Do Cowboys want a Packer type OL

Will the Cowboys and OL coach Joe Philibin prefer more the Packer type OL ?

Whether FA, trade or NFL draft - - it bears watching how we acquire OLinemen under Joe Philibin.
so will we target more Packer like Olinemen ?

Looking at past GB Packers OL trench-men, that seems to be the formula.
More so the finesse, tacticians and zone scheme oriented guys instead of power oriented anchor types.?

Josh Sitton
TJ Lang
Jeff Saturday
Bryan Bulaga
David Bakhitian
Corey Lindsley

Now looking at their resumes, these GB guys have been to Pro bowls, but while it worked for the Rodgers
era, can those types work best here with the Cowboys ?

What also may be important is how long will the McCarthy- Philibin be around past 2022.
Is it best to target OL guys that are versatile to fit any scheme and with any coach ?

How about a 90's OL, or an OL from 4 or 5 years ago. When TFred was at C. The OL from 2014, 2016.
Also the play calling in the run game.

jazzcat22 said:

How about a 90's OL, or an OL from 4 or 5 years ago. When TFred was at C. The OL from 2014, 2016.
Also the play calling in the run game.

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Yup our 2014-2016 OL was one of the best ever.. i want another cowboy OL. not packer ol ef the packers.

AR and great play calling helped the OL.

A comparison.
Nate Newton said their OL were a bunch of nobody's until Emmitt came a long (with Irvin and Troy) then they became pro bowlers and all pros.
When Barry Sanders came to Detroit, he already had 2 all pro OL in place. they drafted an OL that became an all pro.
Emmitt made the Dallas OL. Barry already had one.

Anyway, this is not about that. Just saying sometimes an elite QB can make the OL seem better.
Mahommes OL in the SB were not that good, and TB exposed them, and Mahommes could not do it on his own. As of late, neither can AR.

But we seen how our OL in 2014, 2016 really did help the offense.

jazzcat22 said:

AR and great play calling helped the OL.

A comparison.
Nate Newton said their OL were a bunch of nobody's until Emmitt came a long (with Irvin and Troy) then they became pro bowlers and all pros.
When Barry Sanders came to Detroit, he already had 2 all pro OL in place. they drafted an OL that became an all pro.
Emmitt made the Dallas OL. Barry already had one.

Anyway, this is not about that. Just saying sometimes an elite QB can make the OL seem better.
Mahommes OL in the SB were not that good, and TB exposed them, and Mahommes could not do it on his own. As of late, neither can AR.

But we seen how our OL in 2014, 2016 really did help the offense.

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who were the All pro Lion OL guys ? .. Lomas Brown and who else ?

yeh unfortunately Mahomes did not have his initial starting OTs, ..both were injured and out for the SB vs Bucs, ..thus backups that played like very average backups.(or below average)

The cowboys plan seems to be wait, see what’s left over and settle for whatever falls to them. Then expect the coaching staff to scheme around whatever they end up with.

quickccc said:

who were the All pro Lion OL guys ? .. Lomas Brown and who else ?

yeh unfortunately Mahomes did not have his initial starting OTs, ..both were injured and out for the SB vs Bucs, ..thus backups that played like very average backups.(or below average)

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Can't recall the 3rd. Would need to look it up.

No we dont want the Packer style Oline playing some finess zone blocking crap . That does not work here . We have no discipline for that . We need Maulers that can beat the man infront of them and dominate with power .

I think that over engineered batch of spit is why we have so many penalties . We are a stupid team Keep it simple Dont false start Tee Off and Pancake the guy in front of you .

Blackrain said:

No we dont want the Packer style Oline playing some finess zone blocking crap . That does not work here . We have no discipline for that . We need Maulers that can beat the man infront of them and dominate with power .

I think that over engineered batch of spit is why we have so many penalties . We are a stupid team Keep it simple Dont false start Tee Off and Pancake the guy in front of you .

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We need a line full of Erik Williams.

quickccc said:

Will the Cowboys and OL coach Joe Philibin prefer more the Packer type OL ?

Whether FA, trade or NFL draft - - it bears watching how we acquire OLinemen under Joe Philibin.
so will we target more Packer like Olinemen ?

Looking at past GB Packers OL trench-men, that seems to be the formula.
More so the finesse, tacticians and zone scheme oriented guys instead of power oriented anchor types.?

