Dirty truth about NFL and their Penalties

Dallasfann said:

Cowboys can lose every game in a season and still be rating kings. They could care less if they win games.

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This may be heresy but I didn't bother to watch the game yesterday. My wife couldn't believe it.

Zekeats said:

It's just a way to control a game for control of money!

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I stopped here.

My question is why would anyone follow the sport if they actually believed that? Second question, if Dallas won yesterday would this thread even exist?

TheHerd said:

Just as many, or more, want to see us lose, so as long as there is controversy around the Star the NFL is happy.

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If that were true networks would want to show cowboys games even when there losing and that just doesn't happen.

daboyzruleperiod said:

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It has gotten to the point where if the league isn't embarrassed, then there is no hope. I am talking strictly roughing the passer calls. You can't play a game if you don't know the rules. Any contact to the QB can and has been called roughing the passer. It's like an umpire with no defined strike zone. Do these refs no know what roughing the passer is?

daboyzruleperiod said:

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Where’s that idiot to defend this horrific call?

Nav22 said:

Yeah, no.

You’re talking as if all 32 teams could equally be screwed like this.

Not so. The Dallas Cowboys are #1 in the NFL in penalty yards against. We’ve lost 2 games this year that were a direct result of GARBAGE calls. Our QB has 2 rushing TDs on QB sneaks and wasn’t given credit for either of them. We’ve lost our last 2 season openers thanks to HORRIFIC calls that went against us late.

The other 31 teams don’t have to deal with anywhere close to this level of pure garbage.

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Oh no.. we lost to the second most penalized team in the NFL by 2 penalties and the only reason we eclipsed them in yards is because if Anthony Brown’s clear PIs.

I mean the very team we played yesterday would have clearly be evidence against the fact other teams don’t put up with this garbage. I guess they also didn’t get screwed when the NFL leaked private emails of their HC and essentially made him resign..

I guess the Chargers weren’t robbed against us either..

Mr_C said:

Where’s that idiot to defend this horrific call?

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Actually looking at it, they probably called it based on the actual HAND to the helmet of Carr, when Parsons swipes down.

There’s no conspiracy. Just a bunch of biased old guys that have no business being on the field in a young man’s game.

They routinely get calls wrong. With us there’s often some extra weird calls that stand out. Carr falling into a leg is another example. Multiple pi’s that were non existent or questionable at best? That’s normal at this point, but 4 with 3 really bad ones??? Come on.

You can’t be that consistently bad without bias. It’s very rare for a team to have a legit complaint with refs in our games.

Worst calls I ever seen in my life

28 flags!!!

Zekeats said:

Seriously. The first one was a slight grab on the turn and then he defended the pass. Well played and the WR wasn't even looking for a flag.
The second one to me was the worst one out of all of these BS PI calls. Has his head turned and DJax is holding him off with his arm fully extended the whole time. That is 100% not a penalty. Great coverage.
The third one was PI or couldve been a holding call.
The forth one was not good coverage at all. We've all seen this play a ton of times though where there was no contact made and the ball his the defender by chance and it's incomplete. That was a terrible call at the biggest point in the game.

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the one in the endzone was very ticky tacky...in fact it could have been called on the WR, since Brown was turned around, looking for the ball and playing the ball....at that point he is like a WR. he was playing the ball. that last one, he didn't touch the reciever until the reciever reached around his head. Brown's mistake was he knew the ball was coming, as he threw his hands out. all he had to do was turn his head, as if he is playing the ball. that shouldn't be called.

the refs were way too visible in this game....someone please let them know, the game is not about them. its about the players. we don't pay to watch them. we pay to watch the players....

khiladi said:

Actually looking at it, they probably called it based on the actual HAND to the helmet of Carr, when Parsons swipes down.

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Yeah. I saw that too, but come on. He was swiping and can’t control Carr falling. That wasn’t a real hit to the face. Parsons is going forward and reaching as Carr is diving/falling FORWARD head first.

It was a really bad impactful call.

sunalsorises said:

The second one was terrible. There was contact on the third one but the receiver never made a play for the ball. I miss when the ball had to be catchable to draw the flag. Of course, there were two kinds of PI back then as well. I hate the way PI is now.

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Yep, the second one was terrible. The only one that wasn't PI in my opinion. Brown has to keep his hands off of the WR. Or at least not make it obvious. Diggs or Everson Walls picks off that 3rd and 18 pass.

