CFZ Truth that fans need to accept

[blueblood70]

What a dumb arse post. The people on this site are here because they’re real fans and trying to imply they aren’t because they are frustrated after 26 years of bull crap is ridiculous.

Climb down from your ivory fan tower and get a grip.

NO 10-20 used to be fans , sure and no longer are but come here to troll..it happens say it doesn't and ill say you are clueless.

 

[TwoDeep3]

There is a great deal of bull manure passed off as truth here in this thread.

The off season disappointment rears its ugly head here at the Zone by vitriol and falsehoods.

Jerry wanted to build a stadium in Downtown Dallas. Laura Miller was the mayor at that time. A former journalist with The Dallas Observer, she was one of those watch dog, got cha journalists who won the spot of mayor.

She played hardball with Jerry and stood firm on not being partners with building the stadium. Arlington stepped in.

Jerry paid back every dime Arlington put into the stadium long ago. Along with all the events hosted, including the Super Bowl, Arlington loves the relationship with Jerry.

Miller was ousted. Which is a shame because Jerry was proposing using land in and around the Trinity river bottom to create the stadium. The action that would have created would have rejuvenated Dallas' downtown area. Merged with what is now the Bishops Art district the Oak Cliff side of the Trinity would make a vast upgrade.

Mark Cuban has bought land and is trying to get out of the American Airlines Center in or near where Jerry proposed. Cuban is the NBA's version of Jerry Jones.

To suggest no one would build the stadium applies only because Lara Miller was mayor. Any foresighted politician could have seen the windfall this city would have enjoyed with Jerry moving to downtown.

Miller's excuse was it would hurt the Cotton Bowl at Fair Park. That relic should have been bull dozed two decades ago.

 

[J_Allen]

True....
But, many fans, myself included, credits Jimmy Johnson for those three super bowls. Jerry wants to win one for himself. Then he can say "I am a legitimate football man.".

Jimmy was 100% responsible for all three super bowls.

 

[J_Allen]

Jerry wanted to build a stadium in Downtown Dallas. Laura Miller was the mayor at that time. A former journalist with The Dallas Observer, she was one of those watch dog, got cha journalists who won the spot of mayor.

She played hardball with Jerry and stood firm on not being partners with building the stadium. Arlington stepped in.

Jerry paid back every dime Arlington put into the stadium long ago. Along with all the events hosted, including the Super Bowl, Arlington loves the relationship with Jerry.

Miller was ousted. Which is a shame because Jerry was proposing using land in and around the Trinity river bottom to create the stadium. The action that would have created would have rejuvenated Dallas' downtown area. Merged with what is now the Bishops Art district the Oak Cliff side of the Trinity would make a vast upgrade.

Mark Cuban has bought land and is trying to get out of the American Airlines Center in or near where Jerry proposed. Cuban is the NBA's version of Jerry Jones.

To suggest no one would build the stadium applies only because Lara Miller was mayor. Any foresighted politician could have seen the windfall this city would have enjoyed with Jerry moving to downtown.

Miller's excuse was it would hurt the Cotton Bowl at Fair Park. That relic should have been bull dozed two decades ago.

This is one of the most interesting posts I have ever read here. Thanks for the info. It's a shame he didn't build it in dallas.

 

[Jake]

. There is a mass psychosis that has happened to the Cowboys fanbase over the past quarter century. The late 80's I understand, those were Tom Landry's last days. The Bears, SF, & NFC east were just better. Pelluer, Hogeboom, White, aging team. They needed a hard reset and Jimmy is the one to come in a flip over the table and start from scratch.

Jerry has done a great job of capturing a good part of the fanbase under his Stockholm syndrome. How can anyone call us Americas team? What have we done over the past quarter century to justify that? Romo, Dak, Ware, memorable playoff collapses? We have not even made a championship game since January 1996, when the world was till pushing AOL, Windows 1995 commercials with the rolling stones, OS2 Warp IBM ads.

