News: BST: Maligned Garrett Entering Crossroads With Cowboys

Diehardblues said:

Of course and I’d wager those HC had more influence in the talent on those teams.

It’s why Garrett isn’t held as accountable. He’s only cooking up the groceries and why most coaches wouldn’t want to come here. Not any coaches we’d have on our want list.

Being a puppet you recieve less credit and less blame from the boss.

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Good point my friend, I haven't thought of it that way.

I have been looking at and judging Garrett like other NFL head coaches are judged............primarily results based..........but that is wrong

As long as Garrett is a puppet and lets Jerry "run the team and take credit" then his job is safe. Unlike virtually every other NFL head coach, Garrett's job does not rest solely upon the win/loss record of the team and is more rooted in Jerry being "Comfortable" more so than Garrett's actual coaching ability.

Diehardblues said:

Once you accept what Jerry’s agenda is makes it much easier to tolerate this era and less frustrated with our coaching staff and roster cause nothing is going to change like we’d think or hope it should.

This has become all about Jerry’s pursuit to prove he can win without a proven HC who could recieve more credit. It limits our potential and reduced us to a more mediocre football franchise with all the pomp and circumstance with being the wealthiest and most popular .

Jerry thanks everyone for continuing to contribute financially allowing him to follow his passion without more success on the field.

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Maybe the groceries would taste better, if the person cooking had more than one recipe.

Garrett’s problem is he only has one recipe.

DakPresgoat said:

Maybe the groceries would taste better, if the person cooking had more than one recipe.

Garrett’s problem is he only has one recipe.

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I understand but targeting the puppet is avoiding the one controlling the strings.

The only long term solution is digging out the root. Until we do the weed will continue to sprout up like we’ve seen regardless who the coach is.

Spinning the coaching carousel wheel only brings Instant gratification without truly addressing the core issue. And why we’ve seen similar results now with how many different coaches this era. Pick a puppet. Any puppet. I like this puppet.

Diehardblues said:

Of course and I’d wager those HC had more influence in the talent on those teams.

It’s why Garrett isn’t held as accountable. He’s only cooking up the groceries and why most coaches wouldn’t want to come here. Not any coaches we’d have on our want list.

Being a puppet you recieve less credit and less blame from the boss.

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Actually, indications are that Garrett has considerable influence in talent decisions. Do you think it was Jerry that made the decision to spend 1st round picks on the O-line? I doubt it; we'd have gone down the Manziel path for one if it were up to Jerry. Talent assessment isn't JG's issue, it's game planning and management with that talent.

diefree666 said:

By the way when was the last time the boys put together two really good seasons in a row?

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Never. A good year is always followed by 8-8 or worse. It's pathetic.

yeah Jerry is running the team during practice and during the game. How can you judge Garrett when all he does is concentrate on timeouts and challenges.. smh.. don't judge him because he sucks.. just give him a pass because of the "agenda"... yep.. that's it.

theebs said:

he has a daily radio show on espn.

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Didn't quite keep up with him after he stopped writing columns as a Cowboy's beat writer. Didn't care for him. Sure haven't heard anymore about him until now. I just assumed he had gone away.

JustChip said:

Actually, indications are that Garrett has considerable influence in talent decisions. Do you think it was Jerry that made the decision to spend 1st round picks on the O-line? I doubt it; we'd have gone down the Manziel path for one if it were up to Jerry. Talent assessment isn't JG's issue, it's game planning and management with that talent.

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I’d agree Garrett has had some influence more so with his vision how a team should be built but doesn’t have the last word.

Do you think Garrett influenced taking the risk we have in 2nd rounds?

And I never believed Jerry wanted Manziel. He even denied he had any desire to draft a QB that year with Romo several years left. Jerry only expressed interest in case Johnny was a hit so he wouldn’t look like he passed over a talent.

do you think Jerry is running the game plans during the week or during the games..

Diehardblues said:

I’d agree Garrett has had some influence more so with his vision how a team should be built but doesn’t have the last word.

Do you think Garrett influenced taking the risk we have in 2nd rounds?

