Dak's TD totals: good teams vs bad teams

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You should talk. The fact is that when your losing 23-7 with 12 minutes left in the game, the defense trades yards for clock. They back off and tackle in bounds. This is super basic stuff which I'm not surprised has to be be explained to you.

What I love is all the Dak fanboys who are trying to disprove that Dak is a loser with math. lol
Math? You're piling on one player vs. 53. And your "garbage time" mess, also dumb.
 

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I dont need anything explained to me, child. You think all teams always go into prevent, lol??? Go look AZI game you referenced. We were down 8 points at the start of the fourth. They were not playing pReVeNt dEfEnSe.

This right before the biggest play in the 4th, drive which resulted in a TD. Look at the Prevent Defense alignment. Super basic stuff.

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Nice how you conveniently trimmed out any information identifying the quarter and score. We were down 22-7 at the start of the 4th quarter bonehead.
 

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Nice how you conveniently trimmed out any information identifying the quarter and score. We were down 22-7 at the start of the 4th quarter bonehead.

this is the Arizona game, genius. You can tell by bird on the helmet. You know, the one you said Dak was stat padding against prevent. Right before the C. Wilson trick play.
 

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This only has context if you show me the average for other QBs. Don’t be a PFF…
 

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This only has context if you show me the average for other QBs. Don’t be a PFF…

Here is about the best context you can get. 2 QBs against common opponents, good sample size. Make of it what you will.

2021 Season: Dak Prescott vs Tom Brady - Common opponents (9 games)

Brady
249/368 | 68% completion | 2504 yards | 16 TDs | 6 Ints | 94.8 rating | 7 wins - 2 losses

DAK
214/305 | 70% completion | 2430 yards | 23 TDs | 5 Ints | 112.8 rating | 9 wins - 0 losses

and before some extremist says it: no, I do not think Dak is a better QB than Brady.
 

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I love how people just automatically assume defenses are playing prevent in the 4th quarter without, you know, looking at what defenses they were actually playing.

Lol IQ football analysis.
Thank you for showing us the evidence he was wrong.
 

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Dak doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore. He’s the leader and the highest paid player on the team. He’s gonna take most of the blame.
 

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Dak doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore. He’s the leader and the highest paid player on the team. He’s gonna take most of the blame.

lol, he hasn't had the benefit of the doubt from this fanbase since his rookie year.

He get no absolution from me, though--he does need to improve. The hyperbole concerning him is just ridiculous.
 

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Difference makers don't "need a little help"
really why is rogers, brady,. allen, and others sitting at home? they all needed a little MORE help. its a team game

stop being a delusional and clueless fan to the sport of football total team game.

dak didn't get penalized 14 times, dak didn't miss blocks, dak didn't create the lack OF A RUN GAME, , Dak didn't miss FGS, Dak didn't drop passes, dak doesn't call plays, DAK DIDNT GIVE UP scores on 4 straight drives to start a game. got it yet

we lost by 6 despite that total mess by the team. none can be placed on dak.,
 

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lol, he hasn't had the benefit of the doubt from this fanbase since his rookie year.

He get no absolution from me, though--he does need to improve. The hyperbole concerning him is just ridiculous.

exactly
dak didn't get penalized 14 times, dak didn't miss blocks, dak didn't create the lack OF A RUN GAME, , Dak didn't miss FGS, Dak didn't drop passes, dak doesn't call plays, DAK DIDNT GIVE UP scores on 4 straight drives to start a game. got it yet

we lost by 6 despite that total mess by the team. none can be placed on dak.,
 
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Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

13 TDs

2.16666 TDs per game



Dak in other 11 games (non playoff teams + Eagles)

27 TDs

2.454545 TDs per game


So he scores 0.29 less TDs against good teams vs bad teams. I'm not trying to make a Dak love or Dak excuse thread. I'm just saying... everyone says he beats bad teams, but his TD production doesn't show too drastic a difference between how he plays vs good teams and bad teams. TDs are the main stat. That shows that plays are being made and points are being scored. None of these games were in garbage time so all these stats are relevant.

I don't think it's only Dak that doesn't show up vs good teams. Nobody else shows up either. Pass rush is a no show against the NFC West. Defense forces turnovers only against Taysom Hill and Mike Glennon. Defense clearly looks way better vs the Giants and Vikings than vs challenging teams. Offensive line gets bulldozed against the Niners and Chiefs. Running game relatively ineffective. Always a few kicks missed in key games. 100 penalties when we're forced to play more physically. We need to find out why EVERYONE plays worse against great teams. It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?


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Forget stats for a second. Do you honestly think he played well against good teams this year? Here is the example I'll use to illustrate my point. Two years ago we played the browns. Who were a decent team that year, .500 I believe. I think we went up 14-7 early in the game. In quarters 2-3 the browns outscored us 34-0. By the fourth quarter the score is 41-14.

Does dak lead us back to score 24 points in the fourth quarter? Absolutely. But the game was pretty much out of hand at that point.

The point I'm trying to make is sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Dak needs to be more consistent over 4 quarters of football. In The broncos, Cheifs. cardinals, and 49ers playoff game the d kept us in the game. Dak had ample opportunities to lead us back and didn't even come close.
I agree with this to most of the extent, but we can't ignore the wash of penalties that killed countless drives in that 49ers game. Otherwise 100%. Though I don't use penalties as a metric for an excuse overall.

If you look at the most penalized teams in football the only one not at the top of that list that made the playoffs are Tampa & the Rams. However, I can't say if for those other teams it was so heavily on offense. Connor Williams is worse than Flozell Adams, and doesn't even have a hearing problem to blame.

Don't even get me started on kicker. I know a lot of people around here like to say "Well it shouldn't even have been that close in the first place." Okay, tell that to past weeks playoffs.
 

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really why is rogers, brady,. allen, and others sitting at home? they all needed a little MORE help. its a team game

stop being a delusional and clueless fan to the sport of football total team game.

dak didn't get penalized 14 times, dak didn't miss blocks, dak didn't create the lack OF A RUN GAME, , Dak didn't miss FGS, Dak didn't drop passes, dak doesn't call plays, DAK DIDNT GIVE UP scores on 4 straight drives to start a game. got it yet

we lost by 6 despite that total mess by the team. none can be placed on dak.,
Dak may have had more rushing yards than anyone else that game. Lol. JK.
 

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Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?


Forget the stats, we watched some Div. playoff games , just evaluate the QB playin some of those games ,to Dak’s game. Who do you have confidence in getting the job done , especially in adverse conditions?

like in our playoff game , if we have QB with some pedigree , getting to 40 yard line with needing 1 TD to win (;twice in the last 3 minutes but lets skip the last possession) and not getting the job done .
 
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