This is a disgrace of an organization, the only thing different from the Lions or the WFT is really the logo and history. This is a failed organization, most of you will disagree with me. Jerry does not care bout winning another Super Bowl. He has three SB's, he is a HOF'r, he has nothing to prove. He doesn't care about paying, Dak, Zeke, Romo, Cooper, Ware, Tank, Witten, you name the player. There is so much cashflow with the Cowboys he has to spend it. It's like you and I going to get milk at the grocery store. Winning the SB or even building a real contender is like priority 10 when he comes to the office. He just wants to be relevant. Once fans realize this and stop supporting this nonsense is the only way this ends. We need the fanbase to stop showing up at games. It won't hurt his pocket at all, but it will cause embarrassment.

There is almost nothing the fans can do that will make Jerry lose money, maybe not show up for a whole season, but the game theory behind that will never work. He has a flywheel effect for the Cowboys. Fans are desperate for a winner, they keep thinking we are one player, one good draft, one referee missed call away.

Jerry learned from Campo, that he cannot go 5-11, 4-12 type seasons. He always wants to be in the 7-10 win category, which is why he never fired JG. Because 8-8 is good enough to excite ESPN, FS1, play for a playoff spot on Sunday Night.

When will you people wake up? It's not changing until Jerry capitulates and hires a real coach who will come in a change the culture. If that happens within 2-3 years we are in a championship game. The talent is good enough in this organization.

Just imagine if we had McVay or Kyle Shanahan, do we beat the 49ers? It's a simple question that Jerry should be asking. To me it's as plain as the nose on my face.
Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool.

Preaching to the choir, which is adding new members.

 

[BBGTYCOON]

. There is a mass psychosis that has happened to the Cowboys fanbase over the past quarter century. The late 80's I understand, those were Tom Landry's last days. The Bears, SF, & NFC east were just better. Pelluer, Hogeboom, White, aging team. They needed a hard reset and Jimmy is the one to come in a flip over the table and start from scratch.

Jerry has done a great job of capturing a good part of the fanbase under his Stockholm syndrome. How can anyone call us Americas team? What have we done over the past quarter century to justify that? Romo, Dak, Ware, memorable playoff collapses? We have not even made a championship game since January 1996, when the world was till pushing AOL, Windows 1995 commercials with the rolling stones, OS2 Warp IBM ads.

This is a disgrace of an organization, the only thing different from the Lions or the WFT is really the logo and history. This is a failed organization, most of you will disagree with me. Jerry does not care bout winning another Super Bowl. He has three SB's, he is a HOF'r, he has nothing to prove. He doesn't care about paying, Dak, Zeke, Romo, Cooper, Ware, Tank, Witten, you name the player. There is so much cashflow with the Cowboys he has to spend it. It's like you and I going to get milk at the grocery store. Winning the SB or even building a real contender is like priority 10 when he comes to the office. He just wants to be relevant. Once fans realize this and stop supporting this nonsense is the only way this ends. We need the fanbase to stop showing up at games. It won't hurt his pocket at all, but it will cause embarrassment.

There is almost nothing the fans can do that will make Jerry lose money, maybe not show up for a whole season, but the game theory behind that will never work. He has a flywheel effect for the Cowboys. Fans are desperate for a winner, they keep thinking we are one player, one good draft, one referee missed call away.

Jerry learned from Campo, that he cannot go 5-11, 4-12 type seasons. He always wants to be in the 7-10 win category, which is why he never fired JG. Because 8-8 is good enough to excite ESPN, FS1, play for a playoff spot on Sunday Night.

When will you people wake up? It's not changing until Jerry capitulates and hires a real coach who will come in a change the culture. If that happens within 2-3 years we are in a championship game. The talent is good enough in this organization.

Just imagine if we had McVay or Kyle Shanahan, do we beat the 49ers? It's a simple question that Jerry should be asking. To me it's as plain as the nose on my face.
Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool.

 

[J_Allen]

You guys and your Bill Parcells legends. That guy came in here took a big fat retirement package from jerry and promptly quit on the team. Never won a playoff game had a .500 record. Lets stop pretending that his tenure was any different than any one else since Jimmy cause it wasn't.

That's not true at all. We went 5 and 11 three straight years before parcells. He rebuilt the roster and changed the culture. I think we had a record number of pro bowlers this season after his retirement.

 

[J_Allen]

For someone has had 24K plus posts, this is very incoherent... And I am not one to say as I tend to ramble quite a bit.
The point you seem to be missing is the lack of results over 25 years plus. What don't you understand about that? The acceptance of mediocrity!
Yes life goes on, we are all Cowboys fans through the great and awful seasons. I mean why do we rant on these boards if we were not??