And I never believed Jerry wanted Manziel. He even denied he had any desire to draft a QB that year with Romo several years left. Jerry only expressed interest in case Johnny was a hit so he wouldn’t look like he passed over a talent.

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Good points.

Captain-Crash said:

do you think Jerry is running the game plans during the week or during the games..

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No , not entirely but there is some input and probably more than we’d like or ever know.

Garrett is a product of Jerry’s dysfunctional football operation. That doesn’t excuse him but obviously Jerry doesn’t hold Garrett completely responsible . It’s all part of having a HC who won’t recieve more credit than him.

My biggest concern is that Jerry will keep Garrett even though he is woefully incompetent because Jerry doesn't want to "look like he was wrong".

He has invested so much into his "Coach in training" that to fire Garrett now would be an admission that he was wrong. I think Jerry would rather have multiple 8-8 seasons than admit he was wrong about Garrett.

I am not going to name names, but I think that is why some posters we all know still refuse to acknowledge they were wrong about Garrett. They have argued for so long and so hard that to admit Garrett is not what they thought he was is a bridge too far. In other words, they are dug in too deep to admit the obvious.

I have way more respect for somebody like Diehardblues that admits Garrett is a puppet, but knows Jerry is not getting rid of him so how do we work around that than some other posters still telling me that Garrett "just needs more time" or "things are looking up" or "stop complaining" or that "you don't win COTY by accident". Yea, right.

the NFL gave him COY so Jerry would never fire him.

Captain-Crash said:

the NFL gave him COY so Jerry would never fire him.

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That's the league conspiracy against us........Goddell's ultimate revenge...........make Jerry keep the Clapper to keep us mediocre forever

Beast_from_East said:

My biggest concern is that Jerry will keep Garrett even though he is woefully incompetent because Jerry doesn't want to "look like he was wrong".

He has invested so much into his "Coach in training" that to fire Garrett now would be an admission that he was wrong. I think Jerry would rather have multiple 8-8 seasons than admit he was wrong about Garrett.

I am not going to name names, but I think that is why some posters we all know still refuse to acknowledge they were wrong about Garrett. They have argued for so long and so hard that to admit Garrett is not what they thought he was is a bridge too far. In other words, they are dug in too deep to admit the obvious.

I have way more respect for somebody like Diehardblues that admits Garrett is a puppet, but knows Jerry is not getting rid of him so how do we work around that than some other posters still telling me that Garrett "just needs more time" or "things are looking up" or "stop complaining" or that "you don't win COTY by accident". Yea, right.

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I support Jason even though he has shortcomings in coaching ability does appear to have had some positive influence on Jerry.

I see Jason as a lesser evil because I don’t have much confidence in the next puppet Jerry would bring in using the rest of our HC this era as a comparison. But I understand those who want to keep spinning the coaching wheel hoping we’ll come up aces.

If I knew who that might be I’d be more interested but we’ve had a couple good Coordinators come in like Wade and Chan with no more success under Jerry. And even with Bill his coaching ability was obvious what he did immediately in 2003 inheriting our lowest point in the Jerry era but that fizzled out with his frustration with Jerry’s meddling. At least Bill left us with a playoff team but without an eye for talent after he left dropped quickly needing another rebuild.

I wish I saw a better alternative but we appear stuck with Jerry and his puppetry which isn’t going to attract a much better HC mainly because Jerry doesn’t want another coach like Jimmy taking more credit if they win. And after Bill no others like him are coming here.

But Jerry does appear to be open to more proven and experienced asst coaches so that is an option to surround Garrett. Ultimately I believe elite talent at key positions is the best means to overcome Jerry, Stephen and Jason. Don’t forget Stephen as he’s a player in this too.

My hope and optimism comes from the talent we have added since Garrett has been HC. We appear to be building a better team and had some success in 2014 and 16. Without either of these I’d have no hope at all. Id like to see what they can do with a few more key pieces .

Garrett’s strength appears to be influencing Jerry in team building which is more of his calling than coaching while he does appear to be somewhat of a motivator keeping the team playing hard despite distractions but he must have all his key talent on the field.