Josh Sitton
TJ Lang
Jeff Saturday
Bryan Bulaga
David Bakhitian
Corey Lindsley

Now looking at their resumes, these GB guys have been to Pro bowls, but while it worked for the Rodgers
era, can those types work best here with the Cowboys ?

What also may be important is how long will the McCarthy- Philibin be around past 2022.
Is it best to target OL guys that are versatile to fit any scheme and with any coach ?

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All the players on your list are white...

Saturday only played 1 season for GB and that was less than 16 games. It was his final season in the NFL.

Corey Lindsley is the only one on that list other than Saturday that is 'small-ish'.

xwalker said:

All the players on your list are white...

Saturday only played 1 season for GB and that was less than 16 games. It was his final season in the NFL.

Corey Lindsley is the only one on that list other than Saturday that is 'small-ish'.

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Fredrick and Martin are white too, but what matters is skill set and high peak performance. Supposedly the Cowboys are declining
the best center in the NFL draft in Iowa's Tyler Linderbaum,(yes, another Tyler) and the pivot center role played a huge part in our OL from 2014-2016.

- Linderbaum reportedly wasn't a 30 visit, so is that because the Cowboys are not impressed with Linderbaum, ..or they are very content with current Tyler Biadiaz ?
Also if we look back, it's been quite a long time back that the Packers even drafted an OL in the first round (i think a bust named Derrick Sherrod-something)
Is McClay gonna change that OL first round philosophy after we've hit it big on Tyron, Zack and Fredrick in 1st round ?

- If we're gonna be getting those kinda Packers OL, and continue with this kinda zone scheme, then it's gonna be on to sustain this kinda OL coach
to which i don't feel secure about Philibin (nor McCarthy) long term here,.. and if they are gone,

We need a Mauler in the run game and pass blocker who will not be pushed back into QBs lap.
This QB doesnt work well with a collapsing pocket , also takes time to process and will not let the ball go until he see physical separation, LOL

jazzcat22 said:

AR and great play calling helped the OL.

A comparison.
Nate Newton said their OL were a bunch of nobody's until Emmitt came a long (with Irvin and Troy) then they became pro bowlers and all pros.
When Barry Sanders came to Detroit, he already had 2 all pro OL in place. they drafted an OL that became an all pro.
Emmitt made the Dallas OL. Barry already had one.

Anyway, this is not about that. Just saying sometimes an elite QB can make the OL seem better.
Mahommes OL in the SB were not that good, and TB exposed them, and Mahommes could not do it on his own. As of late, neither can AR.

But we seen how our OL in 2014, 2016 really did help the offense.

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The Cowboys continued to build the offensive line in the 1990s. Allen and Erick Williams were not on the OL at first. They were added later., Williams in 1991 and Allen in 1994.

Building the Cowboys offensive line of the 1990s was a pretty remarkable

Mark Tuinei was signed as a UDFA by the Cowboys in 1983. He played DT in college and with the Cowboys in 1983 and 1984. He switched to offensive line in 1985. After working at multiple positions on the OL he stuck at OT in 1986. After a short stint back at DT due to injuries, he was named the starting LT for Dallas and stayed their until he retired.

Nate Newton was originally signed by the Washington Commanders as an undrafted free agent. He was cut in training camp then signed by the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL. When the USFL collapsed he signed with Dallas as a free agent in 1986.

Kevin Gogan was drafted by the Cowboys in 1987 in the 8th round. He left the Cowboys as a free agent in 1994, the same year they drafted Larry Allen. How fortunate for Dallas to get Allen just as Gogan was exiting.

Mark Stepnoski was drafted by Dallas in the 3rd round in 1989.

John Gesek was traded to Dallas in 1990. He was originally a 10th round pick in 1987 by the Raiders.

Erik Williams was drafted by the Cowboys in the 3rd round in 1991.

Larry Allen was drafted in the 2nd round of the 1994 draft by the Cowboys.

I give Jimmy Johnson credit for assembling all the players. The previous 10 years the Cowboys drafted quite a few offensive linemen but most were JAGs. Of course Landry gets credit for Tuinei and Newton. Credit Johnson for keeping them when Jerry bought the team.

I would rather have a Packers like QB

We were privileged to have a good or even great oline from 2014-2019

DFWJC said:

We were privileged to have a good or even great oline from 2014-2019

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It wasn't all roses, as we've had some hits and misses between that era.

- While we had All Pros such as Martin, Tyron, we've also had Doug Free on his last legs but fortunately backup Jeremy Parnell filling in admirably ..
and Ron Leary as a one year wonder. but who could ever forget the disaster that was Chaz Green vs ATL (5 sacks in one lone game ?)
LG has been a long standing problems and misses with Jonathan Cooper, Conner Williams and Conner McGovern..and remains so.