His posts in his thread are very bizarre.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

He did not hire Bill Parcells because of a half full stadium.

Bill was the one that actually initiated the Idea.
Someone was talking about Jerry and Bill said he could work with a guy like Jerry because he felt Jerry cares about the team. Which led to them two getting together.

The main thing however was the money.

Jerry was trying to get his NEW stadium and Bill was just coming off a divorce that cost him.

Back to what I said.

If the money is right...a coach will come here.

If people think someone would turn down the HC of the Cowboys because of Jerry...they are wrong. They would take it because Jerry will spend the money if he wants them.

"If the money is right" would mean Jerry wants him.....Jerry does not want someone who will overshadow or make him look weak....so the money is never going to be right or even an offer made. Only an inexperienced coach or a HC who is desperate to get back into the NFL would take the devil's offer.

 

[BBGTYCOON]

^ this is why Jerry can keep selling us a **** sandwich.

12 and 5 means nothing if you have another early exit in the playoffs.

We have three playoff wins in the last 26 years. You have fun with that 12 and 5 record.

^ this is why Jerry can keep selling us a **** sandwich.

12 and 5 means nothing if you have another early exit in the playoffs.

We have three playoff wins in the last 26 years. You have fun with that 12 and 5 record.

Ain't spent a penny on the Cowboys since 2007.....our fan base should do the same but they're too gullible.

 

[J_Allen]

Ain't spent a penny on the Cowboys since 2007.....our fan base should do the same but they're too gullible.

No, you're going to buy that **** sandwich and you're going to eat every bit of it. That's what real fans do...

 

[BBGTYCOON]

BP, I agree with your premise about a good coach coming here if the price was right. But the real obstacle for that happening is the fear Jerry carries at all times. He fears that a strong HC would build a strong, accountable culture that creates wins and then all his gloriously craved credit would go to that coach.

It’s crazy to think that this multi-billionaire with the power to hire the very best coach around has this deep psychological insecurity that won’t allow anyone to threaten his perceived power. It’s pathetic.

The only recourse for us is to completely stop spending money on the cowboys, spread the word.

 

[ESisback]

. There is a mass psychosis that has happened to the Cowboys fanbase over the past quarter century. The late 80's I understand, those were Tom Landry's last days. The Bears, SF, & NFC east were just better. Pelluer, Hogeboom, White, aging team. They needed a hard reset and Jimmy is the one to come in a flip over the table and start from scratch.

Jerry has done a great job of capturing a good part of the fanbase under his Stockholm syndrome. How can anyone call us Americas team? What have we done over the past quarter century to justify that? Romo, Dak, Ware, memorable playoff collapses? We have not even made a championship game since January 1996, when the world was till pushing AOL, Windows 1995 commercials with the rolling stones, OS2 Warp IBM ads.

This is a disgrace of an organization, the only thing different from the Lions or the WFT is really the logo and history. This is a failed organization, most of you will disagree with me. Jerry does not care bout winning another Super Bowl. He has three SB's, he is a HOF'r, he has nothing to prove. He doesn't care about paying, Dak, Zeke, Romo, Cooper, Ware, Tank, Witten, you name the player. There is so much cashflow with the Cowboys he has to spend it. It's like you and I going to get milk at the grocery store. Winning the SB or even building a real contender is like priority 10 when he comes to the office. He just wants to be relevant. Once fans realize this and stop supporting this nonsense is the only way this ends. We need the fanbase to stop showing up at games. It won't hurt his pocket at all, but it will cause embarrassment.

There is almost nothing the fans can do that will make Jerry lose money, maybe not show up for a whole season, but the game theory behind that will never work. He has a flywheel effect for the Cowboys. Fans are desperate for a winner, they keep thinking we are one player, one good draft, one referee missed call away.

Jerry learned from Campo, that he cannot go 5-11, 4-12 type seasons. He always wants to be in the 7-10 win category, which is why he never fired JG. Because 8-8 is good enough to excite ESPN, FS1, play for a playoff spot on Sunday Night.

When will you people wake up? It's not changing until Jerry capitulates and hires a real coach who will come in a change the culture. If that happens within 2-3 years we are in a championship game. The talent is good enough in this organization.