So there are some assets but unfortunately not in his Game Day coaching and where we need more talent and other coaching to assist in overcoming. I just don’t see another way at this time . Hoping for an Absolution from Jerry doesn’t appear a likely solution.

I suppose we could root for another 3 straight seasons of 5-11 to possibly bring about more change but in the end if your in the doom and gloom mode that should be directed more with Jerry since he’s the one who brought in Garrett and all the other puppets who have contributed to this era of mediocracy and dormancy .

Like with any handicap, hindrance or obstacle it’s been my business experience in dealing with these type of owners to find a means to overcome them .

So, I’d suggest we come up with Plan B. I refuse to give up total hope for it makes it very difficult to get into 16 games a year with that attitude.

There’s been nothing more frustrating than Jerrys stranglehold on this team. Garrett is just another product of it. We’re 11 years in now overall with Garrett. He isn’t going anywhere and I suspect there’s a promise in place for more with Garrett down the line in another capacity.

Why else would Garrett have stayed turning down other offers . How else can we explain the extremes Jerry has gone to protect his investment. Jerry’s not giving up on him. Jason is Jerry’s last hope to prove he’s a Football Guy.

MileyDancer said:

Who is Roger Goodall?

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And Dan Prescott.

GenoT said:

“It's hard to believe Jerry will keep Garrett without a deep playoff run next season.”

No it’s not.

Jerry turns 76yo this July. If 2018 is another mediocre season, he doesn’t want to start over again in 2019, at age 77, with a new HC (presumably, meaning a whole new staff/system), while having to admit that, after 8 full seasons, he was proven wrong about Jason Garrett.

Barring a complete team-meltdown, Jerry Jones will bend over backwards to keep JG as his HC.

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Man I wish you were wrong, but your probably right. More and more I believe Jerry doesn’t really care about winning Championahips as much as being center stage in the biggest disfunctional show in the NFL. Garrett is the main problem, but Jerry allows it.

Captain-Crash said:

the NFL gave him COY so Jerry would never fire him.

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that is a painfully shrewd insight,,,
& pretty hilarious, also.

JustChip said:

I get that you believe that the team and coaching as it is currently constructed would continue the 1 and done. However, my point is that they haven't gone 12-4 for 3 consecutive years (hell, they haven't done it 2 consecutive years) since 1993-1995. So, in order to go 12-4 for 3 consecutive years, the team, including coaches, would have to be on par with the 1993-1995 teams that appeared in 3 straight NFCC, winning 2 and winning 2 SB. So, if the team and coaching can do something that hasn't been done in 22 years, they can and would also not be 1 and done. It's just stands to reason.

I'm not making a case that will happen, nor am I making a case for keeping the coaching staff. I'm simply rebutting the assertion that 4-12 next year is preferable to 12-4 for the next 3 years. It just makes no sense because logic and history says they would not go 1 and done those years and would likely play in a Super Bowl if they went 12-4 for 3 straight years.

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I mean, I don't mean no disrespect but Dungy and Peyton won like a minimum 12 games something like 7 years in a row or close to that. They got over that Patriot hump in 2006, I credit them for that, but their sustained superior regular season dominance did not amount but to one trophy. They lost the other opportunity.

Slightly off topic but maybe not so much, Baseball's Atlanta Braves won their division like 15 years in a row or very similar. They hoisted one trophy.

Even look at the NBA's Stockton and Malone led Utah Jazz if you are familiar.

Then you get the piece of crap Giants with their 9-7 6 seed squad of 2007, and equally dominant 10-6 team (sarcasm on)of 2011 and they manage to fluke their way to 2 trophies cuz they had dominant defensive lines.

The Patriots are the only ones who truly support the correlation of regular season success to ultimate prize winning. And guess what, they lost to the Giants in the Bowl twice and once even as an undefeated team!(Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!) Sorry.

I guess the Steelers get an honorable mention.

Packers and Seahawks have had their recent windows as well while only managing one trophy apiece.

Didn't mean nothing personal, just thought it bears mentioning that these days, with the exception of hoodie and Tom, the other 11 playoff participants from year to year, varies greatly.

Pitt, Seattle and Green Bay "had" demonstrated some playoff consistency of late but with only Pitt continuing the trend this year.