Lots of speculation RG3 has a torn ACL

Best we can hope for now is that he's ready to go for OTA's....in 2014

If only we could get our number 1 picks back.

Kinda feel like Shanahan took the Porshe out for a test drive, and crashed it without buying the warranty package.

That 14-18 month rehab article has already been edited by the site that put it up. It may be true, but at this point it's just speculation.

All round bad management on the Commanders part. RGIII has a ton of talent, and man that injury would suck if it's true.

It sucks for RGIII, but the Commanders apparently hedged their bet pretty well when they drafted Cousins. He should do fine for a year if RGIII is out.

If it was the ACL, it was probably partially torn to begin with, and they must have known that. Crazy that they let him risk that, no matter how big the games were.

You could tell by the way it buckled that it popped on him and it was going to be ACL.

Manwiththeplan;4949163 said:

That 14-18 month rehab article has already been edited by the site that put it up. It may be true, but at this point it's just speculation.

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yeah noticed that so I guess I can post the whole article as it was written


so here it is... it no longer can be linked as it is no longer there so I hope this is not a rule breaker about articles as it no longer in theory is.



Commanders Await RG3 Knee Injury Results

Posted: Jan 07, 2013 8:59 PM Updated: Jan 07, 2013 8:59 PM

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BREAKING:
Sources close to the Commanders camps say Robert Griffin III has torn his ACL and PCL, and will not be able to play for a minimum of 14-18 months. Stay with 8News for updates.

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- As the Washington Commanders awaited word on Robert Griffin III's health, teammates defended the rookie quarterback's decision to keep playing after reinjuring his right knee.

Griffin also chimed in. He did not appear in the locker room during the two hours it was open to reporters Monday morning, but he offered some thoughts on Twitter.

"Many may question, criticize & think they have all the right answers. But few have been in the line of fire in battle," Griffin tweeted.

The Commanders were expected to announce results of Griffin's MRI later Monday.

Already playing with a heavy black brace in his third game since spraining a lateral collateral ligament, Griffin hurt the knee again when he fell awkwardly while throwing a pass in the first quarter of Sunday's 24-14 playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks.

Griffin stayed in the game, but he was far from his usual self, clearly favoring the knee and unable to run with the world-class speed that helped define his play early in the season.

Then, in the fourth quarter with the Commanders trailing by seven, the knee buckled the wrong way when Griffin tried to field a bad shotgun snap. The Seahawks recovered the fumble deep in Washington territory, setting up a short field goal that helped put the game out of reach. Griffin was done for the evening.

If Griffin had been pulled earlier, the critical turnover might not have happened. And, of course, his knee probably wouldn't be hurt as badly as it is.

"I thank God for perspective and because of that I appreciate the support from everyone. I also appreciate the criticism," Griffin tweeted.

Coach Mike Shanahan said after the game he essentially left the decision for Griffin to keep playing in Griffin's hands, and Griffin said he would probably have defied his coach if ordered to the bench.

"It's a slippery slope, I guess you can say, because you want to help the team," said receiver Pierre Garcon, who faced similar questions this season while dealing with a painful toe injury. "But you want to help yourself in the long run and your career.

"You want to look out for all sides, but it's hard to really know exactly if you're doing the right thing because if you sit out and the team losses, it's like `I could probably have helped.' If you go out there and don't help the team, it's like, `I probably should've sat out.' You've just got to make a decision and live with it."

Shanahan was scheduled to address reporters Monday afternoon, but said after the game that he perhaps should have pulled Griffin sooner.

"It's a very tough decision," Shanahan said Sunday. "You have to go with your gut. You have to go with your gut and I did. I'm not saying my gut is always right, but I've been there before. In different situations, I get to know Robert better as time goes on and I'll know how stubborn he is - probably more so as time goes on. He's a competitor and I'll probably second guess myself. ... In the second half, should you have done it earlier? I think you always do that, especially after you don't win."

Shanahan's take is muddled by contradictory details that have emerged from the game in which Griffin originally hurt the knee last month against the Baltimore Ravens.

