YB: Ten NFL players who should be traded before deadline (Dez mention)

the type of qb Dak is, i dont think he would ever use Dez to justify a high contract
now if he went to Matt Stafford or a elite passer like Romo such as Brees or Brady, he would put up disgusting numbers
because a qb like Stafford will take chances and the others like Brady put the ball exactly where only he can get it
you never know
a guy like Rico might be the dude he likes throwing to
like Rivers throwing to Gates
he throws to Witten but Rico might be that guy

ShiningStar said:

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...cowboys-dak-prescott-a-tale-of-2-completions/

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I disagree with the article. Ball placement had less to do with the outcome than how the DB (or defense in general) played. The supposed bad play occurred halfway through the 2nd quarter. The good play occurred with less than 30 seconds left. Anyone who doesn't think defense play these situations differently is crazy. Coaches tape tells a little different story.

Here is the unsuccessful play:



Here is the successful play:



The DB is more than twice as far away when Bryant catches the ball. Also, in the first picture the DB appears to have more momentum going towards Dez than he does in the 2nd picture. He broke on the ball quicker. Why? Probably because at the end of the half you absolutely do not want anything to get behind you. He played off and played more conservative. He played the route tighter from the start earlier in the quarter and was in better position when Dez caught it.

In the NFL, that's a big difference. For a guy with elite speed, that's the difference between being able to shoestring the guy and having no chance in hell. Dez doesn't have elite speed but his ability to to run after the catch creates a similar difference in ability to bring him down.

DiResta said:

the type of qb Dak is, i dont think he would ever use Dez to justify a high contract
now if he went to Matt Stafford or a elite passer like Romo such as Brees or Brady, he would put up disgusting numbers
because a qb like Stafford will take chances and the others like Brady put the ball exactly where only he can get it
you never know
a guy like Rico might be the dude he likes throwing to
like Rivers throwing to Gates
he throws to Witten but Rico might be that guy

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It's not about "using" Dez. Dez is limited by his own ability. He isn't particularly fast, runs sloppy routes, and the number of routes he runs is far fewer than any 8th year player should have. He relies solely on athleticism. If he were a more polished WR, he'd dominate regardless of what QB he has. Needing a QB like romo, Brady, or Brees to be highly productive means he is the guy who isn't handling his business because any WR can produce with elite QBs.

Hoofbite said:

It's not about "using" Dez. Dez is limited by his own ability. He isn't particularly fast, runs sloppy routes, and the number of routes he runs is far fewer than any 8th year player should have. He relies solely on athleticism. If he were a more polished WR, he'd dominate regardless of what QB he has. Needing a QB like romo, Brady, or Brees to be highly productive means he is the guy who isn't handling his business because any WR can produce with elite QBs.

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i feel that qb that pass a lot, that pass very accurately
like the dudes i mentioned like Romo, very precise and smart
he could put the ball exactly where Dez had better than 50-50 chance, say maybe 60-40 or 70-30 whatever then Dez is very good at getting those. because dudes like Patrick Peterson are just as big and faster
but give Dez that edge and he can make a play. thats his strength
but Dak isnt precise like that, no offense maybe he will be but the elites can put it there over and over
add Romos great knowledge of reading a defense and he knew just what he wanted and could put it there

Dez isn't going anywhere, get over it

superonyx said:

I’m assuming we are talking NFL worth not real life worth because that’s a different debate entirely.

Let’s look at who is paid similar and then I’ll answee your question.

4. Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas: $14 million
5. Cowboys WR Dez Bryant: $14 million
6. Colts WR TY Hilton: $13 million
7. Seahawks WR Doug Baldwin: $11.5 million
8. Chargers WR Keenan Allen: $11.3 million
9. Buccaneers WR Desean Jackson: $11.2 million
10. Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald: $11 million
10. Chiefs WR Jeremy Maclin: $11 million
10. Broncos WR Emmanuel Sanders: $11 million

I say absolutely yes. There isn’t a player on this list that I would trade straight up for Dez Bryant.
Maybe you think Doug Baldwin or Desean Jackson is more valuable than a Dez...we disagree.

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Larry was 13 for 149 in that game, while Dez was 2 for 12.

This year Larry is way more valuable than Dez.

Antonio Brown 13.6M. Dez can't carry his jock.

xwalker said:

Larry was 13 for 149 in that game, while Dez was 2 for 12.

This year Larry is way more valuable than Dez.

Antonio Brown 13.6M. Dez can't carry his jock.

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Dez probably would've been 13 for 149 if he was playing against our secondary....has he had a game that good all year?

Dez is heading towards the end of his contract....Brown is just entering his.

xwalker said:

Larry was 13 for 149 in that game, while Dez was 2 for 12.

This year Larry is way more valuable than Dez.

Antonio Brown 13.6M. Dez can't carry his jock.

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So you cherry pick the best WR in the game who makes more than Dez to try to make your point.

Which receiver on the list would you trade straight up for Dez today...not for 1 game or some other goofy distraction...but real life trade.

Baldwin, Sanders, Hilton?

Now stop this weirdness you have become. You seem knowledgeable enough overall to not be turning yourself into a clown over your Anti Dez rants.
Come on man. Enough.

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So you cherry pick the best WR in the game who makes more than Dez to try to make your point.

Which receiver on the list would you trade straight up for Dez today...not for 1 game or some other goofy distraction...but real life trade.

Baldwin, Sanders, Hilton?