- Fredrick no doubt would've been a possible HOF'er had he not been struck with the Guillain Baree' syndrome, and forced to retire.
Like LG, center has also been an adventure.

- Coaching plays heavily into OL play as well,..Pollack coached the 2016 era, but was made the scape goat for the Chaz Green fiasco and was replaced with
Cincy former OL coach Paul Alexander who frustrated his OL unit so much that he was actually fired mid-season and replaced with asst coach Marc Columbo.

- Ironically Pollack was not re-signed by Cowboys, ended up taking Alexander's OL coach role in Cincy, en route to a SB game.
Columbo's last year here in Dallas, produced a unit that was 2nd in the entire NFL in fewest sacks allowed, and 5th in NFL in rushing.
Yet he was not re-signed and replaced by McCarthy's longtime buddy and asst. Joe Philibin.

quickccc said:

Will the Cowboys and OL coach Joe Philibin prefer more the Packer type OL ?

Whether FA, trade or NFL draft - - it bears watching how we acquire OLinemen under Joe Philibin.
so will we target more Packer like Olinemen ?

Looking at past GB Packers OL trench-men, that seems to be the formula.
More so the finesse, tacticians and zone scheme oriented guys instead of power oriented anchor types.?

Josh Sitton
TJ Lang
Jeff Saturday
Bryan Bulaga
David Bakhitian
Corey Lindsley

Now looking at their resumes, these GB guys have been to Pro bowls, but while it worked for the Rodgers
era, can those types work best here with the Cowboys ?

What also may be important is how long will the McCarthy- Philibin be around past 2022.
Is it best to target OL guys that are versatile to fit any scheme and with any coach ?

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you need an elite QB for that who knows how to use their blocks. not our statue of liberty.

I just want OLineman that don't commit tons of penalties, aren't constantly missing games due to injury, and don't spend more time in our backfield than Zeke.

quickccc said:

Fredrick and Martin are white too, but what matters is skill set and high peak performance. Supposedly the Cowboys are declining
the best center in the NFL draft in Iowa's Tyler Linderbaum,(yes, another Tyler) and the pivot center role played a huge part in our OL from 2014-2016.

- Linderbaum reportedly wasn't a 30 visit, so is that because the Cowboys are not impressed with Linderbaum, ..or they are very content with current Tyler Biadiaz ?
Also if we look back, it's been quite a long time back that the Packers even drafted an OL in the first round (i think a bust named Derrick Sherrod-something)
Is McClay gonna change that OL first round philosophy after we've hit it big on Tyron, Zack and Fredrick in 1st round ?

- If we're gonna be getting those kinda Packers OL, and continue with this kinda zone scheme, then it's gonna be on to sustain this kinda OL coach
to which i don't feel secure about Philibin (nor McCarthy) long term here,.. and if they are gone,

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I dont know this draft as well as usual, but my bold prediction all along was that Dallas would not have a 1st round grade on Linderbaum.

Lack of size and versatility.

Jerry usually reveals the board to prove they know their stuff so we will see eventually.

quickccc said:

Will the Cowboys and OL coach Joe Philibin prefer more the Packer type OL ?

Whether FA, trade or NFL draft - - it bears watching how we acquire OLinemen under Joe Philibin.
so will we target more Packer like Olinemen ?

Looking at past GB Packers OL trench-men, that seems to be the formula.
More so the finesse, tacticians and zone scheme oriented guys instead of power oriented anchor types.?

Josh Sitton
TJ Lang
Jeff Saturday
Bryan Bulaga
David Bakhitian
Corey Lindsley

Now looking at their resumes, these GB guys have been to Pro bowls, but while it worked for the Rodgers
era, can those types work best here with the Cowboys ?

What also may be important is how long will the McCarthy- Philibin be around past 2022.
Is it best to target OL guys that are versatile to fit any scheme and with any coach ?

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Clearly we're trying to reduce resources spent on the oline. With Collins gone, we're down to two olinemen who are getting paid. Haven't done squat in free agency to backfill WIlliams . Only spent 4ths in the draft since McCarthy got here for "guys who dropped for issues".

I expect an earlier G pick this year, 1st or 2nd, to replace Williams, then another olineman who dropped later in the draft.

I'd say we're making Biadasz work. If Ball can at least be a decent swing, he's another win.