Start Osa and Hill?

john van brocklin · Sep 14, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
I know it's a rotation and all the guys are going to play.. but from my eyes and from the numbers Hill and Osa were the only DTs who did anything on Sunday. Gallimore and Bohanna were completely invisible. Hill and Osa both had TFLs and QB hits. When the QB you're getting hits on is named Tom Brady one tends to take notice. Bohanna and Gallimore both had "assists." It will be interesting to see how the rotation evolves going forward because at this point it looks like Osa and Hill are our two best interior d-linemen. Osa played the most snaps (36) while Hill played the least (19.) Let's see what happens this Sunday.

I like your idea!

JPostSam · Sep 14, 2022

hill gets penetration, but he seems to end up on the ground on every damn play.

RonnieT24 · Sep 14, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
PFF is a joke. Bunch of morons over there. Giving Hill an 81? Plus, Bohanna a 49?

Yeah I don't tout PFF when their grades agree with my assessment because I still maintain that the grading is done by a bunch of pimply faced nerds on speed watching the same game that we do with no more knowledge of a player's assignment than you or I have. Maybe less because some of us actually played the game while I would wager less than a third of PFF's nerds ever got anywhere near a football field except maybe to accept some award on award day or to walk across the stage during graduation if they had an outdoor one. I will eventually go back and watch the game but frankly I don't expect what I see to line up with their "grades" whatsoever.

RonnieT24 · Sep 14, 2022

JPostSam said:
hill gets penetration, but he seems to end up on the ground on every damn play.

This is your bias talking. He was solid in his limited snaps this past game. I'm sure there is a threshold for a guy like him.. maybe it's 30 snaps.. maybe it's 25.. beyond which he won't be effective. But he looked pretty good in this game.. Not great.. not future all pro.. but good. He was disruptive and made the olinemen account for him. As I said before he also should have drawn at least two holding calls.. but I knew coming in that they were NOT going to be calling any holdings against the guys tasked with keeping Grampa Brady upright.

RonnieT24 · Sep 14, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
I hear you. If I had his size, I would be creating havoc inside nonstop and make it so hard to stop me.

The thing about that size is it's tough to carry and move that much weight. His stamina has to be minimal.. especially if he's taking on two guys almost as big as he is on most plays.

JPostSam · Sep 14, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
This is your bias talking. He was solid in his limited snaps this past game. I'm sure there is a threshold for a guy like him.. maybe it's 30 snaps.. maybe it's 25.. beyond which he won't be effective. But he looked pretty good in this game.. Not great.. not future all pro.. but good. He was disruptive and made the olinemen account for him. As I said before he also should have drawn at least two holding calls.. but I knew coming in that they were NOT going to be calling any holdings against the guys tasked with keeping Grampa Brady upright.

my bias?! what bias?! i have nothing against the guy. he has flashed, and i hope he does great. i'm just concerned by how much he seems to eat grass.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Sep 14, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
Hill had two solo tackles one for loss and a QB knockdown in 19 snaps. He also should have drawn a rather obvious holding on one of Fournette's long runs because the center pretty much took his jersey completely off or I think Hill makes the tackle for a 2 yard gain. I will go back and rewatch the game at some point to confirm what I thought I saw but my stomach still has not recovered from that putrid performance by the offense.. Maybe I'll just FF through our offensive plays and try to just judge the defense.

Bet you if Zeke had ripped off that run and the same thing happened, that run would be called back due to holding.

America's Cowboy · Sep 15, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
Yeah I don't tout PFF when their grades agree with my assessment because I still maintain that the grading is done by a bunch of pimply faced nerds on speed watching the same game that we do with no more knowledge of a player's assignment than you or I have. Maybe less because some of us actually played the game while I would wager less than a third of PFF's nerds ever got anywhere near a football field except maybe to accept some award on award day or to walk across the stage during graduation if they had an outdoor one. I will eventually go back and watch the game but frankly I don't expect what I see to line up with their "grades" whatsoever.

Nice sarcasm to deflect and cover, but the truth is, it's very hard to fully understand the game unless you've been there and done that live on the field of play. You can study all the film and read all the books you want, it still won't substitute for the actual live game experience.

America's Cowboy · Sep 15, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
The thing about that size is it's tough to carry and move that much weight. His stamina has to be minimal.. especially if he's taking on two guys almost as big as he is on most plays.

True, but this is where working on your strength, quickness and stamina can truly benefit a player like Bohanna.

JeffInDC · Sep 15, 2022

Ken said:
Yes, he had a nice play where he held up a double team and dropped the RB for a 2 yard loss. It was a very good play.

He knocked down the QB, if memory serves, where he didn't have to do much.

I just saw a lot of the same from him, a lot of blocker magnet, flailing arms, hitting the ground diving with no hope of actually tackling. I am rough on him, admittedly, but I just don't see it with him.

Watch Q, i was impressed.

Q did what most 330lb. NT are supposed to do - eat double teams. He's NOT a pass-rusher. I don't understand why folks don't get that. And, you ain't lying about PFF - they lost me with Pollard being a better pass-blocker than Zeke...wait, WHAT!!!!!!!!!!
:facepalm:

G2 · Sep 15, 2022

Whoever is best vs the run, I give them some snaps.

DeaconMoss · Sep 15, 2022

glimmerman said:
No rotation for Ridgeway.

Checked statsheet again. No necks snapped.

Ken · Sep 15, 2022

JeffInDC said:
Q did what most 330lb. NT are supposed to do - eat double teams. He's NOT a pass-rusher. I don't understand why folks don't get that. And, you ain't lying about PFF - they lost me with Pollard being a better pass-blocker than Zeke...wait, WHAT!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, he isn't a pass rusher and I am grading his game on being a nose. Having said that, he had at least a couple of effective rushes that I can remember.

