I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

MountaineerCowboy

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no, don't go trying to spin as you always do. your reputation precedes you.

what he said its partially true...not an "out right lie"....again, don't be a drama queen. its not becoming.
OP used false, out of date data, to build a narrative around.

You defending that shows you are just another follower like AC waiting someone to formulate opinions for you instead of making your own. The truth matters not when you just piggy back off false narratives others built for you to use as your own,
 

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Not at all. How many times do we have to say “Team game”? How many people need to tell you that Dak is somewhere between 10-15?

You only hear whatever you think validates your agenda, so what’s the point of continuing this? You’re not changing anyone’s opinion, and most real fans don’t care about your agenda.
And you're not changing my opinion.

Take your own advice.
 

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What's the reason someone whines about a thread but keeps posting in it over and over unless they secretly have a woodrow over it?

I have not whined ...... I pointed out flaws in the OP's narrative and explained that said narrative is what makes others make fun of Homer Cowboy fans.
I like Dak ..... And think he is a top 10 qb ...... But he is in no way as good as Mahomes and pulling out a stat like that looks desperate.

And if you do not want people to disagree with a topic ...... Write a blog instead of putting it on a forum.
 

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OP used false, out of date data, to build a narrative around.

You defending that shows you are just another follower like AC waiting someone to formulate opinions for you instead of making your own. The truth matters not when you just piggy back off false narratives others built for you to use as your own,
and here we go...spinning starts...
not defending. mever said he was right, wrong, agreed or disagreed. just pointing out that the drama queen is throwing a hissy fit.

and I know, you have to win an argument. you don't feel right if you don't feel you won an argument. it will gnaw at you. bug you and you will keep arguing, spinning, changing the argument until you can declare you won. its your schtick around here

it wasn't an outright lie.......was everything, every single thing he posted in the twit a lie?

go ahead spin.

and nah, you didn't read this.... ;)
 

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First off, NO ONE is saying Dak’s career has been as successful as Brady’s or Mahommes or Rogers. Personally, I’ve said MANY times that Dak is somewhere in the 10-15 range for current QB1’s, but despite that they could still win with Dak, considering several teams have without elite QBs. Team sport, friends! There IS a double standard though, where stats are positive reinforcement for some, but not for others. Secondly, the NFCE hasn’t been down as long as the AFCE was when the Pats were dominating, AND there were actually two divisions with a worse record the past couple of years, so “least” isn’t even accurate. In addition, people seem to forget that NO division boasts more Lombardi’s than the NFCE.

First, if you're not saying Dak's career hasn't been as successful, then stop pointing out that Brady took advantage of cupcakes or expect the same to be said of Dak (this is, of course, if you said this. I'm reading and responding to several posters so forgive me if I'm getting you confused with someone else).

Second, stop saying "they could still win with Dak." There's no way that you can prove that.

Third, one man's "double standard" is another man's "context." Whether we like it or not, quarterbacks are judged based on post-season success. Was Eli Manning a better quarterback than Romo? Some say "yes," others "no," even though Eli had the longer career and better statistics. But where Eli and Romo are judged is based on post-season success, and if using that as a standard, Eli is, well, a Hall of Fame candidate and Romo, not so much.

Where stats enter the picture is when a quarterback hasn't reach the Super Bowl yet their performance is heads-and-shoulders above their peers year after year. Such is the case with Dan Marino (who played in a Super Bowl, by the way) and Dan Fouts (who played in a championship game). Their numbers were so clearly superior to the competition year in and year out that they are consider top quarterbacks even if neither won a Super Bowl.

As you said yourself, Dak ranks somewhere in the 10-15 range of current QBs. I don't disagree. Even so, that isn't winning him any arguments worthy of comparing him to Mahomes. Using a top-tier quarterback like Mahomes to compare with Dak brings out predictable rebuttals because it's pretty obvious what fans are trying to do ... put him in the ranks of the elite quarterbacks when he is not. Otherwise, why compare him with Mahomes?

Fourth, yes, football is a team game. So then tell me why you and others are compelled to cite Dak's stats? Did Dak produce those 400 yards by himself? Where is the offensive line's credit? Where is the receiver's credit? We play the "it's a team game" when it suits our purpose. When Dak puts up a 400 yard, 5TDs game against the likes of the Atlanta Falcons and the NY Giants, his "supporters" don't run to this forum and say, "You see that vicious block La 'el Collins laid to give Dak enough time to complete that pass?" or "That Amari Cooper must have glue on his hands because if he didn't catch it, Dak wouldn't have had a touchdown?"

No, rather, they say, "What are the haters going to say about Dak now?" And the endless posts are made about how Dak is a great quarterback, elite, etc.
But I thought this was a TEAM game. :huh:

If it's a team game, then no one should get the credit or EVERYONE should get credit EQUALLY when a team scores on offense.