The coach said at the time he was told by orthopedist James Andrews on the Commanders sideline that Griffin was cleared to return to the game, but Andrews told USA Today over the weekend that he didn't get a chance to examine the knee during the one play Griffin sat out after the initial injury.

Shanahan explained the discrepancy by saying Andrews gave the OK for Griffin to return just by watching the quarterback run without doing an examination. Either way, the various versions of what happened cast more doubt on the protocol the Commanders use to determine whether someone is fit to keep playing.

The play-hurt dilemma is a factor every weekend in the NFL. Commanders left guard Kory Lichtensteiger had to leave Sunday's game in the first quarter because he could no longer play on a sprained left ankle that kept him out of practice all week.

"I went out there," Lichtensteiger said. "But, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have done it."

Griffin's injury and the playoff loss put a damper on the end of one of the best Commanders seasons in two decades. Washington rallied from a 3-6 start to win the NFC East after four straight last-place finishes. Assuming Griffin's knee will again be fully healthy, the future looks brighter than at any time since the Super Bowl era under coach Joe Gibbs in the 1980s and early 1990s.

"I think people have really learned around here - if you're down by seven, people aren't packing it in," said safety Reed Doughty, wrapping up his seventh season in Washington. "People aren't getting that `Oh, the way things used to be' kind of feeling."

Copyright 2012 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Aggie87;4949165 said:

It sucks for RGIII, but the Commanders apparently hedged their bet pretty well when they drafted Cousins. He should do fine for a year if RGIII is out.

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I never thought I would say it sucks to be NFC East champions, but that first place schedule for next season is looking like a curse right now where as with RGIII it would have been an opportunity.

DanteEXT;4949100 said:

I always thought it was a year. I know there are some cases of faster recovery, but there are cases of players never being the same (though the one I can think of is several years old)

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Well, it depends on the severity.

But, if he tore the ACL and PCL that could render him out for all of 2013 easily. He could possibly recover, but I just wouldn't be shocked that if it's both that are torn, he would be done for at least half of 2013.





YR

Stryker44;4949169 said:

I never thought I would say it sucks to be NFC East champions, but that first place schedule for next season is looking like a curse right now where as with RGIII it would have been an opportunity.

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You'd fit right in as a Cowboys fan.

Back up from the cliff. Cousins looks to be a very apt quarterback. If nothing else, you'll have some decent trade bait by the time Bob returns.

Man, Shanahan really screwed the pooch.

I hate the Commanders but RGIII is a class act and an exciting player to watch. Hope he gets back sooner rather than later.

Idgit;4949167 said:

If it was the ACL, it was probably partially torn to begin with, and they must have known that. Crazy that they let him risk that, no matter how big the games were.

You could tell by the way it buckled that it popped on him and it was going to be ACL.

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It's also possible that he may have partially torn it on the play before the second TD. For sure it wasn't a stable joint by the time he got to his final play.

Stryker44;4949169 said:

I never thought I would say it sucks to be NFC East champions, but that first place schedule for next season is looking like a curse right now where as with RGIII it would have been an opportunity.

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I have been saying this since the Commanders loss.

Since 1999, only 47% of the division winners returned to the postseason the following year. That means if you win the division you are more likely to MISS the playoffs the following year than to make the playoffs.

This year was the most division winners to return to the playoffs since 1999 (6). Other than that, only once did more than 4 division winners return to the postseason since '99 (2003 division winners).

The system of the NFL creates parity. It makes it VERY difficult for almost EVERY division winner to return to the postseason. Between the tougher schedules, worst draft position, worse position on the waiver wire, teams focusing more on you, etc; it is difficult to be the division winner.

Dallas would have gone into the playoffs with all of those injuries and no Dez Bryant and probably no Miles Austin. All to lose and be put in a bad position for 2013.

It's possible to return to the postseason after winning the division, but at this point we don't have the personnel to do it and we need some breaks with better schedule and better draft position to make it work.






YR

kmd24;4949196 said:

It's also possible that he may have partially torn it on the play before the second TD. For sure it wasn't a stable joint by the time he got to his final play.

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What's funny was Sal Paolantonio claiming his knee was getting healthier into the Seattle game.