Ya, PFF is all over the map. Maybe they can do OL well...seems a little off there as well. Everywhere else seems horrific and their grades create the story lines for the week on ESPN. i think this is really the story here.

Creeper · Sep 15, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
I know it's a rotation and all the guys are going to play.. but from my eyes and from the numbers Hill and Osa were the only DTs who did anything on Sunday. Gallimore and Bohanna were completely invisible. Hill and Osa both had TFLs and QB hits. When the QB you're getting hits on is named Tom Brady one tends to take notice. Bohanna and Gallimore both had "assists." It will be interesting to see how the rotation evolves going forward because at this point it looks like Osa and Hill are our two best interior d-linemen. Osa played the most snaps (36) while Hill played the least (19.) Let's see what happens this Sunday.

I thought Bohanna did a pretty good job clogging the middle. He is not a penetrating type DT so he won't get stats. He was way better than he was last season.

When he was in there there was no running room in the middle. As I posted yesterday, 111 of Fornette's 127 yards were to the right side of the Cowboys defense. The problem was not the DTs (and it has been a long time since I felt this), it was the DEs who were getting pushed inside or they took inside moves. The lack of containment to the right side is what killed them in the running game. If you watched closely the Bucs TEs were blocking the Cowboys DEs. If your TEs can shove the DEs around, like the Bucs TEs were doing to the Cowboys DEs, then there will be room to run outside.

The Cowboys front office tried to sell us that Dorance Armstrong would be fine replacing Randy Gregory. Total nonsense. Gregory made his share of mistakes but he could fight off TE blocks at least.

I think it has been said many times but the Cowboys losing players was not the problem with the offseason. That happens to every team. The problem is Jerry did not sign adequate replacements. He tried to convince us that signed Dante Fowler, who played only 10 snaps, would make up for losing Gregory and that James Washington or someone would make up for losing Amari Cooper. None of his replacements are as good as the players they lost. Thsi is why it was foolish to think the Cowboys would be as good as or better than last year.

Chocolate Lab · Sep 15, 2022

Lol, I didn't know Trysten Hill had a fan club.

kskboys · Sep 15, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
Hill had two solo tackles one for loss and a QB knockdown in 19 snaps. He also should have drawn a rather obvious holding on one of Fournette's long runs because the center pretty much took his jersey completely off or I think Hill makes the tackle for a 2 yard gain. I will go back and rewatch the game at some point to confirm what I thought I saw but my stomach still has not recovered from that putrid performance by the offense.. Maybe I'll just FF through our offensive plays and try to just judge the defense.

Funny crapp. People have decided they hate Hill, so no matter what, they will say he did poorly. I have no idea what's it's like to be that way, to completely rely on one's preconceived notions to evaluate a player's performance.

kskboys · Sep 15, 2022

Creeper said:
I thought Bohanna did a pretty good job clogging the middle. He is not a penetrating type DT so he won't get stats. He was way better than he was last season.

When he was in there there was no running room in the middle. As I posted yesterday, 111 of Fornette's 127 yards were to the right side of the Cowboys defense. The problem was not the DTs (and it has been a long time since I felt this), it was the DEs who were getting pushed inside or they took inside moves. The lack of containment to the right side is what killed them in the running game. If you watched closely the Bucs TEs were blocking the Cowboys DEs. If your TEs can shove the DEs around, like the Bucs TEs were doing to the Cowboys DEs, then there will be room to run outside.

The Cowboys front office tried to sell us that Dorance Armstrong would be fine replacing Randy Gregory. Total nonsense. Gregory made his share of mistakes but he could fight off TE blocks at least.

I think it has been said many times but the Cowboys losing players was not the problem with the offseason. That happens to every team. The problem is Jerry did not sign adequate replacements. He tried to convince us that signed Dante Fowler, who played only 10 snaps, would make up for losing Gregory and that James Washington or someone would make up for losing Amari Cooper. None of his replacements are as good as the players they lost. Thsi is why it was foolish to think the Cowboys would be as good as or better than last year.

The DT's didn't crash down the LOS, so they were part of the problem.

glimmerman · Sep 15, 2022

DeaconMoss said:
Checked statsheet again. No necks snapped.

He must not have played then.

RonnieT24 · Sep 15, 2022

kskboys said:
Funny crapp. People have decided they hate Hill, so no matter what, they will say he did poorly. I have no idea what's it's like to be that way, to completely rely on one's preconceived notions to evaluate a player's performance.

Yeah it's a really weird deal. I can't recall ever wanted to hate a player on my own team. Hell I even rooted for T.O. when he was wearing the Star all the while knowing what an absolute jerk he was off the field. I was even upset when they released him... well for maybe 10-15 seconds anyway..

RonnieT24 · Sep 15, 2022

kskboys said:
The DT's didn't crash down the LOS, so they were part of the problem.

Yeah the Bucs gained 90% of their yardage off tackle left and around left end. Dorance Armstrong got owned. Fowler only played 10 snaps and Sam Williams 6. Gholston played 15 but I would have to go watch where he lined up. I will defend our DTs to some extent because I saw a TON of blatant holds against them that the refs simply refused to call. The one where the center undressed Hill made me throw stuff at the TV. I mean damn.. But I had already accepted that they were not going to call a lot of holdings against the guys protecting Tom Brady unless it was particularly egregious. But they amended that directive to "thou shalt not call any holdings against the guys protecting Tom Brady no matter what." If that trend continues all season teams are going to run us out of the stadium.

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