Just imagine if we had McVay or Kyle Shanahan, do we beat the 49ers? It's a simple question that Jerry should be asking. To me it's as plain as the nose on my face.
Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool.

Leaving? Good luck!✊

 

[J_Allen]

The only recourse for us is to completely stop spending money on the cowboys, spread the word.

We literally say that every year after the last game.

It is the only way to hurt him. Nothing would hurt his ego more than a half full Stadium. It's what we need to do.

No way in hell am I spending my hard-earned money to go watch this ****. If he had a regular Stadium it would be half full. Nobody would go to that crap. He knows with a nice Stadium it will always attract fans, no matter the record.

 

[CouchCoach]

Jerry wanted to build a stadium in Downtown Dallas. Laura Miller was the mayor at that time. A former journalist with The Dallas Observer, she was one of those watch dog, got cha journalists who won the spot of mayor.

She played hardball with Jerry and stood firm on not being partners with building the stadium. Arlington stepped in.

Jerry paid back every dime Arlington put into the stadium long ago. Along with all the events hosted, including the Super Bowl, Arlington loves the relationship with Jerry.

Miller was ousted. Which is a shame because Jerry was proposing using land in and around the Trinity river bottom to create the stadium. The action that would have created would have rejuvenated Dallas' downtown area. Merged with what is now the Bishops Art district the Oak Cliff side of the Trinity would make a vast upgrade.

Mark Cuban has bought land and is trying to get out of the American Airlines Center in or near where Jerry proposed. Cuban is the NBA's version of Jerry Jones.

To suggest no one would build the stadium applies only because Lara Miller was mayor. Any foresighted politician could have seen the windfall this city would have enjoyed with Jerry moving to downtown.

Miller's excuse was it would hurt the Cotton Bowl at Fair Park. That relic should have been bull dozed two decades ago.

Miller was also feuding with the city council at that time. She was one of the most unlikable people to ever hold office in Dallas. Went out of her way to irritate people.

it wasn’t long after that debacle that one entire side of the Cotton Bowl’s bathrooms went out during the game and people were walking across the back of the end zones to go to the bathroom.

 

[Bullflop]

The Dallas Cowboys' problems begin and end with the poor football management of their front office. They're simply too incompetent in the matters of managing an NFL professional football team. It's been that way since the last days of Jimmy Johnson as their acting GM. Jerry and son, Stephen simply don't have the pro football expertise to help them to win another Super Bowl. Jerry Jones still owns the title of GM but just doesn't own the capacity to handle the football end of the job capably enough to reach a SB level of play. It's too bad that his pride won't allow him to divest himself of the GM title.

 

[BBGTYCOON]

That's exactly what it was... Jerry is still waiting on the 500 coaches to take him to a Super Bowl.
That owners meeting in 1994 where Jimmy left out Jerry in a toast is what the sliding door moment that is still killing this organization. Jerry believes he is the reason for the Cowboy success.
The media actually gave Jerry a lot of crap for the first 10 years but they eventually forgot and just realized the Cowboys winning has nothing to do with the NFL success. IF they are relevant that is great. They got Manning and Brady, Pack. The league is too big and powerful for any one organization like the Cowboys to matter. The league just lets Jerry do his thing. No serious football executive thinks the Cowboys are a perennial contender. You would have to be an idiot to believe that.

 

[dckid]

That's not true at all. We went 5 and 11 three straight years before parcells. He rebuilt the roster and changed the culture. I think we had a record number of pro bowlers this season after his retirement.

The thing is not many people remember what finally made Jerry Capitulate... please remember this.
It was the opening game for the Texans franchise in 2002. David Carr beat us 19-10, I remember like it was yesterday. It was the first time I remember a QB wearing his wedding ring in a game. The announcers pointed it out.
I remember Parcells in a interview after becoming coach in 2003, where he said.. He actually felt bad for Jerry Jones after that loss. It took a bottom feeder moment for Jerry to finally give in and hire a football coach. Do I agree with Parcells on everything no? I thought he was past his prime, he was too conservative, he should have coached up Romo a bit more, should have accepted TO, and I wish he would have chosen to leave before Payton agreed to the Saints job.

 

[dckid]

Jimmy was 100% responsible for all three super bowls.