Now stop this weirdness you have become. You seem knowledgeable enough overall to not be turning yourself into a clown over your Anti Dez rants.
Come on man. Enough.

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I would take Butler plus the cap space over Dez. His screw-ups offset his positive plays in most games.

When it takes 13 passes to get him 5 catches, that's a net negative.

Last season the offense was very efficient in the 3 games he missed.

I don't understand why people have blinders on for this one player. I guess they see the few big catches he has and don't care if he drops 9 of 10 as long as the 1 is a big play.

I would love to know the demographic on Dez apologists. I think most of them relate to him in some way like age, etc..

The Dez apologists often roast other players but think Dez does no wrong. I don't get it.

With his contract there shouldn't be any ammo for me criticize him. Instead there is plenty.

rocyaice said:

Dez probably would've been 13 for 149 if he was playing against our secondary....has he had a game that good all year?

Dez is heading towards the end of his contract....Brown is just entering his.

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The Packers defense allowed more points than the Cowboys defense (TWill caused 7 points). That means the Packers defense must be as bad or worse than the Cowboys defense UNLESS Dak is better than Rodgers. Dez was 5 for 52 against that defense and I think it took 13 attempts to get him those 5 catches. In other words, NO, Dez would not go 13/149 against the Cowboys defense.

xwalker said:

I would take Butler plus the cap space over Dez. His screw-ups offset his positive plays in most games.

When it takes 13 passes to get him 5 catches, that's a net negative.

Last season the offense was very efficient in the 3 games he missed.

I don't understand why people have blinders on for this one player. I guess they see the few big catches he has and don't care if he drops 9 of 10 as long as the 1 is a big play.

I would love to know the demographic on Dez apologists. I think most of them relate to him in some way like age, etc..

The Dez apologists often roast other players but think Dez does no wrong. I don't get it.

With his contract there shouldn't be any ammo for me criticize him. Instead there is plenty.

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His last 16 games......... 70/1050/11Td.............how can you complain about that?....... especially since we are a running team and guys like Witten, TWill, Beasley and Butler are all catching passes too

Nightman said:

His last 16 games......... 70/1050/11Td.............how can you complain about that?....... especially since we are a running team and guys like Witten, TWill, Beasley and Butler are all catching passes too

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He has 21 catches on 48 attempts this season.

That projects to 67 of 154. That 64 by itself would look impressive until you see it required 154 passes to get it.

xwalker said:

He has 21 catches on 48 attempts this season.

That projects to 67 of 154. That 64 by itself would look impressive until you see it required 154 passes to get it.

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A lot of that is on Dak....... he was missing high early this year..... either way it is still whining about nonsense....... Dez makes bind g plays...TDs and First Downs and never lets 50/50 balls get intercepted

xwalker said:

I would take Butler plus the cap space over Dez. His screw-ups offset his positive plays in most games.

When it takes 13 passes to get him 5 catches, that's a net negative.

Last season the offense was very efficient in the 3 games he missed.

I don't understand why people have blinders on for this one player. I guess they see the few big catches he has and don't care if he drops 9 of 10 as long as the 1 is a big play.

I would love to know the demographic on Dez apologists. I think most of them relate to him in some way like age, etc..

The Dez apologists often roast other players but think Dez does no wrong. I don't get it.

With his contract there shouldn't be any ammo for me criticize him. Instead there is plenty.

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Butler? As in Brice?

Demographics of Dez “apologist “? Your framing is way off and breaks down any chance of interesting discussions. Although based on your history of non stop repetitive anti Dez rants I doubt you care.
Let’s see...what must I have in common with Dez...hmmmm... I am a 42 year old white man with 3 children ages between 5-15 who holds an Masters degree and a successful career in management. Does this fit into your stereotype in any way?
Sorry..was I supposed to be younger and maybe black? Would that make you more comfortable with putting me into a category you created?

superonyx said:

I’m assuming we are talking NFL worth not real life worth because that’s a different debate entirely.

Let’s look at who is paid similar and then I’ll answee your question.

4. Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas: $14 million
5. Cowboys WR Dez Bryant: $14 million
6. Colts WR TY Hilton: $13 million
7. Seahawks WR Doug Baldwin: $11.5 million
8. Chargers WR Keenan Allen: $11.3 million
9. Buccaneers WR Desean Jackson: $11.2 million
10. Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald: $11 million
10. Chiefs WR Jeremy Maclin: $11 million
10. Broncos WR Emmanuel Sanders: $11 million

I say absolutely yes. There isn’t a player on this list that I would trade straight up for Dez Bryant.
Maybe you think Doug Baldwin or Desean Jackson is more valuable than a Dez...we disagree.

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Glad you aren't making decisions for our team.

T-RO said:

Glad you aren't making decisions for our team.

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Ok..thanks.
Anything productive to add to the conversation or just this gripping and insightful piece of commentary?

You really took this thread to a new level.

Bryant is done in Dallas after this season. No way to trade that contract. He will be released.

xwalker said:

Is he worth what he gets paid?

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I would like to see Dez take a pay cut but i don't think it will ever happen.

ShiningStar said:

If im Dez, id demand a trade. You arent going to win here Dez, you have talent, run like the wind man. Obviously we are not going to build an offense around him, we arent going to put him in position to win, i dont know why this is even a question. I dont know how his agent is not on someones desk demanding a trade.

Obviously Dallas doesnt want to lose him, but i cant find a reason Dallas would want to keep him.

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Dez isn't a great player but he's not a malcontent. He's immature and not a great route runner and wants the ball too much but he's not a bad guy per se.