All in For This Season = Trade Future Picks for Vet D Playmaker?

conner01 · Sep 29, 2021

Eanwen said:
So generally speaking I don't like the idea of trading picks for players. The Cooper trade did work in our favor though.

I wasn't keen on some of the trade possibilities people were tossing around during preseason, but now I'm coming around because:

1. the Cowboys are almost certainly headed to the playoffs.

2. the Cowboys are almost certainly not as good as the Bucs or the Rams.

Sure I believe the Cowboys can beat either of them, but IMO those two teams (and maybe GB, but I haven't seen enough of them to be sure) are better. However I don't think the Cowboys are that far off.

I think if I were in the FO I'd seriously consider trading for an elite defensive player, assuming there's one to be had. I don't know if I'd want to part with more than a 1st and a 2nd but given the possibility of losing guys like Gallup to free agency I'm willing to part with some future draft capital to improve the defense, even if it means only a short term (1 or 2 year) rental of a great player.

There is not one player you could draft for that makes you that much better
We played the Bucs and was in the game till the end
We don’t have the cap space for a true impact defensive player even on a two year rental
And the fact we do draft pretty well compared to the league I’d rather have the picks
This is still a very young team overall and I don’t want to see it blown up in a year or two trying to buy a super bowl team which rarely works

Stash · Sep 29, 2021

CowboysWillRise said:
Yet every year the cap goes up. It's an exaggeration to say we can't make a move. When we start losing players we actually want to retain I'll buy in. That or when someone like AdamJt tells me we are screwed. Until then I'm not overly concerned.

In any event it's silly to argue over a hypothetical signing which we both know damn well isn't going to happen in any universe, cap or no cap.

You should check out the cap numbers at Spotrac.

Stash · Sep 29, 2021

Eanwen said:
I get the cap argument but the very fact the Cowboys may lose players next year (and I think we'd have a hard time replacing them any time soon, let alone improving other positions) is the very reason I posited this question.

An interesting way to look at it but I see it as digging the hole deeper.

SlammedZero · Sep 29, 2021

My initial reaction is to stay put and that we can make it work.

On second thought, assuming somebody worth is out there dangling in front of us, could it be worth it? A player that could really invigorate this defense? It could.

This season has a positive feeling to it and, so far, both our coordinators seem to be getting the most out of these units. If this continues, what are the chances both Moore and Quiin are poached from this team? And then we lose certain players to FA. Feels like a step back. If we could bring somebody in to really help put this season into overdrive, why not pull the trigger? Obviously I'm not talking about some crazy/stupid Roy Williams type trade but maybe a fair trade for somebody that could actually be worthwhile on this team.

Shannon1 · Sep 29, 2021

The Natural said:
Definitely not giving up a 1st or a 2nd. There's too many guys set to come back that can help the defense to give up that kind of capital.

Your just like the Jones ,look what the rams have done trading 1 st round picks they are know the best team in the league

Yoshimitsu · Sep 29, 2021

I was watching film of Grady Jarrett from the falcons. Hes a good DT that interests me.

CWR · Sep 29, 2021

stasheroo said:
You should check out the cap numbers at Spotrac.

But have you played with it? Have you looked at restructures, business decisions, the TV contract, and who we need to re-sign in the next 2-3 seasons? A majority of our core is signed up for the next handful of seasons.

There is so much context it would take me hours to understand all of our options and have even a semi accurate appraisal of where we are.

I think where we hurt on the cap is resigning guys like Gallup and Pollard, as well as the players who achieve on ONE year prove it deals.

Despite all that if we continue to draft well and pay our own I believe we will be alright. There is so much fluidity and creative licensing to managing the cap I can't buy into the cap hell argument at this point. Certainly not without further context.

jay94 · Sep 29, 2021

I would wait for near trade line unless you can get a steal. One thing people don't consider waiting for the future for some teams, that future never comes. It's so premature at this point in time, but we could definitely be looking to upgrade CB, C, and DT, also DE with the length of the injury. I get Bossman comes back later, but one he's a rookie and two, we will likely have another CB injury by the time he comes back. If we look strong at the trade deadline, I'm for going for it, we haven't won anything for 25+ years, and it is clear, both the Bucs and Rams are ahead of us. I think it would also be a toss up with the Niners or Packers, and Packers get the nod, because Rodgers kills us.

Stash · Sep 29, 2021

CowboysWillRise said:
But have you played with it? Have you looked at restructures, business decisions, the TV contract, and who we need to re-sign in the next 2-3 seasons? A majority of our core is signed up for the next handful of seasons.

I have. And last time I checked, we’re $20 million-plus over next year’s cap. Before we even THINK of signing anyone.

There is so much context it would take me hours to understand all of our options and have even a semi accurate appraisal of where we are.

I think where we hurt on the cap is resigning guys like Gallup and Pollard, as well as the players who achieve on ONE year prove it deals.

Despite all that if we continue to draft well and pay our own I believe we will be alright. There is so much fluidity and creative licensing to managing the cap I can't buy into the cap hell argument at this point. Certainly not without further context.

A quick look and the math says $20 million over , that tells me it’s not good. And unfortunately there are several quality players hitting free agency next year that we can’t afford to keep.

The Natural · Sep 29, 2021

Shannon1 said:
Your just like the Jones ,look what the rams have done trading 1 st round picks they are know the best team in the league

How the hell am I “just like the Jones” you nut. What championship have the Rams won?