But you know as well as I do that's not how it works. The QUARTERBACK gets the bulk of the praise and the bulk of the criticism. Is it fair?

No. But we fall into that unfairness too, hence the incessant criticism and defense of one Rayne Dakota Prescott using ... STATS.
 
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I would say Kelce by himself offsets Schultz and Gallup (when/if healthy).

Hardman is better than Washington and Brown

Valdes Scantling is better than Washington and Brown

JuJu (If healthy) is better than Washington and Brown.

Lamb is the best of all of them from what we've seen, because we have no idea how Lamb will be without Cooper taking the heat off him. We can say the same for Hill being gone taking the heat off other guys too, but all we have to go on is what we've seen so far.

Everyone for the Cowboys and Chiefs are better than Tolbert until we see Tolbert in action.
Gallup, when healthy, is better than VS and Ju Ju and Hardman.

Kelce is still a great player, yes. He will now have to deal with more attention and being a year older.

My point in all of this is that Pat will be exposed more than he ever has without an elite playmaker covering up his deficiencies. We will see if I am right.
 

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The experts picked Tampa because at the time, any sane person thought they were the better team and were playing at home.

And guess what? They were right.
Well, they WERE playing at home, but they only won by 2, and only because a still injured kicker missed a 24-yard chip shot. Tampa will be favored this year also. They’ll all pick Tampa, and if the Bucs win by one on a fluke play with two seconds left, the “experts” will ignore the upsets to pile on Dallas.
 

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and here we go...spinning starts...
not defending. mever said he was right, wrong, agreed or disagreed. just pointing out that the drama queen is throwing a hissy fit.

and I know, you have to win an argument. you don't feel right if you don't feel you won an argument. it will gnaw at you. bug you and you will keep arguing, spinning, changing the argument until you can declare you won. its your schtick around here

it wasn't an outright lie.......was everything, every single thing he posted in the twit a lie?

go ahead spin.

and nah, you didn't read this.... ;)
The tweet that OP used to base his narrative around out of date, false data.

That's all that matters and that's all I'm saying.

The opinion on Jerry Rice making Steve Young is their opinion and I don't care.
 

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This year coming up. Who will have a better year statistically?

I have often said that Hill and Kelce covered a lot of blemishes on Mahommie....he lost a big chunk of that and really didn't replace him.

Just making sure. Your tenses weren't aligning. Thanks for the explanation.
 

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First, if you're not saying Dak's career hasn't been as successful, then stop pointing out that Brady took advantage of cupcakes or expect the same to be said of Dak (this is, of course, if you said this. I'm reading and responding to several posters so forgive me if I'm getting you confused with someone else).

Second, stop saying "they could still win with Dak." There's no way that you can prove that.

Third, one man's "double standard" is another man's "context." Whether we like it or not, quarterbacks are judged based on post-season success. Was Eli Manning a better quarterback than Romo? Some say "yes," others "no," even though Eli had the longer career and better statistics. But where Eli and Romo are judged is based on post-season success, and if using that as a standard, Eli is, well, a Hall of Fame candidate and Romo, not so much.

Where stats enter the picture is when a quarterback hasn't reach the Super Bowl yet their performance is heads-and-shoulders above their peers year after year. Such is the case with Dan Marino (who played in a Super Bowl, by the way) and Dan Fouts (who played in a championship game). Their numbers were so clearly superior to the competition year in and year out that they are consider top quarterbacks even if neither won a Super Bowl.

As you said yourself, Dak ranks somewhere in the 10-15 range of current QBs. I don't disagree. Even so, that isn't winning him any arguments worthy of comparing him to Mahomes. Using a top-tier quarterback like Mahomes to compare with Dak brings out predictable rebuttals because it's pretty obvious what fans are trying to do ... put him in the ranks of the elite quarterbacks when he is not. Otherwise, why compare him with Mahomes?

Fourth, yes, football is a team game. So then tell me why you and others are compelled to cite Dak's stats? Did Dak produce those 400 yards by himself? Where is the offensive line's credit? Where is the receiver's credit? We play the "it's a team game" when it suits our purpose. When Dak puts up a 400 yard, 5TDs game against the likes of the Atlanta Falcons and the NY Giants, his "supporters" don't run to this forum and say, "You see that vicious block La 'el Collins laid to give Dak enough time to complete that pass?" or "That Amari Cooper must have glue on his hands because if he didn't catch it, Dak wouldn't have had a touchdown?"

