Twitter: Colin: Nobody has ever been coddled like Dak Prescott

G2 · Sep 23, 2022

Vtwin said:
If you got it, you'd get it.

I believe you!

Cmac · Sep 23, 2022

Hardline said:
No one criticizes Dak on a personal level. All criticism is on the field and it's all valid and irrefutable. But the Dak trolls will defend him like he's paying their bills.

Should some criticism go to KMoore?

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 23, 2022

PAPPYDOG said:

and now lets put that side by side against other QBs....looking at anything in a silo is misrepresenting. lets me the sure future HOFer

plus, its a cowboys topic. as jerry said, if cowboys are on the news, he has done his job. anything cowboys related, gets listeners, viewers and clicks...

if Dak was on the Browns, with similar stats and records, nobody would right one article...

its the cowboys. so its big news no matter what the topic.

Hardline · Sep 23, 2022

Cmac said:
Should some criticism go to KMoore?

Yes

Big D · Sep 23, 2022

ZekeTrain said:
Since 2016 he is 18-24 (. 428) against teams finishing the season with a winning record.

As Parcells liked to say "you are what your record says you are"

Dak's record is below average.

CowboyFrog · Sep 23, 2022

Big D said:

Your trying to reason with people who want Rush to be QB1.....facts and realism are out the window.

Verdict · Sep 23, 2022

CowboyFrog said:
The thing is QB's like Mahomes/ Allen dont come available often at all for every one there is 10 to 20 misses in a 4 year period...so again I'll say if you can upgrade you do but dont kid yourself its not a simple as "Dial a QB". Second Dak is counting 19 mill against the cap and over his career has been much lower..how did this FO handle it for your "Bus Driver if he was less against the cap" theory. When and if Dak does count 40 mill to the cap and we lose heavily the situation will resolve itself for sure, and again i ask do you trust this FO to go get you a better QB?

Whether you trust the front office to find another QB is irrelevant.

cmoney23 said:
Dak is 10th in the league against teams winning records:

Player Total Wins Losses Ties %
Lamar Jackson 16 10 6 0 .625
Patrick Mahomes 16 10 6 0 .625
Tom Brady 121 74 47 0 .611
Jimmy Garoppolo 15 9 6 0 .600
Russell Wilson 59 32 27 0 .542
Marcus Mariota 25 12 13 0 .480
Aaron Rodgers 80 36 43 1 .456
Jared Goff 31 14 17 0 .451
Josh Allen 27 12 15 0 .444
Dak Prescott 42 18 24 0 .428

I'd reminder you all that football is the ultimate team game and most on this list showcase that good organizations build winning teams/QBs.

While that is a fairly large sample size, Dak probably belongs farther down the pecking order than the stats suggest. Dak has had the benefit of playing in the NFCE…AND…. the Cowboys teams he has played for have been better than average teams. He started his career with a Cowboys team that was a SB contender.

Most QBs who are elite get drafted really high and start out on a horrible team. Joe Burrow started out on a horrific team and arguably he is a better QB on his rookie deal than Dak. Herbert looks like he might end up better than Dak if he’s not already. Guys like that started playing with really bad teams.

Guys who are above Dak on this list largely elevate their teams and Dak arguably does not. That’s just being as objective as I can be.

Verdict · Sep 23, 2022

CowboyFrog said:
Your trying to reason with people who want Rush to be QB1.....facts and realism are out the window.

I don’t know about all that. I’m not sure anyone is EXCITED about seeing Rush take over for Dak, but clearly, in some areas Rush seems to potentially be more competent than Dak.

CowboyFrog · Sep 23, 2022

Verdict said:
Whether you trust the front office to find another QB is irrelevant.

While that is a fairly large sample size, Dak probably belongs farther down the pecking order than the stats suggest. Dak has had the benefit of playing in the NFCE…AND…. the Cowboys teams he has played for have been better than average teams. He started his career with a Cowboys team that was a SB contender.

Most QBs who are elite get drafted really high and start out on a horrible team. Joe Burrow started out on a horrific team and arguably he is a better QB on his rookie deal than Dak. Herbert looks like he might end up better than Dak if he’s not already. Guys like that started playing with really bad teams.

Guys who are above Dak on this list largely elevate their teams and Dak arguably does not. That’s just being as objective as I can be.

Which teams have the Cowboys been better than? I mean Josh Allens record against winning teams wasnt good until the team was winning as a SB contender..Marcus Mariota lead a team that Ryan Tannahill took over and it is also a SB favorite over the last couple years..Tom Brady? yeah..Rodgers.again Mahomes? nope KC pretty much known as a SB contender..Must be Lamar..oh wait nop..I know its Jared Goff he got the record on a bad team..wait no now he is on a bad team losing to winning teams...Oooh i know its Jimmy, because everyone thought we would beat the niners last year or maybe thats from the year they went to the SB because he was hurt the next year....

CowboyFrog · Sep 23, 2022

Verdict said:
I don’t know about all that. I’m not sure anyone is EXCITED about seeing Rush take over for Dak, but clearly, in some areas Rush seems to potentially be more competent than Dak.

No he doesnt..not to anyone who knows football, now if he wins every game he plays and drastically improves then yeah I could see it, and who could say anything if that were the case..this last game he made some plays and am i glad because we won a game with QB2...but you have to ignore some glaring throwing problems to come to this..thats a fact. He cant throw a 10 yard out passes were bouncing off defenders We won and I'm glad but that doesnt erase that...you have to erase all of Daks good games and just cherry bad ones to even get them to the same stratosphere.