CWR · Sep 29, 2021

stasheroo said:
I have. And last time I checked, we’re $20 million-plus over next year’s cap. Before we even THINK of signing anyone.

A quick look and the math says $20 million over , that tells me it’s not good. And unfortunately there are several quality players hitting free agency next year that we can’t afford to keep.

No, its not good to be 20 million over, but we aren't cutting any foundation pieces. Gallup is awesome, but a luxury we cant afford. Which is why I've advocated trading him. The biggest threat is losing our one year deals from this season. You are probably right about that. If we lose Kearse, Neal, Kazee, and Hooker it's going to suck. We never intended on keeping them all, but it would be nice to retain one or two. It's similar to Robert Quin. Some of those guys we should've attempted longer deals on, like Kearse for example.

Still, we have most of our talent either signed up long term or multiple years away from expiring.

I will wait to see who can be extended, take pay cuts or flat out cut because they aren't returning value.

Besides Gallup, what other quality hits do you anticipate taking? I like your posts and agree most of the time, so please don't read this as argumentative or inflammatory. That's not my intention. I'm working my way through our cap as we speak.

Stash · Sep 29, 2021

CowboysWillRise said:
No, its not good to be 20 million over, but we aren't cutting any foundation pieces. Gallup is awesome, but a luxury we cant afford. Which is why I've advocated trading him. The biggest threat is losing our one year deals from this season. You are probably right about that. If we lose Kearse, Neal, Kazee, and Hooker it's going to suck. We never intended on keeping them all, but it would be nice to retain one or two. It's similar to Robert Quin. Some of those guys we should've attempted longer deals on, like Kearse for example.

Still, we have most of our talent either signed up long term or multiple years away from expiring.

I will wait to see who can be extended, take pay cuts or flat out cut because they aren't returning value.

Besides Gallup, what other quality hits do you anticipate taking? I like your posts and agree most of the time, so please don't read this as argumentative or inflammatory. That's not my intention. I'm working my way through our cap as we speak.

Not at all, thanks for your kind words actually, they’re much appreciated.

The first two big ‘money savers’ I see are first and foremost Jaylon Smith. They can and will get out of that deal. The other is far less palatable - Amari Cooper. By trading or cutting him, they can save a ton and really get their cap in order quickly.

But it bums me out that I see basically the entire 2018 draft leaving in free agency because we won’t be able to afford them. Along with Gregory and the other one year names you mentioned.

That’s a lot of talent to lose in one year no matter how well we’ve drafted.

CWR · Sep 29, 2021

stasheroo said:
Not at all, thanks for your kind words actually, they’re much appreciated.

The first two big ‘money savers’ I see are first and foremost Jaylon Smith. They can and will get out of that deal. The other is far less palatable - Amari Cooper. By trading or cutting him, they can save a ton and really get their cap in order quickly.

But it bums me out that I see basically the entire 2018 draft leaving in free agency because we won’t be able to afford them. Along with Gregory and the other one year names you mentioned.

That’s a lot of talent to lose in one year no matter how well we’ve drafted.

I'll be shocked if Coop is a cap casualty. I think if that's the case we will retain Gallup. I dont know how to feel about that. As much as I love Gallup, I think Coop is fantastic. If we lose both these guys I'll be livid. If we loose Coop I'm gonna be real leary.

Gregory is interesting, and to be honest I expect after all that has happened he signs a team friendly deal. At this point we need to see him put together a full season of production though.

BTW, LVE is another one who may be gone. It's going to be interesting. Hopefully they can gauge where the value is and find a way to keep those. If not I'll be right there with you, late but present.

Big_D · Sep 29, 2021

This is young team shaping up nicely through the draft. “Win now” is fools gold when you have a group developing to compete over the long haul. Trading picks makes no sense at this point considering how well they have drafted the past 2 years. Finally there is a legit window about to open and the win now Jerry mentality is the quickest way to close it.

Stash · Sep 29, 2021

CowboysWillRise said:
I'll be shocked if Coop is a cap casualty. I think if that's the case we will retain Gallup. I dont know how to feel about that. As much as I love Gallup, I think Coop is fantastic. If we lose both these guys I'll be livid. If we loose Coop I'm gonna be real leary.

I don’t want to lose anyone, but moving on from Cooper gets the cap straightened out in a hurry. I think the team can ‘manage’ with Lamb as the #1 and either Wilson or Brown or both back at a much lower cost. And they see something they like in Fehoko as well.

Gregory is interesting, and to be honest I expect after all that has happened he signs a team friendly deal. At this point we need to see him put together a full season of production though.

I agree but I’m not sure if even team friendly would work.

BTW, LVE is another one who may be gone. It's going to be interesting. Hopefully they can gauge where the value is and find a way to keep those. If not I'll be right there with you, late but present.

I put LVE alongside Smith in the ‘goner’ list. I think it’s why they drafted Parsons AND Cox, and why Gifford and Bernard are still around. They anticipate the turnover after this season.

waving monkey · Sep 30, 2021

Eanwen said:
I get the cap argument but the very fact the Cowboys may lose players next year (and I think we'd have a hard time replacing them any time soon, let alone improving other positions) is the very reason I posited this question.

OK Im going to reconsider. We have something going here. Maybe its all the uber praise coming via media that has made me even more delusional but I can see JJ the ring master getting trophy eyes if we keep playing at a high level and going after somebody. We'll see just saying its in the range of possibilities

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