CFZ Truth that fans need to accept

atlantacowboy said:

Jerry cares about one thing now. His legacy and he knows he is the only common denominator linking 26 years of futility. He just doesn't see himself as the problem.

The real psychosis is that Jerry has convinced himself that he was an integral part of building those super bowl teams and he is hellbent on proving it to a world that gives Jimmy Johnson most all of the credit. This is why Jerry refuses to shine any light on Jimmy Johnson unless prodded. Its a sore spot b/c the facts and reality don't align with what he believes in his delusional mind.

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Outstanding truthful post.

MyFairLady said:

I felt the exact same way. I was blown away and super excited. Then it quickly went back to what is has always been. For me Collins getting his job back was a pretty big red flag. A clear sign that reliability and accountability were no longer a priority.

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Steele was one of the lowest graded tackles in the NFL. Accountability and health are not the same. When he is playing La El is one is one the best right tackles in the NFL and his contract is a bargain.

SwensonDC said:

No respectable head coach wants to work here because he makes decisions about who plays and then holds the head coach at fault when it doesn't work.

Who wants to work in a situation like that? He definitely wants to win a Superbowl, but he's delusional about how he hurts the team. He simply doesn't see it and he's extremely stubborn.

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You know this how? Where's the proof?

blueblood70 said:

gets your head out of the clouds/!

manlive that's a fact , fans believe they know what's going on and in fact don't.

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I don't understand your reply.

blueblood70 said:

Jerry didn't make the OL not play well get over it if you don't like it, dont follow them anymore. he actually fielded a team that should have shot at the SB after that its not on him.


BTW Shanahan has sub 500 RS record with the 9ers i imagine how well that goes over here..

its simple we lost this game and that the only one that matters not what happed a decade to 2 decades ago, not at all..that narrative is for bandwagon fans who only support the team when they win. there's no hostage like atmosphere for real fans of all sports teams we simply treat each year as new year..cheer and how for th best and reset each year,

its a choice. no ones being brainwashed its spots, you make a conscious choice to be fan and hardcore fans are lifelong fans no matter how their team is playing. you have choice to not come here and complain and call out fans and the ownership and all things cowboys but you do,. Sorry im not coming over to your toxic side. if it's that hard to be Cowboy fan GO AWAY. go be 9er fans or pick the flavor of the month team that easier to cheer for.

we lost by 6 points to 9ers because of our mistakes, imagine half those penalties we win by 10 easily. We were the better team and i still feel like that but made far too many mistakes.

too bad dak can't block and tackle himself or make those grown azz OL not hold and get 14 penalties in playoff game. I mean its all him.. right get the pluck over it haters. it was easy to see the Offensive line torpedo this game and add the DL getting 3 offsides penalties i mean hard to win against equal talent when you make the big mistakes all game. hard to play 1st and 20 every series when the other teams playing 1st and 10..thats a reality, when they dont hold they aren't blocking well and daks running for his life.

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How many GM's get to keep their job for 25 years with a 3-10 playoff record and without a single trip to a conference championship game, much less a Super Bowl?

Yes, Jerry is responsible for the O-line not playing well. He hired the coaches that were responsible for making sure they were disciplined, cohesive and effective. He was responsible for the talent that was drafted or obtained through free agency. He is responsible for a sensible salary cap structure.

Jerry Jones made himself the GM, nobody told him he couldn't give the job to somebody with experience and credentials. He made that decision, he made every decision, remember? He's in charge of socks and jocks?

Nobody has a right to determine whether someone has the right to be a Cowboys fan. There certainly isn't the requirement that we possess this unconditional acceptance of this team's performance. When we care about something so much, there is almost an obligation to express concern in the hopes that we, as a group, will be heard.

To put it more practically, Jerry is selling an entertainment product that is below the standards that is considered acceptable over a very long interval. I am the customer and I have every right to bring that to his attention. If I sold a faulty product or service then the customers would certainly let me know of their dissatisfaction.

