News: BR: Cowboys Rumors: Dalton Schultz 'More Likely' to Get Franchise Tag over Randy Gregory

Reid1boys · Mar 7, 2022

CowboysWillRise said:
Most "real TEs" block also. If he doesn't have the tools of the elite, then he damn well better block.

He was funneled the ball most the year. We can find similar production much cheaper if we are going to insist on funneling the ball to the TE. It must be nice to be on an offense where you are about the 3rd or 4th concern for d coordinators. That won't hold up as well with Coop gone and last seasons film. Let's also hope Dak will either throw the ball down the damn field or we get the run game going. He's not gonna be the one to support running the ball.

2 years in a row, schultz did very well. Make up whatever excuse you want to try and diminish what he did, but the numbers are the numbers.

Loso86 · Mar 7, 2022

OmerV said:
First, you cannot be certain what someone in the draft will do. Look at OJ Howard, Irv Smith, Hayden Hurst, Gerald Everett and others. And these were all 1st and 2nd rounders.

Second, if you have your primary TE covered going into the draft, you don't have to use a high draft pick on one, and can instead use those slots for other needs (O-Liine, D-line etc). At most maybe a lower round blocking TE, but that could also be a lower cost free agent acquisition

Third, This wasn't Schultz's 1st good year, it was his second. Since getting his chance to start after Jarwin got hurt early in 2020 Schultz has done nothing but improve as a receiver.

Your right in some aspects, but he's not dynamic enough to justify 10 plus mil when we have more important positions to pay

CWR · Mar 7, 2022

Reid1boys said:
2 years in a row, schultz did very well. Make up whatever excuse you want to try and diminish what he did, but the numbers are the numbers.

I always forget which "numbers" count, and which ones don't on this board.

He's been a good, not great pass catcher and a terrible blocker.

You think that's worth 11 million, cool. I don't. I think it has been a perfect storm of opportunity for him, and he's done well. I also believe we can find someone else and get similar production if given the opportunity.

Had Schultz been a good blocker, I'd make an argument for an all-around TE. As far as blocking goes, he's a drive killer. I wouldn't pay a guy like that unless he had elite tools on the receiving end. I'd pay a game changer franchise money.

cowboysdoomsday · Mar 7, 2022

Reid1boys said:
go figure that this was the first time he didnt have to worry about failing a drug test for put either. Coincidence? i think not. Gregory has never been a negative in the locker room, ever.

Hopefully gregory gives the etama good deal and we can keep him. He is clearly a positive and part of the reason the defense was turning the ball over. To deny that is just denying facts.

Who cares. He knew the rules and still broke them over and over.

If I was drafted and told I wasn't allowed to drink soda, I wouldn't drink soda.

Rules are rules. Whether or not I agree with those rules does not matter.

OmerV · Mar 7, 2022

Loso86 said:
Your right in some aspects, but he's not dynamic enough to justify 10 plus mil when we have more important positions to pay

Maybe - there are a lot of factors and it really takes looking at the whole picture. For example … Who is available to replace him and how much of a drop off, if any, will there be? Will we have to use a draft pick to replace him, and would that pick be more productive if used on another position? If we release Cooper does that make it more important to keep Schultz around at least one more year so we don't have a drop of at both WR & TE? Assuming guys like Lawrence and Cooper are not retained, how much cap space does that create? I'm sure there are a lot of other things to factor in I'm not thinking about now.

OmerV · Mar 7, 2022

CowboysWillRise said:
Most "real TEs" block also. If he doesn't have the tools of the elite, then he damn well better block.

He was funneled the ball most the year. We can find similar production much cheaper if we are going to insist on funneling the ball to the TE. It must be nice to be on an offense where you are about the 3rd or 4th concern for d coordinators. That won't hold up as well with Coop gone and last seasons film. Let's also hope Dak will either throw the ball down the damn field or we get the run game going. He's not gonna be the one to support running the ball.

Actually it's not that uncommon for team's to have TE's that are more receiver than blocker. Some TE's don't even line up along the O-Line nearly as much as Schultz does. Plus that, an affordable blocking TE could be acquired as a compliment to help with that aspect. We are going to have depth at TE anyway, and we run a fair amount of 2 TE sets.

quickccc · Mar 7, 2022

Chuck 54 said:
Jason Witten was never a deep threat, and he certainly didn’t run away from coverage. Most TEs don’t. Kelce, Kittle, they are not deep threats either. Waller is a deep threat, but that’s not what you get from most real TEs who play in-line. The thing that shocked me most this year about Schultz was his YAC. He was hard to bring down and showed some slipperiness.

- Actually Witten shook and out juked coverage LBs and safeties one on one frequently and on a regular basis with such text book hip & shoulder and footwork.
He could consistently set up and sell double moves to tie the ankles and shoe lances in knots of coverage men on a game to game, season to season basis
En route to a HOF career ?

- Witten was an above average athlete with sensational separation skills.
And despite the puzzling number of false start penalties he’d accumulate, he also was an terrific combo receiving/block TE in his prime years.

- i dunno where this notion ever came that Witten was slow,.. i mean the guy was 4.65 40 time a 255 lbs, prior to the NFL draft.
That's an outstanding size/ speed physical measurements

- His athletic prowess was not on the level of Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, but he certainly was no stiff.
Only thing i was ever surprised with Witten's career is why his Red Zone TDs was so afar from the likes of HOF'ers Gonzalez/Gates.

- i don't get where anyone can contest that Kelsie is not a dangerous threat deep per the many of times that we regularly see Kelce split
and get behind the two deep safeties over the past years.