When fans realize this our problem will be solved. Until Jerry is held responsible nothing will change.

 

[Creeper]

. There is a mass psychosis that has happened to the Cowboys fanbase over the past quarter century. The late 80's I understand, those were Tom Landry's last days. The Bears, SF, & NFC east were just better. Pelluer, Hogeboom, White, aging team. They needed a hard reset and Jimmy is the one to come in a flip over the table and start from scratch.

Jerry has done a great job of capturing a good part of the fanbase under his Stockholm syndrome. How can anyone call us Americas team? What have we done over the past quarter century to justify that? Romo, Dak, Ware, memorable playoff collapses? We have not even made a championship game since January 1996, when the world was till pushing AOL, Windows 1995 commercials with the rolling stones, OS2 Warp IBM ads.

This is a disgrace of an organization, the only thing different from the Lions or the WFT is really the logo and history. This is a failed organization, most of you will disagree with me. Jerry does not care bout winning another Super Bowl. He has three SB's, he is a HOF'r, he has nothing to prove. He doesn't care about paying, Dak, Zeke, Romo, Cooper, Ware, Tank, Witten, you name the player. There is so much cashflow with the Cowboys he has to spend it. It's like you and I going to get milk at the grocery store. Winning the SB or even building a real contender is like priority 10 when he comes to the office. He just wants to be relevant. Once fans realize this and stop supporting this nonsense is the only way this ends. We need the fanbase to stop showing up at games. It won't hurt his pocket at all, but it will cause embarrassment.

There is almost nothing the fans can do that will make Jerry lose money, maybe not show up for a whole season, but the game theory behind that will never work. He has a flywheel effect for the Cowboys. Fans are desperate for a winner, they keep thinking we are one player, one good draft, one referee missed call away.

Jerry learned from Campo, that he cannot go 5-11, 4-12 type seasons. He always wants to be in the 7-10 win category, which is why he never fired JG. Because 8-8 is good enough to excite ESPN, FS1, play for a playoff spot on Sunday Night.

When will you people wake up? It's not changing until Jerry capitulates and hires a real coach who will come in a change the culture. If that happens within 2-3 years we are in a championship game. The talent is good enough in this organization.

Just imagine if we had McVay or Kyle Shanahan, do we beat the 49ers? It's a simple question that Jerry should be asking. To me it's as plain as the nose on my face.
Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool.

Buried in this are a few good points. This is Jerry's team and he will run it his way. But to say Jerry doesn't want to win I think is not correct. Being the consummate marketer, of course Jerry wants to win a Super Bowl. First I am sure even Jerry has enough pride to realize losing every year makes him look bad. He has a big ego, and big egos do not like to look bad. Second, imagine how much fun Jerry could have holding the Lombardi trophy again. He could squeeze so much money and publicity out of that it would make his current exploits look like kids play. Jerry wants to win a Super Bowl, but he has a problem and it is also named Jerry. I have used this analogy before, and it still fits. Jerry bought a shiny new racing car and he wants to win the race. But he wants to win it with himself behind the wheel.

The problem is, Jerry's way of doing things have not produced a winner in 26 years. At this point I think there is enough evidence to conclude Jerry's way of doing things does not work. Jerry drafts his players, then in the cases where they produce a little he overpays them to retain them. He has to because he will not sign free agents from other teams because he thinks they are overpaid. Never understood his logic. He will overpay Demarcus Lawrence, but not a better player who is a free agent? Free Agency can be a very useful tool in a GMs tool box, but Jerry has removed it permanently. Its like fighting with 1 arm tied behind your back.

Jerry is also the owner and he refuses to hold himself accountable for the failures of the team. We all know this, but if the Cowboys actually had a real GM who lost for 26 years he would have been fired a long time ago.

This year we saw some things we have not seen in the past. For one, they let Jaylon Smith go. I never thought I was see that again since Jimmy Johnson left. They also benched Connor Williams after he committed more holding penalties. Unfortunately the alternative was so bad they had to put Williams back in the starting lineup. But at least they took action where action was needed. Maybe these are good signs.

On the other hand they continued to allow Zurlein to miss FGs and EPs so who knows. Maybe Jerry allowed McCarthy his two disciplinary moves and then cut him off.