Watching it on TV when he came out of the tunnel, I could see the knee hurting. It appeared to be hurting at first and then being okay as he kept running. Still, it was only a matter of time before he injured it.

That being said, nothing has been confirmed on the 14-18 month deal. But, if they are going for more tests, it sounds like they want a 2nd opinion and you don't get 2nd opinion's on a torn ACL.





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kmd24;4949196 said:

It's also possible that he may have partially torn it on the play before the second TD. For sure it wasn't a stable joint by the time he got to his final play.

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Didn't they take him back to the locker room after the second TD? How could they not know it wasn't stable?

The only thing I could think of was that they shot it up back in the locker room to get him through the rest of the game...which would be a high-level of negligence.

RG3 was hurting, but it was the hit that sent him to the sidelines that most likely ruptured the ACL. That was a nasty-looking hit.
For all we know, anything before that was just a player playing on a sore knee. Have to admit though, by the 4th quarter he was looking pretty bad. Two plays come to mind well several minutes before he really got hurt.

Chocolate Lab;4949065 said:

I think so too. I watched the Shanahan PC on NFLN and it sounded to me like they're sending him to Andrews hoping it's not torn, but thinking it probably is.

Boy was that stupid of Shanahan yesterday. Why would he do that? I didn't get to see the game live, but it was obvious RG was seriously hurt after that early endzone pass where his knee buckled.

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.......I wasn't ANGRY when he went down but I felt genuine empathy for the kid: Shanahan is a VETERAN NFL coach that's hired to know better in that situation. Players say LOTS of things to stay in a game...so do boxers...it sure as heck doesn't mean you listen to them. This is a colossal screw up by Shanny: an all timer really. He better hope Cousins can keep the train on the rails for however many games he's needed next season. I think he can: especially with that running game. But the bottom line is now RG's knee is compromised and weakened for the rest of his career when it didn't NEED to be. Stupid Shanny.


ONE OTHER QUESTION BOYS: is the right knee he hurt yesterday the SAME knee he hurt in college or was it the left one he tore while at Baylor? I didn't see him much in college: Thanks in advance...

Looks like partial tears to the ACL and LCL



The MRI exam of Commanders quarterback Robert Griffin III’s right knee suggested that Griffin has suffered partial tears of his anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments, according to several people with knowledge of the test results.
Commanders Coach Mike Shanahan said Griffin is scheduled to be examined Tuesday in Pensacola, Fla., by orthopedic surgeon James Andrews to determine whether the test results show new or previous injuries.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...as-partial-tears-of-acl-and-lcl-mri-suggests/

Yakuza Rich;4949198 said:

I have been saying this since the Commanders loss.

Since 1999, only 47% of the division winners returned to the postseason the following year. That means if you win the division you are more likely to MISS the playoffs the following year than to make the playoffs.

This year was the most division winners to return to the playoffs since 1999 (6). Other than that, only once did more than 4 division winners return to the postseason since '99 (2003 division winners).

The system of the NFL creates parity. It makes it VERY difficult for almost EVERY division winner to return to the postseason. Between the tougher schedules, worst draft position, worse position on the waiver wire, teams focusing more on you, etc; it is difficult to be the division winner.

Dallas would have gone into the playoffs with all of those injuries and no Dez Bryant and probably no Miles Austin. All to lose and be put in a bad position for 2013.

It's possible to return to the postseason after winning the division, but at this point we don't have the personnel to do it and we need some breaks with better schedule and better draft position to make it work.






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I hear ya. I'm envious of Seattle and St.Louis right now. They are in the position to build a model that is sustainable for years to come. Also like I said before, the NFC West has gone from where it took 7-9 to win the division 2 years ago to where now there are 3 teams that seem to be doing it the right way. Who ever would have thought.

Couple questions:


1. If its a partial tear, does that cut down on recovery time?

2. If RGIII were to be on the IR for 2013 before the start of the league year, would he still count against the cap?

Everyone keeps bringing up AD's quick recovery. Have you guys seen that dude? Kid is a freak of nature. Pretty sure genetics had something to do with it.

This will be RG3's 2nd torn ACL. I'll be shocked if he's back and ready by next season.