No, rather, they say, "What are the haters going to say about Dak now?" And the endless posts are made about how Dak is a great quarterback, elite, etc.
But I thought this was a TEAM game. :huh:

If it's a team game, then no one should get the credit or EVERYONE should get credit EQUALLY when a team scores on offense.

But you know as well as I do that's not how it works. The QUARTERBACK gets the bulk of the praise and the bulk of the criticism. Is it fair?

No. But we fall into that unfairness too, hence the incessant criticism and defense of one Rayne Dakota Prescott using ... STATS.

But didn’t Brady take advantage of cupcakes a lot longer than Dak? And most would say the Pats had a better HC and a better defense, too. OF COURSE Brady is better, but facts are facts.

Who said Dak was elite? And considering the long list of “not elite” QB’s who’ve played in SB’s, why CAN’T Dallas win with Dak?

Eli vs. Romo is ancient history, but as far as stats go, did Romo ever have 27 INTs in one season? How many times did Eli put up numbers like Romo did (Denver) and still lose? As far as SBs, Eli’s Giants won two as a 9-7 sixth seed that got healthy and hot at the perfect time, due to an other worldly pass rush, and a miracle catch against the helmet of a desperation heave to a forgotten backup WR.
 

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Well, they WERE playing at home, but they only won by 2, and only because a still injured kicker missed a 24-yard chip shot. Tampa will be favored this year also. They’ll all pick Tampa, and if the Bucs win by one on a fluke play with two seconds left, the “experts” will ignore the upsets to pile on Dallas.
It's easy to say I told you so using hindsight.
 

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Well, they WERE playing at home, but they only won by 2, and only because a still injured kicker missed a 24-yard chip shot. Tampa will be favored this year also. They’ll all pick Tampa, and if the Bucs win by one on a fluke play with two seconds left, the “experts” will ignore the upsets to pile on Dallas.
When you've got an owner and his son that has their own radio spots, always preaching "how bout them Cowboys", always hyping the team up every offseason, always out there in the media any chance they get......

Ya kinda set yourself up to be the butt of the jokes when you've done nothing meaningful but have the owners, fans, and some players run their mouths for the past 26 years and not back it up.

They pile on because Jerry has made the Dallas Cowboys more of a soap opera then a football team at this point. That's just the way he's always wanted it. Mission accomplished.
 

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Pat Mahomes was borderline terrible the first part of last season while Dak was playing at an MVP level. Some on the board were calling Mahomes a flash in the pan. Dak finished with the same number of TD passes, despite not having as good a team around him or a Tyreek Hill. He had a higher completion percentage than Mahomes and a higher passer rating but you have idiots on this board that would rather have Baker Mayfield or some other mediocre QB leading this team.

It's kind of like labeling a player "MVP" in the first quarter of a season is ridiculous - happens every year. A player or team will start out hot and once other teams get healthy or find their groove when it matters, that once "hot team" suddenly fizzles out. Cowboys played Bucs, Chargers, and Patriots in that 6 week span - lost to the Bucs in the opener, Chargers weren't even a playoff team (they are a rising team) and we got Patriots right before their hot streak with a rookie QB.

Dak is better than Mayfield, but he's on the level of the Carr and Cousins of the league. That's just a simple fact at this point.
 

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Let's go back to Dak's rookie season in 2016. TWO YEARS before Mahomes ever started a game in the NFL.

Career games with at least 300 yards passing:

Dak- 20
Mahomes - 31

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Didn’t Dak miss some time with injuries and didn’t Romo play some his rookie year?
 

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Comparing Dak to Mahomes is like comparing the 3 point shooting of Dennis Rodman to Steph Curry.

I'm starting to see why Stephen A despises Cowboys fans so much.. Give me a break.
Not as much as some Cowboys fans self hate themselves or their team.
 

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Didn’t Dak miss some time with injuries and Romo did play some his rookie year?
The only time Romo played in 2016 was 1 series in the last game of the season when we rested everyone (big mistake) because we already had the #1 seed locked up.
 

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It's kind of like labeling a player "MVP" in the first quarter of a season is ridiculous - happens every year. A player or team will start out hot and once other teams get healthy or find their groove when it matters, that once "hot team" suddenly fizzles out. Cowboys played Bucs, Chargers, and Patriots in that 6 week span - lost to the Bucs in the opener, Chargers weren't even a playoff team (they are a rising team) and we got Patriots right before their hot streak with a rookie QB.

Dak is better than Mayfield, but he's on the level of the Carr and Cousins of the league. That's just a simple fact at this point.

I said Dak was playing at an MVP level the first part of the season and he was. Unfortunately he didn’t maintain that level after returning from the calf injury. The level Dak is at is plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl but the team needs to step up around him.
 

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Wow 14 pages on this...that's at least worth a like alone! Well done stiring the pot OP
 
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