Verdict · Sep 23, 2022

CowboyFrog said:
No he doesnt..not to anyone who knows football, now if he wins every game he plays and drastically improves then yeah I could see it, and who could say anything if that were the case..this last game he made some plays and am i glad because we won a game with QB2...but you have to ignore some glaring throwing problems to come to this..thats a fact. He cant throw a 10 yard out passes were bouncing off defenders We won and I'm glad but that doesnt erase that...you have to erase all of Daks good games and just cherry bad ones to even get them to the same stratosphere.

I don’t have an emotional view regarding this. Dak is “probably” a better QB than Rush right now, but I think it is a bit naive of you to ignore what is obvious to me.

Dak has the ABILITY to throw a better ball than Rush. Rush tends to throw “ducks”. On the other hand Rush tends to be more consistent at hitting receivers in stride —not behind them like Dak often does. I guess you must believe that throwing the ball behind a receiver is better even though it destroys the route and run after catch.

Dak is worse than Rush at anticipating a recovery coming open. That’s pretty obvious. Right now I would say that Rush is better at seeing the field. And Dak is playing much tighter than Rush is right now. Those are just a few of the things that I see, but I won’t pile on you for fear of hurting your feelings.

cmoney23 · Sep 23, 2022

Verdict said:
While that is a fairly large sample size, Dak probably belongs farther down the pecking order than the stats suggest. Dak has had the benefit of playing in the NFCE…AND…. the Cowboys teams he has played for have been better than average teams. He started his career with a Cowboys team that was a SB contender.

Most QBs who are elite get drafted really high and start out on a horrible team. Joe Burrow started out on a horrific team and arguably he is a better QB on his rookie deal than Dak. Herbert looks like he might end up better than Dak if he’s not already. Guys like that started playing with really bad teams.

Guys who are above Dak on this list largely elevate their teams and Dak arguably does not. That’s just being as objective as I can be.

I'm extremely confused by this comment.

The list I shared is sorted by win% versus teams with a winning record. Dak can only be moved up or down by his performance. This placement is a fact, not an opinion.

I think what's confusing me is you're trying to work opinion into a factual, data-driven metric. It doesn't make sense.

Cowpolk · Sep 23, 2022

G2 said:
Here we go! Some enlightening click bait that some will run with like it matters.

Yea it sucks that Dak has a winning record against all of his opponents

Brax · Sep 23, 2022

DallasEast said:
That is a very interesting conclusion. I am not disagreeing but it should be tested somehow.

One criteria should be, "What does 'hollywood' mean to most people?" Bill Parcells' eleventh commandment began with, "Don't be a celebrity quarterback..." If celebrity equals hollywood, how has Prescott been more of a celebrity than Romo during their respective football careers?

With desperate housewives chasing him around the field, you need to ask.

Section446 · Sep 23, 2022

He speaks the truth, Dak is a joke everywhere but D/FW.

black label · Sep 23, 2022

dak hards need a 300 yard running game bra

88sAndHeartbreak · Sep 23, 2022

Verdict said:
I’m not in the hate Dak camp or the love Dak camp. But here are the facts as I see them:

1. He has been in the league long enough that he is probably not going to improve himself significantly.

2. He is now making $40M per year which was elite top 5 money when it was signed. I don’t care if it’s 7th or 8th now or 10th a year from now. It is elite money.

3. Prescott has beaten bad teams and padded his record against those bad teams.

4. Usually, Dak has disappeared and played poorly against the better teams in the NFL.

5. Dak does not appear to go through his progressions well, doesn’t trust what he sees and routinely throws behind receivers.

6. You can win with Dak, the bus driver, but he must be surrounded with a very good supporting cast. Dak’s contract really hinders providing him that supporting cast.

7. I don’t think we must get rid of Dak, but if we are going to win a SB with Dak we either have to catch lightning in a bottle with almost every draft choice to surround him with his supporting cast, OR he has to be paid in the 15-20 range of QBs instead of top 5.

Dak will never accept 15-20 pay and it unfairly handicaps the team to pay him as elite QB. If we want a SB something has to give.

8. QBs like Dak come available every so often on the free agent market because they are not elite. Garroppolo is probably in the same class of QB that Dak is and he was a backup. Baker Mayfield may also be in that same class, but it’s hard to tell based on the teams he has played for.

Ask yourself would you rather have Dak at $50-55m per year or a guy like Garroppolo or Mayfield and a draft pick throw at the dartboard. You might have a better chance at a SB with the latter.

1. This year Dak makes $40M, the front office had $20M+ in cap space and did nothing.

2. When Dak was making <$1M (rookie contract) the front office neglected key positions of the team.

3. Dak's contract isn't the reason this team doesn't get talent in free agency, its the excuse.

Verdict · Sep 23, 2022

88sAndHeartbreak said:
1. This year Dak makes $40M, the front office had $20M+ in cap space and did nothing.

2. When Dak was making <$1M (rookie contract) the front office neglected key positions of the team.

3. Dak's contract isn't the reason this team doesn't get talent in free agency, its the excuse.

None of this directly deals with the elephant in the room, named Dak.

Verdict · Sep 23, 2022

cmoney23 said:
I'm extremely confused by this comment.

The list I shared is sorted by win% versus teams with a winning record. Dak can only be moved up or down by his performance. This placement is a fact, not an opinion.

I think what's confusing me is you're trying to work opinion into a factual, data-driven metric. It doesn't make sense.

You should read it again. Then think on it a little. Hopefully the point becomes clear to you.

88sAndHeartbreak · Sep 23, 2022

Verdict said:
None of this directly deals with the elephant in the room, named Dak.

Ok, I'll take the bait...

How does what I said not deal with Dak?

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