Jerry certainly wants to make sure he's around a microphone when the Cowboys look good. However, as a GM, he must be the first to be held accountable for the results of this team. That's the job. It doesn't even matter that if he had applied for the position on any other NFL team he would have been laughed out of the building..

dckid said:

Jerry does not care bout winning another Super Bowl.

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This is absolutely not true. Jerry wants to win a Super Bowl as bad as you could imagine. The whole problem, and this is not breaking news, is that Jerry wants to win a Super Bowl in which he made all the decisions…to satisfy his ego…prove to the world he did not have someone like Jimmy Johnson to do it for him. If he was seriously satisfied with those three Super Bowls, he would have hired a real GM decades ago and enjoyed being a successful owner, but here we are.

The BILLION dollar question is what changes when his kids officially take over. I really believe this team will never win again until a real GM is brought in and allowed to do their thing. Not focus on sales, marketing, etc. Just focus on building a complete team.

MyFairLady said:

You guys and your Bill Parcells legends. That guy came in here took a big fat retirement package from jerry and promptly quit on the team. Never won a playoff game had a .500 record. Lets stop pretending that his tenure was any different than any one else since Jimmy cause it wasn't.

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He built the team that Wade Phillips has success with, which was a very good team . Parcells put a toughness in those team that hasn’t been repeated since.

plasticman said:

How many GM's get to keep their job for 25 years with a 3-10 playoff record and without a single trip to a conference championship game, much less a Super Bowl?

Yes, Jerry is responsible for the O-line not playing well. He hired the coaches that were responsible for making sure they were disciplined, cohesive and effective. He was responsible for the talent that was drafted or obtained through free agency. He is responsible for a sensible salary cap structure.

Jerry Jones made himself the GM, nobody told him he couldn't give the job to somebody with experience and credentials. He made that decision, he made every decision, remember? He's in charge of socks and jocks?

Nobody has a right to determine whether someone has the right to be a Cowboys fan. There certainly isn't the requirement that we possess this unconditional acceptance of this team's performance. When we care about something so much, there is almost an obligation to express concern in the hopes that we, as a group, will be heard.

To put it more practically, Jerry is selling an entertainment product that is below the standards that is considered acceptable over a very long interval. I am the customer and I have every right to bring that to his attention. If I sold a faulty product or service then the customers would certainly let me know of their dissatisfaction.

Jerry certainly wants to make sure he's around a microphone when the Cowboys look good. However, as a GM, he must be the first to be held accountable for the results of this team. That's the job. It doesn't even matter that if he had applied for the position on any other NFL team he would have been laughed out of the building..

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Tell 'em Plastic.
I occasionally call them fanhood bouncers that are regulating your optimism card at the CZ door to the club.

They are a pretty forceful My opinion is right and yours is wrong bunch. At least in their own minds they are.

Throw in the obligatory you should root for another team and hater/troll nicknames and that pretty much sums it up.

dckid said:

. There is a mass psychosis that has happened to the Cowboys fanbase over the past quarter century. The late 80's I understand, those were Tom Landry's last days. The Bears, SF, & NFC east were just better. Pelluer, Hogeboom, White, aging team. They needed a hard reset and Jimmy is the one to come in a flip over the table and start from scratch.

Jerry has done a great job of capturing a good part of the fanbase under his Stockholm syndrome. How can anyone call us Americas team? What have we done over the past quarter century to justify that? Romo, Dak, Ware, memorable playoff collapses? We have not even made a championship game since January 1996, when the world was till pushing AOL, Windows 1995 commercials with the rolling stones, OS2 Warp IBM ads.