CWR · Mar 7, 2022

OmerV said:
Actually it's not that uncommon for team's to have TE's that are more receiver than blocker. Some TE's don't even line up along the O-Line nearly as much as Schultz does. Plus that, an affordable blocking TE could be acquired as a compliment to help with that aspect. We are going to have depth at TE anyway, and we run a fair amount of 2 TE sets.

I just hate the idea of telegraphing your play calling because it becomes real obvious when the blocking TE comes on to the field.

The thing that irritates me about Schultz is that he was a better blocker than reciever. As soon as he started catching the ball he quit blocking. I remember a highlight he was mic'd up. After he caught the ball he told his teammates "not had for a blocking tight end." He's capable, he's either not putting in the effort or not being coached.

CWR · Mar 7, 2022

quickccc said:
- Actually Witten shook and out juked coverage LBs and safeties one on one frequently and on a regular basis with such text book hip & shoulder and footwork.
He could consistently set up and sell double moves to tie the ankles and shoe lances in knots of coverage men on a game to game, season to season basis
En route to a HOF career ?

- Witten was an above average athlete with sensational separation skills.
And despite the puzzling number of false start penalties he’d accumulate, he also was an terrific combo receiving/block TE in his prime years.

- i dunno where this notion ever came that Witten was slow,.. i mean the guy was 4.65 40 time a 255 lbs, prior to the NFL draft.
That's an outstanding size/ speed physical measurements

- His athletic prowess was not on the level of Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, but he certainly was no stiff.
Only thing i was ever surprised with Witten's career is why his Red Zone TDs was so afar from the likes of HOF'ers Gonzalez/Gates.

- i don't get where anyone can contest that Kelsie is not a dangerous threat deep per the many of times that we regularly see Kelce split
and get behind the two deep safeties over the past years.

Witten's rookie year film surprised me at how fast he used to be. The old highlights are fun.

Reid1boys · Mar 7, 2022

cowboysdoomsday said:
Who cares. He knew the rules and still broke them over and over.

If I was drafted and told I wasn't allowed to drink soda, I wouldn't drink soda.

Rules are rules. Whether or not I agree with those rules does not matter.

you miss the point. The point being that the rules that impeded him are gone.

OmerV · Mar 7, 2022

CowboysWillRise said:
I just hate the idea of telegraphing your play calling because it becomes real obvious when the blocking TE comes on to the field.

The thing that irritates me about Schultz is that he was a better blocker than reciever. As soon as he started catching the ball he quit blocking. I remember a highlight he was mic'd up. After he caught the ball he told his teammates "not had for a blocking tight end." He's capable, he's either not putting in the effort or not being coached.

It doesn't have to be like that. Many teams have TE's that are mostly receivers, and every team has TE's that are mostly blockers, and the teams just show a lot of different looks. You wouldn't make it as obvious as replacing Schultz on every running play. You wouldn't want to anyway because with audibles run/pass can change from the original play call. And you may have the blocking TE in with 2 TE sets where he could either be a run blocker or a pass blocker, and Schultz would still be available to run a route - or add to the blocking. The only time you would have to make it obvious is on clear running downs (3rd or 4th and short) or clear passing downs (3rd and long), and in those cases the play call would be obvious anyway..

cowboysdoomsday · Mar 7, 2022

Reid1boys said:
you miss the point. The point being that the rules that impeded him are gone.

Yeah. But now he is about to turn 30. And he seemed to wear down at the end of the season anyway after a hot stretch.

CWR · Mar 7, 2022

cowboysdoomsday said:
Yeah. But now he is about to turn 30. And he seemed to wear down at the end of the season anyway after a hot stretch.

I was real excited about Gregory moving forward, until I realized he must've aged in dog years. I cant believe how quick that dude hit 30.

Loso86 · Mar 7, 2022

OmerV said:
Maybe - there are a lot of factors and it really takes looking at the whole picture. For example … Who is available to replace him and how much of a drop off, if any, will there be? Will we have to use a draft pick to replace him, and would that pick be more productive if used on another position? If we release Cooper does that make it more important to keep Schultz around at least one more year so we don't have a drop of at both WR & TE? Assuming guys like Lawrence and Cooper are not retained, how much cap space does that create? I'm sure there are a lot of other things to factor in I'm not thinking about now.

I'm looming at overall cap space I could use that money more than the pick at this point. Could change though

Reid1boys · Mar 7, 2022

CowboysWillRise said:
I was real excited about Gregory moving forward, until I realized he must've aged in dog years. I cant believe how quick that dude hit 30.

its crazy how quickly we now watch players entire careers come and go. When I was little, it seemed like Roger Staubach was our QB for 30 years.... then it seemed like Aikman came and went in a flash.

Damn Im getting old.

Adreme · Mar 7, 2022

JBS said:
everything that you just said about Gregory also applies to Schultz

Except Schultz will get 13m on the open market and Gregory would not come close to hitting the franchise tag number. That is the big distinction.

Adreme · Mar 7, 2022

Reid1boys said:
2 years in a row, schultz did very well. Make up whatever excuse you want to try and diminish what he did, but the numbers are the numbers.

He has done well, but he is going to be making Kittle, Kelce, and Andrews level money and he is not even close to the same tier as those guys.

Mannix · Mar 7, 2022

conner01 said:
Schultz is a solid TE

Correction....he is a solid tweener. Not a TE!!!

dwreck27 · Mar 7, 2022

Man Dallas loves playing “okay” players

CWR · Mar 7, 2022

Reid1boys said:
its crazy how quickly we now watch players entire careers come and go. When I was little, it seemed like Roger Staubach was our QB for 30 years.... then it seemed like Aikman came and went in a flash.

Damn Im getting old.

Damn near impossible to buy a jersey anymore.

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