.

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Thanks...

The stupidity of not just securing the ball can not be understated. Secure the catch, score the TD or be a donkey. Those are your 3 options. As usual our boy chose to be the donkey.

MarcusRock said:

Again, people just don't know the rule. When you're going to the ground, none of what you say matters unless he were able to execute a proper lunge. He did not. The only thing that could have saved him on the play as it was is if he kept the ball off the ground. He did not. He would have been able to juggle it 50 times so long as he eventually repossessed it. And the rule was actually changed after the Jesse James play against New England in the playoffs a few years later. Same rule application and outcry. That's what got people to work on it. But that won't make headlines around here the way victimhood will.

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This is where you are completely wrong. You just said it yourself, "if he made a proper lunge".. the REF on the field, said he did. He was the closest person, it was his call. The REF on the field, saw possession, 3 steps and a football move, thus a catch. What they did and you by proxy are defining "football move" after the fact based on slow motion. Even Dean B said on a broadcast after the game that it was a football move, but in their "opinion" not enough of a football move, which is what you just said as well. That was not the not rule, if a football move was made, which there is no denying that one was, then it was a catch, per the rule. There is zero, nada, no way to argue any other way. They got it wrong simply because of the call the week before in Detroit and the heat they took for picking up the flag. I 100% guarantee you if that call was not made, that would have been ruled a catch, plain and simple. it really is sickening how they manipulate the game these days.

john van brocklin said:

We couldn't stop Rodgers, so it's a mute point.

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This play changes the identity of this team. We should have made this play but not making it changed how the sort viewed the team.

john van brocklin said:

No but my eyes saw the game.

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I saw the game as well... how were we not down by 20 at that point of the game since the Pack couldnt be stopped? Did they score on every possession?

MyFairLady said:

The stupidity of not just securing the ball can not be understated. Secure the catch, score the TD or be a donkey. Those are your 3 options. As usual our boy chose to be the donkey.

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This is true. I don't understand why your getting so much flack for simply stating what should be obvious.

That was Dez, though. Situational awareness was a problem for him throughout his career.

Cowboy4ever said:

This is where you are completely wrong. You just said it yourself, "if he made a proper lunge".. the REF on the field, said he did. He was the closest person, it was his call. The REF on the field, saw possession, 3 steps and a football move, thus a catch. What they did and you by proxy are defining "football move" after the fact based on slow motion. Even Dean B said on a broadcast after the game that it was a football move, but in their "opinion" not enough of a football move, which is what you just said as well. That was not the not rule, if a football move was made, which there is no denying that one was, then it was a catch, per the rule. There is zero, nada, no way to argue any other way. They got it wrong simply because of the call the week before in Detroit and the heat they took for picking up the flag. I 100% guarantee you if that call was not made, that would have been ruled a catch, plain and simple. it really is sickening how they manipulate the game these days.

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Okay, Tinfoil. Here is where you did exactly what I said as you quoted my post. You don't know the rule. At that time, 3 steps was nowhere in the rule nor did it matter because once the Going to the Ground" rule was applied, none of that other catch stuff matters, except if he executed a proper lunge, and he has to maintain possession of the ball thru contacting the ground while the ball also doesn't touch the ground. If you also paid attention to what Steratore and the rest said about the overturn, they said that upon replay they clearly saw the ball touch the ground before it came loose and was repossessed, meaning it wasn't ruled it had touched by the ref. The ref on the field was shielded from seeing the ball touch the ground which is clearly seen on the below reverse angle picture. Replay had this too because I took this from my own video. Again, replay did its job.

And football move is a judgement call, just like applying the going to the ground rule. If people don't deem a lunge "enough" of one then it didn't meet the judgement standard and wasn't one. Same with holding or PI or roughing the passer. It's clear that was not like a proper lunge where someone is able to gather themselves and leap (which replay folks also said), especially since Dez' 3rd step was a slip on the turf. He was going down the entire time and he didn't execute a lunge to break that momentum so it's one motion and you gotta keep the ball off the ground and maintain possession. He didn't. This ain't rocket science unless you HAVE to see it the other way to get what you want. Life's not like that though. Either deal with reality or live in safe fantasyland. I choose the former.

If you watch the replay from the angle where Dez and the defender are coming at the camera, the knee of Dez collides with the defender's leg.

The subsequent going to the ground then requires Dez hang onto the ball when it touches the ground. The ball moved - clearly shown in the video - thus he did not control the ball to the ground.

This site has argued against the rules since the play happened. This site has been wrong. I hated the results, but the truth is this was not a catch. You cannot argue the continuation because he got feet down. Those two steps were broken down as this. First step begins the football move. Second step is the collision, sending Dez toward the ground. His push-off to the endzone does not negate the continuation rule. Once continuation was in play, the ball hitting the ground and moving out of his cradled arm and control makes this not a catch.

It is there on the video.

Reid1boys said:

I saw the game as well... how were we not down by 20 at that point of the game since the Pack couldnt be stopped? Did they score on every possession?

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They were moving the ball at will at the end of the game.

MarcusRock said:

They actually didn't adjust the nature of the rule until 3 years later.

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Man, it felt like such a faster turnaround. Maybe I’m just remembering the discussion starting around then.