This is a disgrace of an organization, the only thing different from the Lions or the WFT is really the logo and history. This is a failed organization, most of you will disagree with me. Jerry does not care bout winning another Super Bowl. He has three SB's, he is a HOF'r, he has nothing to prove. He doesn't care about paying, Dak, Zeke, Romo, Cooper, Ware, Tank, Witten, you name the player. There is so much cashflow with the Cowboys he has to spend it. It's like you and I going to get milk at the grocery store. Winning the SB or even building a real contender is like priority 10 when he comes to the office. He just wants to be relevant. Once fans realize this and stop supporting this nonsense is the only way this ends. We need the fanbase to stop showing up at games. It won't hurt his pocket at all, but it will cause embarrassment.

There is almost nothing the fans can do that will make Jerry lose money, maybe not show up for a whole season, but the game theory behind that will never work. He has a flywheel effect for the Cowboys. Fans are desperate for a winner, they keep thinking we are one player, one good draft, one referee missed call away.

Jerry learned from Campo, that he cannot go 5-11, 4-12 type seasons. He always wants to be in the 7-10 win category, which is why he never fired JG. Because 8-8 is good enough to excite ESPN, FS1, play for a playoff spot on Sunday Night.

When will you people wake up? It's not changing until Jerry capitulates and hires a real coach who will come in a change the culture. If that happens within 2-3 years we are in a championship game. The talent is good enough in this organization.

Just imagine if we had McVay or Kyle Shanahan, do we beat the 49ers? It's a simple question that Jerry should be asking. To me it's as plain as the nose on my face.

Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool.

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Exactly

MyFairLady said:

You guys and your Bill Parcells legends. That guy came in here took a big fat retirement package from jerry and promptly quit on the team. Never won a playoff game had a .500 record. Lets stop pretending that his tenure was any different than any one else since Jimmy cause it wasn't.

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Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson were highly successful coaches with a background in defense. Both had been former DC,s, Landry in the NFL, Jimmy in college.

And yet, as a Cowboys HC, neither fielded a team whose defense was ranked #1 in both points allowed and yardage allowed.

In fact, despite his background in defense, Tom Landry's Cowboys were ranked #1 in both categories offensively three times and so this season marks the 4th time for this to occur..

The Cowboys have never been ranked #1 in both categories defensively. Landry, Jimmy, and Switzer came very close. However, none came closer than a Bill Parcells Cowboys team. They were ranked #2 in points allowed and #1 in yardage allowed.

The year was 2003, Bill's first season as a Cowboys Head Coach.

Now here is the irony. Parcells was a 3-4 guru but he didn't join the Cowboys in time for their draft and free agency and he recognized the players were mostly incompatible for a 3-4. That type of defense requires big strong LB'ers that move in to make almost all the tackles and even sacks. The defense is composed of two DE's that behave more like DT's and also a NT, a big wide body whose job it is to get in the way.

Now, with LB's like Dexter Coakley and Dat Nguyen, the Cowboys had one of the smaller LBers core in the NFL. In the middle of the D-line you had 285 pound La'Roi Glover. He was a very good but smallish DT. He was no Haloti Ngata.

So Parcells, who used the 3-4 to perfection with the Giants, took a 4-3 defense and made it the best in the NFL that season as well as the best in Cowboys history.

In modern NFL history there have been only two quarterbacks that were truly "groomed', who were successful after being a "project". The rest of them typically get thrown in way too early and fail.

What I mean is that there are two QB'S in NFL history that never threw a single pass in their first two seasons only to become a future starter for at least one full season. They both had the same Head Coach, Bill Parcells.

One of those quarterbacks was Tony Romo. The other one started for the Giants and started in Super Bowl 25. That was Jeff Hostetler..

This is not legend but can easily form the basis for legendary status.

Bill Parcells didn't quit. He worked for the length of his contract and left because he knew he couldn't build the team and culture he wanted because Jerry went back on his agreement and began interfering in anticipation of their success. He brought in players that were completely contrary to Parcells philosophy.

Bill wanted the challenge, he knew he would succeed. He just didn't anticipate that the greatest obstacle would be the team owner.

BrAinPaiNt said:

He did not hire Bill Parcells because of a half full stadium.