Mr_C said:

Yeah. I saw that too, but come on. He was swiping and can’t control Carr falling. That wasn’t a real hit to the face.

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I’m not saying it’s right, we don’t know what the basis for the refs to call it was. The fact Romo and Nance said it was the knee doesn’t mean the refs saw if like that. They could have done it for that swipe, which makes it more justifiable, because you can’t do that. We’ve seen countless calls in the pocket where the band hits the helmet of the QB and it’s called.

Flamma said:

Yep, the second one was terrible. The only one that wasn't PI in my opinion. Brown has to keep his hands off of the WR. Or at least not make it obvious. Diggs or Everson Walls picks off that 3rd and 18 pass.

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Your allowed to put your hands on the WR, as long as it isn’t affecting the play. For example, DBs can put their hands on the hips to swipe at the ball, as long as they don’t turn the receiver.

This is exactly how the DBs defender Schultz on the last two throws to him, where some of the posters on this forum were trying to claim it was PI.

khiladi said:

Your allowed to put your hands on the WR, as long as it isn’t affecting the play. For example, DBs can put their hands on the hips to swipe at the ball, as long as they don’t turn the receiver.

This is exactly how the DBs defender Schultz on the last two throws to him, where some of the posters on this forum were trying to claim it was PI.

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Ok, but besides the 2nd call in the video, do you think any of the other 3 were bad calls? Forget that the ball was uncatchable, because they rarely call that.

The first one was clear holding.

The second one, he held his arm down and locked it. That’s not an extended arm to keep Brown away by Jackson, that’s an arm trying to go up for the ball, with Jackson eying the ball the whole time. He has every right to make a play on the ball, while Brown isn’t even looking, while locking his arm up.

Two important points here:

1) The NFL is about money and, by extension, viewership.

2) Tom Landry wanted to reject the “America’s Team” moniker.

He wanted to reject it because he knew it would put a target on the back of the franchise forevermore. Yes, the Cowboys have more fans than anyone else. They also have more people who hate them and love seeing them lose than anyone else, more than they have fans.

The NFL knows this. You ever notice how all the bad breaks and suspect officiating occurs in nationally televised games? The NFL puts the Cowboys in positions in which they’ll likely lose because it’s the outcome most NFL fans want, meaning more viewership, meaning more money.

If the game is close at all, the Cowboys have the odds stacked against them. And I don’t know that Jerry cares, to be honest. He’s still in the spotlight. He’s still making money hand over fist. We the Cowboys fans get screwed over.

The Cowboys might make the playoffs, but the league will drop them as soon as it can create controversy and headlines.

In the end, the Super Bowl is going to be Brady vs Belichick because the NFL has been milking those cows for thirty years. It only changes if you stop watching. How likely is that?

Zekeats said:

It's just a way to control a game for control of money! First off NFL penalties are for egregious acts/penalties. Now think about this a coach could challenge a catch, a fumble a yardage mark, etc because a ref screwed up but they can't challenge a flag that the ref screwed up on. Why is that? It's so they could control the outcome of games for their gambling buddies. It has been this way forever. They let you think that they've given you options to get a play corrected but they'll never ever let you challenge penalties for a reason.

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If the games are rigged or influenced by the refs for nefarious reasons why hasn’t there been one, just one, referee in the last 50 years who has blown the whistle on this? The issue isn’t corruption it’s incompetence. They have a very difficult job but do we really want 25 referees? Do we really want every play being reviewed by a crew of people 1500 miles away watching a monitor?

The third was a clear holding, especially considering Brown grabbed the back of Jackson’s jersey, because Brown knew he was beat. That’s not even disputable.

And the fourth was also a PI, because he made contact and didn’t even look at the ball. Hell, it was similar to the third one even before the PI was called, where he was grabbing the jersey again.

If anything, on the fourth INT, he was a little lucky, because Carr under threw it, otherwise it would have been even clearer that it was PI. The WR had him beat as well.

Cowboys generate the most viewership of any team in the NFL. This happens consistently,

Wanting then to lose negates a fundamental point, which is, when they lose the viewership goes down. It also means less games in the play-offs.

if anything, the Cowboys winning generates more revenue.

The only logical argument as far as revenue is concerned is in regards to revenue sharing of merchandise, which Dallas doesn’t do, because Jerry negotiated it. The Cowboys keep the revenue while the rest of the league shares it.