Adult Language Jason Garrett is soft and only a clapper?

Chocolate Lab said:

Again, LOL. I guess you're one of those people who think if we don't have Pro Bowl players in their primes at every position, poor Jason is so disadvantaged.

Sometimes I think some Cowboys fans don't ever bother to look around the league at other rosters. Even the best teams have some holes in the cap era.

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TheSkaven said:

I wrote this in another thread as well, but I'm going to paste it here too.

Garrett IS the Dallas Cowboys; almost as much as the Jones family. He played quarterback for the team. He has been a coach with the team for 11 years. His father was a scout for Jerry for years (and famously was the strongest lobbiest for drafting Randy Moss - Jerry didn’t listen).

Barring an absolute catastrophe, Garrett isn’t going ANYWHERE. And this team has deep, young talent, so despite the wishes of some of the haters, a catastrophe isn’t going to happen.

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Haimerej said:

Ahem...





And those players were 1-7.



Then don't be sold. It's ok to disagree. I actually think this team is headed in a good direction at this moment. They have a solid group of young talent. It's time for results, though.

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Haimerej said:

That 49er defense wasn't made with bottom dwellers. Nice teams aren't good teams. If you can't see that the team literally had to be overhauled, then we'll just disagree.

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TexasFrog said:

ALL the coaches hired AROUND JG with similar tenure. How much clearer did I need to be. When would 2003 be close to 2011? What I said was truth.

Great!!! We will see

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America's Cowboy said:

Check out the video in the article. Stunner.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jason-garrett-mauls-defense-in-latest-leak-of-all-or-nothing/
via cbssports

Who would have thunk?

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America's Cowboy said:

Check out the video in the article. Stunner.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jason-garrett-mauls-defense-in-latest-leak-of-all-or-nothing/
via cbssports

Who would have thunk?

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Idgit said:

It's a safe bet he at least gets to play out the current contract, yeah.

This team is actually pretty good right now. I don't understand why everybody's so upset about everything, honestly. There are lots of ways to improve it, and lots of interesting young players to continue to develop, so there's no good reason for feeling hopeless.

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TexasFrog said:

The 49ers were considered the worst team in the league and hadn't been good since 2002. Why would they be richer in talent than a team that was 11-5 a year before? That is just fudging numbers. Harbaugh made a difference.

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Idgit said:

I've never been a fan of the Garrett/Landry comparisons. About the only relevant point is that Landry was given substantial time to build his team and that that's a luxury a lot of coaches have never had.

But the Joneses have been very good to Garrett in terms of giving him time to put his staff and his team together, so Jason really has no right to complain on that front.

From my perspective--and I know it's a minority opinion on the board right now--Garrett took a long time to build the team into a contender. He did it under some somewhat difficult circumstances (our cap situation wasn't good, and the CBA dropped the salary cap for a few years). He was slow to assemble a complete staff, and he made some legitimate game management mistakes along the way. But from 2014 on, he's had a system and a team capable fo competing in the NFC.

Pointing out that our team--like every other team in the league over an 8 year span--has had a handful of really good players doesn't mean anything. It's what the team hasn't had that matters. And our team has outperformed most teams during that span, anyway. Where we fall short is when we have to play other good teams in the playoffs.

I don't know that Garrett is actually the guy to get us over that hump. He's got his own limitations, but mostly he's up against an ownership culture that makes things harder than it needs to be a lot of times.

I do wish the tone when it comes to discussing the coaching around here were more rational. The 'Garrett is only a clapper' and 'Rod Marinelli doesn't understand defense' stuff makes it hard to engage seriously in the topic. We've got a 10-11 win team or so. We've had one for a couple of years now. It's spanned two different QBs and a lot of different players. It's not an accident. It's not in spite of the coaches. It's certainly not because the organization is overcoming that deficiency by loading the roster with talent. The team and the staff are 'pretty good.' Trying to become 'really good.' I'd like to see them try by making the talent on defense better.

We've got two years to see it. If not, the HC, and probably the QB, will be blown up and we'll get to see Jerry try his hand at a ground-up rebuild again. That should make everybody here happy. For about a week.

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America's Cowboy said:

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lothos05 said:

Just looking at record alone - that record vs. winning teams (or teams with a .500 record or better) needs to improve in the regular season as well.

Over Garrett's tenure, Dallas is 25-44 vs teams that are .500 or better.

If we take a look at the line of demarcation - 2014, they are 17-20 (16-13 with starting QB). It's much improved over the 8-24 record from 2010-2013 but needs to get better. By comparison (at least from that article that was posted stating the Dallas wins 71% of their games with its starting QB since 2014), the team ahead of Dallas is 27-8.

To add, another area that has improved where I believe it's important is finishing the season. From 2010-2013, Dallas was 8-11 in December/January. It's reversed now being 11-7 (10-3 sticking to the starting QB record since 2014 where they could only manage a 1-4 record with the back-ups in 2015).

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gp_cowpolk said:

Did I hit 6 keystrokes or just 5 This is an HP keyboard the most powerful keyboard in the world do ya feel lucky punk well do ya

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gp_cowpolk said:

Jason Garrett's cat

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Idgit said:

. To me, it's pretty obvious when you look at the data that the defense overall and the defensive breakdowns in the playoffs in particular are what's getting us beat. I don't see opposing coaches pulling the wool over anybody's eyes. I just see great QBs with too much time to throw and a secondary that can't take the ball away enough.

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DallasCowboys2080 said:

It's been a very loooooong time since the Cowboys had a defense that scared anyone. Why? Team has been offensive centric for awhile. Does Jason Garrett play into this?

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Idgit said:

Thanks for the numbers.

I think that's where the rubber meets the road for a lot of fans who don't like Garrett. His teams beat the teams they're supposed to beat, but tend to struggle against legitimately good teams. On the one hand, that's expected (good teams are good for a reason). It's also consistent and what you'd like to see in terms of the pattern of winning for a team you're building. The question is, why haven't we been able to beat the best teams at a higher rate?

Everybody knows I look at what we've done on defense and see the whiffs on players like Claiborne and Gregory and Jaylon, and look at what we don't do in FA (Hitchens, Weddle, Zack Brown) and instead try to get lucky with long shots on players like Hardy or R. McClain and conclude we're spending too little on that side of the ball in terms fo salary dollars and premium draft resources. Others look at it and say it's a coaching problem. To me, it's pretty obvious when you look at the data that the defense overall and the defensive breakdowns in the playoffs in particular are what's getting us beat. I don't see opposing coaches pulling the wool over anybody's eyes. I just see great QBs with too much time to throw and a secondary that can't take the ball away enough.

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