Bill was the one that actually initiated the Idea.
Someone was talking about Jerry and Bill said he could work with a guy like Jerry because he felt Jerry cares about the team. Which led to them two getting together.

The main thing however was the money.

Jerry was trying to get his NEW stadium and Bill was just coming off a divorce that cost him.

Back to what I said.

If the money is right...a coach will come here.

If people think someone would turn down the HC of the Cowboys because of Jerry...they are wrong. They would take it because Jerry will spend the money if he wants them.

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Yeah it was Chris Mortensen, Chris started laughing cuz he thought it was a joke but then Tuna said he was serious. Chris then relayed that to Jerry and boom Parcells became the coach. I believe they were working at ESPN together when that conversation took place. Chris Mortensen will always be one of my favorites cuz of that.

fivetwos said:

Right, and that particular coach can't be a backup QB with no prior coaching experience.

It has to be someone whose name alone catches the attention of the players.

And Jerry will NEVER have it. He fired both HOF coaches he had and embraces guys like McCarthy and Garrett.

His ego won't allow a real coach.

A real coach won't allow the owner divulging info to the media constantly.

So....this is what we get.

I seriously think Dan Quinn is the only decent football mind to coach here in decades and he is all but gone.

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Well, he didn't fire Parcells. Parcells retired. But I do agree with you on the rest. Jones is the guy who thinks that every hand he's dealt at the card table is the best one. Aikman alluded to this in a 90s quip about Jones constantly pumping up every draft pick that came into the building. It seems that with him, everything that glitters is gold and nothing else. That is why he was so quick to promote Garrett and Moore...why he got rolled on Prescott...why he doles out the monster contracts that cause salary cap issues.

It doesn't matter who the coach or QB is lmao

This team is trying to emulate the 90's cowboys not build a new culture

Football is about innovation and change and building a scheme around the talent ya have

But we're focussed on trying to make the players win with an outdated never changing scheme.

You can't run the same dogship predictable vanilla scheme that hasnt won squat in 25 years and expect a different result.

Pigs will fly before this dink and dunk predictable non scoring checkdown te led scheme will win a playoff game. Not without a Stud receiving te. Yall are delusional

If we know most all the playcalls and tendencies based upon the personnel groups before the snap you'd think the 150 million dollar defense defending it might also. Js

dckid said:

When will you people wake up? It's not changing until Jerry capitulates and hires a real coach who will come in a change the culture. If that happens within 2-3 years we are in a championship game. The talent is good enough in this organization.

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lol it's not changing until Jerry dies.

When your dinking and dunking to a skilled player who has no gamechanging or winning attributes (our tes for 20 years) that means the defense has your playmakers covered and forcing ya to beat them w a nongamechanger

When our tes catch 8 passes a game but none when it matters it's a Loss everytime. We need deep threat and red zone scoring tes. Not these checkdowners possession receiving tes who can't make the plays when it matters

This past year I changed my approach as a fan. It has worked well.

- I don't watch games live. If the Cowboys don't show up to play...I don't not show up to watch. I didn't bother even watching the recording of several games. It's also great to skip the commercials.
- I acquired a pigskin mistress. I have my wife, the Cowboys. But I now have a lover/mistress, the L.A. Chargers
- I also picked a couple of other teams of interest


Fan loyalty is stupid. Jerry shows nothing but contempt for fans. He is a manipulator car salesman. The players are self-absorbed. I owe him and this team *nothing*...if anything I owe them divorce papers.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

I agree with your assessment. one thing to note, the problem and I have said this for 10 years now is Jerry the GM vs. Jerry the Owner....Jerry the GM wants to win a superbowl bad. Jerry the owner wants to win a superbowl....but when it comes to making decisions that are football over money, Jerry the Owner over rules Jerry the GM. all his moves are about making money, not about football, because in football sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to succeed. he is not willing to do that....it was evident for all of us, when Jerry said he had Johnny Manziel card in his hands, before they stopped him and took Martin....Jerry the Owner was thinking I can sell a 100,000 jersey's.....full preseason stadium......the problem is he makes too many decisions that way. he plays fantasy football in his head and can't admit he doesn't really know football.

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At this point Johnny football would be more entertaining.

T-RO said:

This past year I changed my approach as a fan. It has worked well.

- I don't watch games live. If the Cowboys don't show up to play...I don't not show up to watch. I didn't bother even watching the recording of several games. It's also great to skip the commercials.
- I acquired a pigskin mistress. I have my wife, the Cowboys. But I now have a lover/mistress, the L.A. Chargers
- I also picked a couple of other teams of interest


Fan loyalty is stupid. Jerry shows nothing but contempt for fans. He is a manipulator car salesman. The players are self-absorbed. I owe him and this team *nothing*...if anything I owe them divorce papers.

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Man, the thing I got out of this was you chose the Cowboys of the AFC, bad kicker, bumbling game management. Over the past 15-20 years very similar to Dallas.. only they went to a championship game in 2007.

plasticman said:

How many GM's get to keep their job for 25 years with a 3-10 playoff record and without a single trip to a conference championship game, much less a Super Bowl?

Yes, Jerry is responsible for the O-line not playing well. He hired the coaches that were responsible for making sure they were disciplined, cohesive and effective. He was responsible for the talent that was drafted or obtained through free agency. He is responsible for a sensible salary cap structure.

Jerry Jones made himself the GM, nobody told him he couldn't give the job to somebody with experience and credentials. He made that decision, he made every decision, remember? He's in charge of socks and jocks?

Nobody has a right to determine whether someone has the right to be a Cowboys fan. There certainly isn't the requirement that we possess this unconditional acceptance of this team's performance. When we care about something so much, there is almost an obligation to express concern in the hopes that we, as a group, will be heard.

To put it more practically, Jerry is selling an entertainment product that is below the standards that is considered acceptable over a very long interval. I am the customer and I have every right to bring that to his attention. If I sold a faulty product or service then the customers would certainly let me know of their dissatisfaction.

Jerry certainly wants to make sure he's around a microphone when the Cowboys look good. However, as a GM, he must be the first to be held accountable for the results of this team. That's the job. It doesn't even matter that if he had applied for the position on any other NFL team he would have been laughed out of the building..

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LMAO not even reading past gm and 25years same busted azz narrative. Jerrys not the gm Mcclay is and jerry given up so much power where the things Mcclay doesn't do , other do, and hes s simply a figure head the last 5-10 years fans wont let it go and admit its just happenstance. jerry just lies to be seen and heard but really isn't make the decisions anymore for 90% of what goes on at the ranch,

Jerry, the FO, Mcclay cant make an OL block better and keep them from making bad plays as they couldnt when crayton had bad game or when murray fumbled baily missed 2 fgs, and the dez no catch rulings etc no more then romo fumbling a FG hold etc etc these teams were chock ful of talent and players didnt execute and worse not only didn't they do their job they also then added insult to injury by having record amount of penalties.

the FO can control that..its not one player its the entire groups and its all over the team. its up to the players themselves to dig down deeper and simply stop finding ways to destroy games.

Jerrys made many mistakes post jimmy but these big games let downs on teams full of talent is not on him.

foofighters said:

It really comes down to one person. Jimmy Johnson. For all the love they shared back then, after those Championships, I would bet that Jerry started to hate Jimmy. All the of the spotlight was on Jimmy. Jerry couldn't stand that. Jerry needs attention; he craves it. So Jerry is going to die proving that those Championships were a result of Jerry more than Jimmy. I believe it's really that simple. It's his ego.

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Every year that passes proves that those Championships were the result of Jimmy. We all know it and deep down Jerry does to. He is just trying to prove it wrong. That has to be the most frustrating thing for Jerry.